The Concept of the human Soul is a religious concept, which has no basis in fact, and does not exist
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Anything that is scientifically approached is falsifiable provided new information. I don't care how fundamental it is, nor does science. Any "scientific theory" that is not falsifiable in the face of new information is simply not a scientific theory. In the case of quantum physics, they're often predicated on mathematical constructs that fit the circumstances. Again, not a quantum physicist so I can't say which ones that is the case with, but that's also why I don't wander around full of certainty about parallel realities where differences are measured in the spin and strangeness of quarks. Any scientist that "believes" a scientific theory is either using shorthand to say that it has not yet been falsified, or has the same basic disconnect between fact and belief that so many people in this community are demonstrating.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor
there is a brilliant summary of the current state of affairs in fundamental science: [Shut up and calculate](https://www.queensu.ca/connect/grad/files/2015/02/Dibujo20140531-david-mermin-shut-up-and-calculate.png) The problem is that we may never be able to obtain the necessary experimental information to prove one way or another the current theories. The infinite parallel realities are just a hint of the desperation for some interpretation that doesn't contradict itself.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
Faith is believing in something that can't be seen. You believe what science teaches you without actually verifying the results yourself, which means you are taking their word for it on faith.
So...science is a "their"? No, I am guilty of having faith in scientists, which is a fundamentally different thing. As a discipline, science is not predicated on faith.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor
Nathan Minier wrote:
I am guilty of having faith in scientists,
Exactly.
Nathan Minier wrote:
science is not predicated on faith.
Exactly
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:
It is true that over the human history the main explanations of the origin of the 'soul' came from religions and other philosophical materials, but it is still true that we have a - rather complex - part of our existence we do not understand...
There's no need to make up a story to fill the gaps. After dissecting, we never found a soul. When studying bacteria, we did not find a soul. It has as much chance at existing in your body as a nuclear fission-reactor existing in your body, and equal the amount of proof.
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Come on! What have you read?! Try and read my comment this time...
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
I do not believe anyone,
I never asked if you believed a person. :doh: Geez, you can't seem to follow anything.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
I damned sure I don't have any kids.
Thank goodness. The fact that you can't pass on this crazy notion of "I don't believe anything" is good for the rest of society.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
evolution is fact
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ZurdoDev wrote:
I never asked if you believed a person. :doh: Geez, you can't seem to follow anything.
Anyone also includes groups. So again, a non-victory.
ZurdoDev wrote:
:laugh:
You, my dear friend, are being ignorant.
Many scientists and philosophers of science have described evolution as fact and theory, a phrase which was used as the title of an article by paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould in 1981. He describes fact in science as meaning data, not absolute certainty but "confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent". A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of such facts. The facts of evolution come from observational evidence of current processes, from imperfections in organisms recording historical common descent, and from transitions in the fossil record. Theories of evolution provide a provisional explanation for these facts.[1]
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Soul has nothing to do with religion. Soul describes all the things we do not understand inside the human being we are, and for that it is only a word, that you can replace... It is true that over the human history the main explanations of the origin of the 'soul' came from religions and other philosophical materials, but it is still true that we have a - rather complex - part of our existence we do not understand... And no! We do not know better than a few thousands years before, what it is and what made of, and what for... As for today the most scientific explanation of the 'soul' is as good - or bad - as any, a religion came up with... The day someone will actually understand and explain it, the sticker 'Machine Learning' will turn into something real... And that one will became a deity in large parts of the world... :-)
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018
Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:
Soul describes all the things we do not understand inside the human being we are, and for that it is only a word, that you can replace...
So where does that lack of understanding go when we die? If it just disappears, does that mean that there is more understanding after someone has died, at least in relative measure? Does it mean that the dumber the deceased person was, the better off the world is after his death? Or from the other end of the line: If you give birth to several kids, does that dumb down the world with lack of understanding, compared to living your life without having your own children?
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Well Folks We all write programs. The question is: where do your efforts go, when halfway through a debug, your system locks up, and, the only way out is to re-start your computer. Your efforts evaporated, and, increased the entropy of the universe. The Human brain is an incredibly complex computer, which we have not yet mastered to fully understand. It is certainly not Binary. It has it's own system of messaging and information storage. We do not (yet) understand the precise details of the How, but, we can live with the concept. That magnificent but Ill understood Computer runs a program, that gives us our self awareness, our agency to make decisions, and, outside of our awareness, runs the power plant to keep us alive, the digestive system, etc. The concept of Information Technology is relatively New. Until recently, the concept of life with agency could only be explained by means of a Divine Spark of Life, given out by a God of local choice. Furthermore, that imagined spark of life would be eternal, and, Life should should go on somewhere after the demise of the body. A Heaven or Hell, dependent on the religion one practices. The concept of an 'Hereafter' goes back thousands of years. (and as Soul that somehow lives on beyond death) Well I would state that there is no such thing as a soul. When an individual dies, ultimately the Brain is Shut Down, and the information contained therein, goes to increase the enthrophy of the universe. The Concept of a Soul is a medieval construct to explain the things that at the time could not be understood. I think we are in a position to know better now. I for one am not afraid of dying. I will simply cease to exist. This has nothing to do with believing, it has to do with Knowing.
