Brexit: Why vote Leave
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Bram van Kampen wrote:
Michael Farrage admitted as much when he stated that the money mentioned on the busses that could be better spent on the NHS
Farage never made that statement in the first place, it was Boris, so he had nothing to admit. And we know Boris used the gross rather than net contribution figure. But Boris is a politician, who jumped on the bandwaggon at the last minute, Farage isnt. 1) I said control of immigration, not no immigration. We will of course continue to let in people who want to work, but we will be able to keep out criminals and scroungers. And refugees from outside the EU have everything to do with being part of the EU!!!!! Eurocrats, and Merkel welcomed them in, and then dictated how many we are to take!!!! You accuse others of lying, and then lie yourself! 2) 17 billion is not a drop in the ocean. At the height of the financial crisis we were QEing to the tune of 50 billion a year to save the economy. 3) I said a 'sense' of self determination. Whether or not people in fact have any more control over their lives is questionable, but they will feel that they do. 4) What has the Irish border got to do with whether a trade deal suits the UK or not? It has nothing to do with it. It is to do with the trade deal we have with the EU. If you think the sentiments of religious idiots in Ireland are a factor in determining the future of Britain's trade you are wrong. And in any case as we saw last week the Real IRA are planting bombs anyway, even without a hard border, so in fact the state of the border makes no difference at all and the backstop guarantees nothing. You are deluding yourself,. Look at the facts. Look, what ever gripes you have about what happened 800 years ago dont you think it is best to look to the future? That is where we are heading after all.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
failure of thought
At least I had a thought, even if it was a failure, all of your posts show no thought whatsoever.
How does it feel to receive enlightenment then by someone with 'no thought'? Pretty galling I would imagine.
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How does it feel to receive enlightenment then by someone with 'no thought'? Pretty galling I would imagine.
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Well, I started a thread earlier, I am a remainer What are the arguments in favour of Leaving the EU. I can see None but Unicorns
Bram van Kampen
I'm an American. I don't have a dog in this fight.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
Care to explain that?
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Care to explain that?
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Oh, I thought for a moment you were going to talk about 'max fac' (logistics). It is an interesting idea.
Mark Parity wrote:
completely make an ass of yourself and laugh it off to realise that life isn’t so bad after all
Been doing that for a long time :)
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Sometimes, all you need to do is completely make an ass of yourself and laugh it off to realise that life isn’t so bad after all.
Oh, I thought for a moment you were going to talk about 'max fac' (logistics). It is an interesting idea.
Mark Parity wrote:
completely make an ass of yourself and laugh it off to realise that life isn’t so bad after all
Been doing that for a long time :)
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Well, I started a thread earlier, I am a remainer What are the arguments in favour of Leaving the EU. I can see None but Unicorns
Bram van Kampen
Based on Tusk's recent comments hell suddenly looks a bit more appealing. Just imagine what heaven will be like with him and his pals organising everything for us Europeans.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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Well, I started a thread earlier, I am a remainer What are the arguments in favour of Leaving the EU. I can see None but Unicorns
Bram van Kampen
Yeeeeeaaaaaah!.... Unicoooooorns!
BREAKING FAKE NEWS: Trump told the truth!
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Bram van Kampen wrote:
Michael Farrage admitted as much when he stated that the money mentioned on the busses that could be better spent on the NHS
Farage never made that statement in the first place, it was Boris, so he had nothing to admit. And we know Boris used the gross rather than net contribution figure. But Boris is a politician, who jumped on the bandwaggon at the last minute, Farage isnt. 1) I said control of immigration, not no immigration. We will of course continue to let in people who want to work, but we will be able to keep out criminals and scroungers. And refugees from outside the EU have everything to do with being part of the EU!!!!! Eurocrats, and Merkel welcomed them in, and then dictated how many we are to take!!!! You accuse others of lying, and then lie yourself! 2) 17 billion is not a drop in the ocean. At the height of the financial crisis we were QEing to the tune of 50 billion a year to save the economy. 3) I said a 'sense' of self determination. Whether or not people in fact have any more control over their lives is questionable, but they will feel that they do. 4) What has the Irish border got to do with whether a trade deal suits the UK or not? It has nothing to do with it. It is to do with the trade deal we have with the EU. If you think the sentiments of religious idiots in Ireland are a factor in determining the future of Britain's trade you are wrong. And in any case as we saw last week the Real IRA are planting bombs anyway, even without a hard border, so in fact the state of the border makes no difference at all and the backstop guarantees nothing. You are deluding yourself,. Look at the facts. Look, what ever gripes you have about what happened 800 years ago dont you think it is best to look to the future? That is where we are heading after all.
