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  • R raddevus

    I am reading Andy Hertzfeld[^]'s fantastically interesting site (http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Desk_Ornaments.txt&sortOrder=Sort+by+Date[^]) and I come across this sentence...

    Andy Hertzfeld:

    I wrote a simple clock, and got the calculator going, modeled after Steve Jobs' design from the calculator construction set.

    That leads me to search for : steve jobs calculator construction set And that leads me to this article: Steve Jobs Designed The First Macintosh Calculator - Business Insider[^] There is a picture of the original Mac Calculator. I took a snapshot for you : https://i.stack.imgur.com/3fmWs.png[^] Compare that to the Win10 calculator: https://i.stack.imgur.com/BnYlb.png[^] It's interesting to see the similarities and differences since they were designed so many years apart. I think I like the old design because it reminds me of old 8-bit games.

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    jackbrownii
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    The worst thing about it is the presence of an equals key. That means it's not RPN...

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    • R raddevus

      I am reading Andy Hertzfeld[^]'s fantastically interesting site (http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Desk_Ornaments.txt&sortOrder=Sort+by+Date[^]) and I come across this sentence...

      Andy Hertzfeld:

      I wrote a simple clock, and got the calculator going, modeled after Steve Jobs' design from the calculator construction set.

      That leads me to search for : steve jobs calculator construction set And that leads me to this article: Steve Jobs Designed The First Macintosh Calculator - Business Insider[^] There is a picture of the original Mac Calculator. I took a snapshot for you : https://i.stack.imgur.com/3fmWs.png[^] Compare that to the Win10 calculator: https://i.stack.imgur.com/BnYlb.png[^] It's interesting to see the similarities and differences since they were designed so many years apart. I think I like the old design because it reminds me of old 8-bit games.

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      maze3
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      As long as my keyboard pad and GUI have mostly the same orientation. :thumbsup: Why did smart phones post 2007 not take the opportunity to align up the PC keyboard orientation and phone number keypad? I actually had to check what the orientation was on my phone before suggesting they are flipped, because how often are people using the keypad that much now?

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      • C CodeWraith

        I don't doctor around with the symptoms and simply remove the source of my frustration. A thing you obviously do not know how to do, or you would know that this is an inherently biased matter. Otherwise there would be no need for an exorcism. :-)

        I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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        ZurdoDev
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        CodeWraith wrote:

        A thing you obviously do not know how to do

        Microsoft products work great for me. Why can't you use them correctly?

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        • Z ZurdoDev

          CodeWraith wrote:

          A thing you obviously do not know how to do

          Microsoft products work great for me. Why can't you use them correctly?

          Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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          CodeWraith
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          ZurdoDev wrote:

          Microsoft products work great for me.

          Or is it the other way around?

          ZurdoDev wrote:

          Why can't you use them correctly?

          Because 'correctly' in their case means being treated like their personal nigger with the privilege of handing them some money for the honor. Or short: I don't think their stuff is worth it anymore.

          I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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          • C CodeWraith

            ZurdoDev wrote:

            Microsoft products work great for me.

            Or is it the other way around?

            ZurdoDev wrote:

            Why can't you use them correctly?

            Because 'correctly' in their case means being treated like their personal nigger with the privilege of handing them some money for the honor. Or short: I don't think their stuff is worth it anymore.

            I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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            ZurdoDev
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            :omg: :doh:

            Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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            • R raddevus

              I am reading Andy Hertzfeld[^]'s fantastically interesting site (http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Desk_Ornaments.txt&sortOrder=Sort+by+Date[^]) and I come across this sentence...

              Andy Hertzfeld:

              I wrote a simple clock, and got the calculator going, modeled after Steve Jobs' design from the calculator construction set.

              That leads me to search for : steve jobs calculator construction set And that leads me to this article: Steve Jobs Designed The First Macintosh Calculator - Business Insider[^] There is a picture of the original Mac Calculator. I took a snapshot for you : https://i.stack.imgur.com/3fmWs.png[^] Compare that to the Win10 calculator: https://i.stack.imgur.com/BnYlb.png[^] It's interesting to see the similarities and differences since they were designed so many years apart. I think I like the old design because it reminds me of old 8-bit games.

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              Greg Lovekamp
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              raddevus wrote:

              since they were designed so many years apart.

              The error here lies in thinking anything from Microsoft is "designed"; traditionally, Microsoft applications have started as a programmer copying the functionality he has seen on another system. That application is then morphed by the alterations of other programmers, willy-nilly, for better or worse, over time.

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              • F Forogar

                Exactly. I always wanted a return on investment at a certain interest rate over so many years button. I have done it in Excel, obviously, but I want a calculator button for it! ;) ...and how many calculators have spell check, eh?

                - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                ZurdoDev
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                Forogar wrote:

                how many calculators have spell check, eh?

                You spelled the number 9 incorrectly.

                Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                • Z ZurdoDev

                  :omg: :doh:

                  Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                  CodeWraith
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                  Now don't be so shocked. What you think of their products or their quality is a thing we could probably discuss to no end, but their behavior is not excusable. They grin and say 'take it or leave it'. If they put it that way, then I always leave it.