Bram van Kampen
Bram van Kampen wrote:
I for one am not afraid of dying. I will simply cease to exist.
That reflects my basic belief as well. But then I sometimes ask myself (and even others): If I am wrong, would be any great loss to me? Harp music for an eternity - I guess I'd be happy to avoid that. Some old fellow demanding that I surrender and kneel down, obeying him forever. Being told which sounds are forbidden to utter. Which food I cannot eat. Which partners I cannot have. Which thoughts I am not allowed to have. Which pleasures I am not allowed to have ... Sorry, you Christians: I do not find it attractive at all. Some other afterlives may be more attractive. I guess I'd prefer the Norse Valhalla to the world of that brute emperor of the Biblical afterlife!
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ZurdoDev wrote:
I never asked if you believed a person. :doh: Geez, you can't seem to follow anything.
Anyone also includes groups. So again, a non-victory.
ZurdoDev wrote:
:laugh:
You, my dear friend, are being ignorant.
Many scientists and philosophers of science have described evolution as fact and theory, a phrase which was used as the title of an article by paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould in 1981. He describes fact in science as meaning data, not absolute certainty but "confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent". A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of such facts. The facts of evolution come from observational evidence of current processes, from imperfections in organisms recording historical common descent, and from transitions in the fossil record. Theories of evolution provide a provisional explanation for these facts.[1]
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
He describes fact in science as meaning data, not absolute certainty
Yes, I understand that science has bastardized the meaning of the word fact. I don't fall for it. I have my own brain and came make my own decisions.
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:
It is true that over the human history the main explanations of the origin of the 'soul' came from religions and other philosophical materials, but it is still true that we have a - rather complex - part of our existence we do not understand...
There's no need to make up a story to fill the gaps. After dissecting, we never found a soul. When studying bacteria, we did not find a soul. It has as much chance at existing in your body as a nuclear fission-reactor existing in your body, and equal the amount of proof.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
After dissecting, we never found a soul. When studying bacteria, we did not find a soul.
Well that settles it. If you can't find it, it must not exist. :-D
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Nathan Minier wrote:
faith and science
Ironically, you have faith in science. :-D Faith is believing in something that can't be seen. You believe what science teaches you without actually verifying the results yourself, which means you are taking their word for it on faith. We ALL use faith every day in all that we do. It's not a bad thing nor just a religious thing.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
You believe what science teaches you without actually verifying the results yourself
Ah, the #1 bullshit from religious people to try to convince us that science is faith. I look around me, I see science doings everywhere. As for God, no sign.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
You believe what science teaches you without actually verifying the results yourself
Ah, the #1 bullshit from religious people to try to convince us that science is faith. I look around me, I see science doings everywhere. As for God, no sign.
Very Large Brain wrote:
he #1 bullshit from religious people to try to convince us that science is faith.
Nope. Once again your biased mind has deceived you. I never once said science is faith. That's pure stupidity.
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Very Large Brain wrote:
he #1 bullshit from religious people to try to convince us that science is faith.
Nope. Once again your biased mind has deceived you. I never once said science is faith. That's pure stupidity.
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You talked about faith in science in a previous. What were you meaning then?
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You talked about faith in science in a previous. What were you meaning then?
Very Large Brain wrote:
You talked about faith in science in a previous. What were you meaning then?
You quoted a very simple straightforward sentence of mine and you don't understand? Here is what I said earlier, "
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you have faith in science.
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You believe what science teaches you without actually verifying the results yourself, which means you are taking their word for it on faith. We ALL use faith every day in all that we do. It's not a bad thing nor just a religious thing.
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Very Large Brain wrote:
You talked about faith in science in a previous. What were you meaning then?
You quoted a very simple straightforward sentence of mine and you don't understand? Here is what I said earlier, "
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you have faith in science.
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You believe what science teaches you without actually verifying the results yourself, which means you are taking their word for it on faith. We ALL use faith every day in all that we do. It's not a bad thing nor just a religious thing.
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[Faith | Definition of Faith by Merriam-Webster](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/faith) Outside the context of religion, it says that "faith" is "firm belief in something for which there is no proof". When I was studying science, professors encouraged us to avoid a firm belief, that science is what we know so far, and that theories could be proved wrong. It happened in the past, and probably still happening nowadays. So, no, science is not based on faith. It is not because I cannot experiment something myself that I have faith in it. But I will certainly not let a science belief rule my life based on some science fact.