Well, Point 1. Not Entirely True. The fact is that countries like Italy and Greece took the brunt of a crisis, they could ill afford to take. I would consider it reasonable that the UK absorbs a share of that outfall. Furthermore, those refugees might look dirty exhausted and desperate, it was also the cream of society. Doctors Engineers, etc. The poor in Syria simply had no resources to make it that far. Those people would have added to the national wealth here. Point 2. If that is your point, I will not argue it. Point 3. That is merely how a point is represented to the great unwashed. Nothing to do with actual Politics. Point 4. The Irish border has to do with the entire leave project. In fact, it is Absolutely and Centrally to it! I do not know how old you are, hence I do not know what you remember, or have been told about the conflict that played here in Northern Ireland up to 25 years ago. Establishing any form of physical border here on the Island of Ireland will more than likely re-ignite that conflict. That is not a threat, not a prediction, but a fear! When that re-ignites, it will not be limited to Northern Ireland, but, to renewed Bomb Attacks in Manchester and London. I also think it best to look for the future, and forget the last 800 years. Unfortunately, I do not, and cannot speak for the idiots that would start such war, simply, because I am not part of that crowd. However, living amongst them, I know their way of thinking. Regards
Bram van Kampen
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Well, getting rid of a super privileged gold member will certainly reduce the tensions within the club.
Well, I Agree with you The Entirety of western Europe was occupied by Napoleon, who introduced the Pax Napoleon. It did away with city kingdoms, and in effect, the entire feudal system. He introduced a uniform and strictly rule based system of legal administration throughout western Europe. When after the defeat of Napoleon at Waterloo the 'Ancient Regime' returned, they inherited an efficient system of Civil Administration, tax collection, etc. They were not going to throw that out, they were going to use that, which the did. The EU without Britain comprises largely of these countries The UK missed out on that, by winning the war with Napoleon. They are as my father would have called it: "Always Crosswise in the bed". General 'De Gaule' could see that, and gave many a veto to the accession of the UK to what was then the EEG, on the grounds that the UK National Psyche was unsuitable for membership. The Republic Of Ireland (ROI) joined when the UK Joined. They had effectively no choice. The ROI has since independence been used by the UK as a vassal state, providing cheap labour. It was in a Backwater, Not joining would have meant to be in a Backwater behind a backwater Joining the EU brought the ROI suddenly enormous benefits. Whilst Margaret Tatcher was complaining about her EU Contribution, ROI was receiving billions in structural funds, to build a 21st century road and rail network. This transformed the country. By the latest poll, the Leave Vote would be 6%. Regards,
Bram van Kampen
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I'm an American. I don't have a dog in this fight.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Well, You have a Trump to Fight. Same Target, Different Country, Different Rules, Same Principles: Populism, the bad underbelly the greeks feared about democracy!
Bram van Kampen
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Well, Point 1. Not Entirely True. The fact is that countries like Italy and Greece took the brunt of a crisis, they could ill afford to take. I would consider it reasonable that the UK absorbs a share of that outfall. Furthermore, those refugees might look dirty exhausted and desperate, it was also the cream of society. Doctors Engineers, etc. The poor in Syria simply had no resources to make it that far. Those people would have added to the national wealth here. Point 2. If that is your point, I will not argue it. Point 3. That is merely how a point is represented to the great unwashed. Nothing to do with actual Politics. Point 4. The Irish border has to do with the entire leave project. In fact, it is Absolutely and Centrally to it! I do not know how old you are, hence I do not know what you remember, or have been told about the conflict that played here in Northern Ireland up to 25 years ago. Establishing any form of physical border here on the Island of Ireland will more than likely re-ignite that conflict. That is not a threat, not a prediction, but a fear! When that re-ignites, it will not be limited to Northern Ireland, but, to renewed Bomb Attacks in Manchester and London. I also think it best to look for the future, and forget the last 800 years. Unfortunately, I do not, and cannot speak for the idiots that would start such war, simply, because I am not part of that crowd. However, living amongst them, I know their way of thinking. Regards
Bram van Kampen
Bram van Kampen wrote:
I would consider it reasonable that the UK absorbs a share of that outfall
We didnt invite them in so why should we? This is one of the reasons we are leaving the EU, Merkel and Junkers do NOT run this country! You can be slaves to them if you like, we wont be. And no, the Irish border is not central to Brexit and any trade deal we have with the EU. It will be a border with a foreign country, with some trade agreement. That is it. It is not central to anything in the minds of people here, believe me.