                  I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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                    Now don't be so shocked. What you think of their products or their quality is a thing we could probably discuss to no end, but their behavior is not excusable. They grin and say 'take it or leave it'. If they put it that way, then I always leave it.

                    I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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                    ZurdoDev
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                    CodeWraith wrote:

                    their behavior is not excusable.

                    Their behavior has never messed me up. Again, why are you doing everything wrong?

                    Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                    • Z ZurdoDev

                      CodeWraith wrote:

                      their behavior is not excusable.

                      Their behavior has never messed me up. Again, why are you doing everything wrong?

                      Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                      CodeWraith
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                      Have you ever read Milton? :-) There alwys are those who can't live in a nice walled garden in a happy and dumb herd.

                      I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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                        raddevus wrote:

                        since they were designed so many years apart.

                        The error here lies in thinking anything from Microsoft is "designed"; traditionally, Microsoft applications have started as a programmer copying the functionality he has seen on another system. That application is then morphed by the alterations of other programmers, willy-nilly, for better or worse, over time.

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                        raddevus
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                        Greg Lovekamp wrote:

                        applications have started as a programmer copying the functionality he has seen on another system. That application is then morphed by the alterations of other programmers, willy-nilly, for better or worse, over time.

                        That's the Industry Standard! :rolleyes:

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                        • J jackbrownii

                          The worst thing about it is the presence of an equals key. That means it's not RPN...

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                          raddevus
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                          I had no idea what RPN was. I looked it up and found Reverse Polish Notation and now I'm reading all about it on wikipedia. Very interesting. Thanks.:thumbsup:

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                            Have you ever read Milton? :-) There alwys are those who can't live in a nice walled garden in a happy and dumb herd.

                            I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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                            ZurdoDev
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                            You're pretty full of yourself. :zzz: :thumbsdown:

                            Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                              I had no idea what RPN was. I looked it up and found Reverse Polish Notation and now I'm reading all about it on wikipedia. Very interesting. Thanks.:thumbsup:

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                              I had HP calculators in college, so, I'm hooked. RPN uses a stack and post-fix operation. That means in stead of 3 + 5, you have 3 5 +. The former, called infix, is what typical calculators, the ones with an equals button, use. The really nifty thing about RPN is that you can do complicated equations without having to keep track of how many left and right parentheses you've typed in as you would with a typical calculator. This link https://www.cs.colostate.edu/~cs165/.Summer18/recitations/L15/doc/traversal-order.html seems to explain it pretty quickly. Probably more clearly than I am. :)

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                                You're pretty full of yourself. :zzz: :thumbsdown:

                                Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                                CodeWraith
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                                You are not? Then how do you get out of bed every morning and get the confidence to do whatever needs to be done?

                                I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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                                  You are not? Then how do you get out of bed every morning and get the confidence to do whatever needs to be done?

                                  I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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                                  ZurdoDev
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                                  CodeWraith wrote:

                                  You are not?

                                  Of course not.

                                  CodeWraith wrote:

                                  Then how do you get out of bed every morning and get the confidence to do whatever needs to be done?

                                  Confidence and arrogance are not the same thing.

                                  Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                                    CodeWraith wrote:

                                    You are not?

                                    Of course not.

                                    CodeWraith wrote:

                                    Then how do you get out of bed every morning and get the confidence to do whatever needs to be done?

                                    Confidence and arrogance are not the same thing.

                                    Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                                    CodeWraith
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                                    ZurdoDev wrote:

                                    Of course not.

                                    Exactly as I thought. You are a good sheep and would never want the herd to think anything else. God forbid!

                                    ZurdoDev wrote:

                                    Confidence and arrogance are not the same thing.

                                    At least you know that, so there is still some hope for you. The next step could be to tell them apart. But be careful: The herd may see you as a black sheep once you do and may, lacking any arguments, try to shame you back into the herd. They might even accuse you of arrogance, just for having the audacity to do your own thing.

                                    I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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                                      ZurdoDev wrote:

                                      Of course not.

                                      Exactly as I thought. You are a good sheep and would never want the herd to think anything else. God forbid!

                                      ZurdoDev wrote:

                                      Confidence and arrogance are not the same thing.

                                      At least you know that, so there is still some hope for you. The next step could be to tell them apart. But be careful: The herd may see you as a black sheep once you do and may, lacking any arguments, try to shame you back into the herd. They might even accuse you of arrogance, just for having the audacity to do your own thing.

                                      I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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                                      ZurdoDev
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                                      Either you're trolling or you are stupidly narrow minded. I vote trolling. Good day.

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                                        Either you're trolling or you are stupidly narrow minded. I vote trolling. Good day.

                                        Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                                        CodeWraith
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                                        Said the troll himself. Just accusations and a little shaming. Good day to you too, Mr. CEO, and come back when you have some arguments.

                                        I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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                                        • F Forogar

                                          This has inspired me. My company policy does not allow me to install any third party software not passed by the security group - a process that takes months. However, since I am allowed to run self-written programs, I going to write my own WinForm version with all the functions I want on it, none that I don't, and styled the way I want it! :cool:

                                          - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                                          Rage
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                                          Well...[^]

                                          Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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