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[Faith | Definition of Faith by Merriam-Webster](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/faith) Outside the context of religion, it says that "faith" is "firm belief in something for which there is no proof". When I was studying science, professors encouraged us to avoid a firm belief, that science is what we know so far, and that theories could be proved wrong. It happened in the past, and probably still happening nowadays. So, no, science is not based on faith. It is not because I cannot experiment something myself that I have faith in it. But I will certainly not let a science belief rule my life based on some science fact.
Very Large Brain wrote:
"firm belief in something for which there is no proof".
That's a valid enough definition even within religion.
Very Large Brain wrote:
that science is what we know so far, and that theories could be proved wrong.
But as Eddy pointed out, science also bastardized the definition of fact so that they can now call things facts. :laugh:
Very Large Brain wrote:
science is not based on faith
Of course not. Why are you still on this? :doh:
Very Large Brain wrote:
t is not because I cannot experiment something myself that I have faith in it.
Yes, that is EXACTLY what it IS, even using YOUR definition. You have now admitted to having faith in science because you "have a firm belief in something for which there is no proof." You can't prove most of what science says, why? For what you already said. Science is our current understanding and will likely change.
Very Large Brain wrote:
But I will certainly not let a science belief rule my life based on some science fact.
Sure you do.
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Very Large Brain wrote:
"firm belief in something for which there is no proof".
That's a valid enough definition even within religion.
Very Large Brain wrote:
that science is what we know so far, and that theories could be proved wrong.
But as Eddy pointed out, science also bastardized the definition of fact so that they can now call things facts. :laugh:
Very Large Brain wrote:
science is not based on faith
Of course not. Why are you still on this? :doh:
Very Large Brain wrote:
t is not because I cannot experiment something myself that I have faith in it.
Yes, that is EXACTLY what it IS, even using YOUR definition. You have now admitted to having faith in science because you "have a firm belief in something for which there is no proof." You can't prove most of what science says, why? For what you already said. Science is our current understanding and will likely change.
Very Large Brain wrote:
But I will certainly not let a science belief rule my life based on some science fact.
Sure you do.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
But as Eddy pointed out
Do you have faith on what Eddy says?
ZurdoDev wrote:
Of course not. Why are you still on this?
[Because that is what you said. Look under "Here is what I said earlier"](https://www.codeproject.com/Messages/5602382/Re-The-Concept-of-the-human-Soul-is-a-religious-co.aspx)
ZurdoDev wrote:
Yes, that is EXACTLY what it IS, even using YOUR definition. You have now admitted to having faith in science because you
The EXACT opposite of what I said.
ZurdoDev wrote:
Sure you do.
Give me an example.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
But as Eddy pointed out
Do you have faith on what Eddy says?
ZurdoDev wrote:
Of course not. Why are you still on this?
[Because that is what you said. Look under "Here is what I said earlier"](https://www.codeproject.com/Messages/5602382/Re-The-Concept-of-the-human-Soul-is-a-religious-co.aspx)
ZurdoDev wrote:
Yes, that is EXACTLY what it IS, even using YOUR definition. You have now admitted to having faith in science because you
The EXACT opposite of what I said.
ZurdoDev wrote:
Sure you do.
Give me an example.
Very Large Brain wrote:
Because that is what you said. Look under "Here is what I said earlier"
I am very surprised you cannot tell that "you have faith in science" != "science requires faith." :doh:
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Very Large Brain wrote:
Because that is what you said. Look under "Here is what I said earlier"
I am very surprised you cannot tell that "you have faith in science" != "science requires faith." :doh:
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ZurdoDev wrote:
I am very surprised you cannot tell that "you have faith in science" != "science requires faith."
You are a very confuse person. :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:
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ZurdoDev wrote:
I am very surprised you cannot tell that "you have faith in science" != "science requires faith."
You are a very confuse person. :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:
Very Large Brain wrote:
You are a very confuse person.
Left brains vs. right brains. Science stands on its own, it does not care if you have faith in it or not. It does not care if you exist. Science does not need faith. Simple. You have faith in science because you take what science tells you without proving it yourself. I have faith in God but God does not require faith. Simple. When things are logically straightforward, it somehow messes with the leftist mind. Leftists want to complicate things for some strange reason. But the worst part is, very few leftists can actually see it.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
After dissecting, we never found a soul. When studying bacteria, we did not find a soul.
Well that settles it. If you can't find it, it must not exist. :-D
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ZurdoDev wrote:
Well that settles it. If you can't find it, it must not exist. :-D
That may be how it works in your little mind. I'm tired of your word-games :)
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ZurdoDev wrote:
Well that settles it. If you can't find it, it must not exist. :-D
That may be how it works in your little mind. I'm tired of your word-games :)
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
I'm tired of your word-games
My word games!!!? I guess next time bring a dictionary. ;)
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