Bram van Kampen wrote:
onflict that played here in Northern Ireland
Invaded by Cromwell, then by William of Orange, part of the UK till what was it, 1919, when it was partitioned along political/religious lines. Protestant loyalists in the 60s are lining Catholics in NI, British Troops sent in to protect the Catholics, welcomed as heroes at first by them, the IRA turn this around with a series of attacks, culminating in the Good Friday agreement, and a singles government spanning both countries. The IRA all go from being terrorists to heroes, even Mc Guninnes is applauded in the hose of commons (like Mandella), but some arent happy, call themselves the Real IRA and keep on planting bombs, as they did a week ago. How does that sum it up for you? So, anyway,
Bram van Kampen wrote:
re-ignite that conflict
yeah, there are still bombs going off, so so what,hard or soft, there are religious wankers on both sides looking to stir up the shit, as religious wankers always do. But put it this way, the future of Britains relationship with the world will not be determined by a bunch of religious wankers. You can be sure of that.
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Well, You have a Trump to Fight. Same Target, Different Country, Different Rules, Same Principles: Populism, the bad underbelly the greeks feared about democracy!
Bram van Kampen
I support Trump.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
Well, I Agree with you The Entirety of western Europe was occupied by Napoleon, who introduced the Pax Napoleon. It did away with city kingdoms, and in effect, the entire feudal system. He introduced a uniform and strictly rule based system of legal administration throughout western Europe. When after the defeat of Napoleon at Waterloo the 'Ancient Regime' returned, they inherited an efficient system of Civil Administration, tax collection, etc. They were not going to throw that out, they were going to use that, which the did. The EU without Britain comprises largely of these countries The UK missed out on that, by winning the war with Napoleon. They are as my father would have called it: "Always Crosswise in the bed". General 'De Gaule' could see that, and gave many a veto to the accession of the UK to what was then the EEG, on the grounds that the UK National Psyche was unsuitable for membership. The Republic Of Ireland (ROI) joined when the UK Joined. They had effectively no choice. The ROI has since independence been used by the UK as a vassal state, providing cheap labour. It was in a Backwater, Not joining would have meant to be in a Backwater behind a backwater Joining the EU brought the ROI suddenly enormous benefits. Whilst Margaret Tatcher was complaining about her EU Contribution, ROI was receiving billions in structural funds, to build a 21st century road and rail network. This transformed the country. By the latest poll, the Leave Vote would be 6%. Regards,
Bram van Kampen
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Bram van Kampen wrote:
I would consider it reasonable that the UK absorbs a share of that outfall
We didnt invite them in so why should we? This is one of the reasons we are leaving the EU, Merkel and Junkers do NOT run this country! You can be slaves to them if you like, we wont be. And no, the Irish border is not central to Brexit and any trade deal we have with the EU. It will be a border with a foreign country, with some trade agreement. That is it. It is not central to anything in the minds of people here, believe me.
Bram van Kampen wrote:
onflict that played here in Northern Ireland
Invaded by Cromwell, then by William of Orange, part of the UK till what was it, 1919, when it was partitioned along political/religious lines. Protestant loyalists in the 60s are lining Catholics in NI, British Troops sent in to protect the Catholics, welcomed as heroes at first by them, the IRA turn this around with a series of attacks, culminating in the Good Friday agreement, and a singles government spanning both countries. The IRA all go from being terrorists to heroes, even Mc Guninnes is applauded in the hose of commons (like Mandella), but some arent happy, call themselves the Real IRA and keep on planting bombs, as they did a week ago. How does that sum it up for you? So, anyway,
Bram van Kampen wrote:
re-ignite that conflict
yeah, there are still bombs going off, so so what,hard or soft, there are religious wankers on both sides looking to stir up the shit, as religious wankers always do. But put it this way, the future of Britains relationship with the world will not be determined by a bunch of religious wankers. You can be sure of that.
Unfortunately, the future of the UK and the world is for now being determined by religious wankers in Northern Ireland, and, also from extremists further afield. Also within the conservative Party, a party within a party, the ERG group. These fascists should all be hung from the next available tree or lamppost.
Bram van Kampen
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Unfortunately, the future of the UK and the world is for now being determined by religious wankers in Northern Ireland, and, also from extremists further afield. Also within the conservative Party, a party within a party, the ERG group. These fascists should all be hung from the next available tree or lamppost.
Bram van Kampen
The Real IRA< who planted the bomb recently are from the south. DOnt try to absolve the role of religious nutters in the south from this. Be fair. Be honest. Mogg is not a fascist. Dont be ridiculous. He is actualy a Catholic. You might like him. :)