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o, a baby born at exactly 2:00 PM is not a baby at 1:59:59.999 PM?
Until the umbilical cord is cut it is technically a parasite.
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Forogar wrote:
Until the umbilical cord is cut it is technically a parasite.
Until they're moved out of the house, you could still argue that. :laugh:
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Sander Rossel wrote:
It's unclear when exactly an embryo becomes a person,
No, it isn't at all. At moment of conception there is unique DNA. Period! I am so glad that you do not want to have kids because you are not fit to be a parent or even a human being for that matter. You have no morals whatsoever. The fact that you're OK with murdering unwanted children is beyond description. Yet you'll fight and argue for animal rights. Sad.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
Period!
That's the kind of language that stifles all discussion.
ZurdoDev wrote:
you are not fit to be a parent or even a human being for that matter. You have no morals whatsoever.
Now that's harsh :( I've lived a better life than many people (including Christians) and I wouldn't hurt a living soul, but I'm no saint either. I'm just not for bringing people into this world against the will of those who'll have to raise it, which will not benefit the child nor the parent(s). You asked me for my point of view, which I have given. I am also not alone in these viewpoints as millions (if not billions) of people are pro-abortion. However, if you're going to attack me personally I'm all done with you, goodbye.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
Period!
That's the kind of language that stifles all discussion.
ZurdoDev wrote:
you are not fit to be a parent or even a human being for that matter. You have no morals whatsoever.
Now that's harsh :( I've lived a better life than many people (including Christians) and I wouldn't hurt a living soul, but I'm no saint either. I'm just not for bringing people into this world against the will of those who'll have to raise it, which will not benefit the child nor the parent(s). You asked me for my point of view, which I have given. I am also not alone in these viewpoints as millions (if not billions) of people are pro-abortion. However, if you're going to attack me personally I'm all done with you, goodbye.
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Sander Rossel wrote:
That's the kind of language that stifles all discussion.
Ya, I hate it when science gets in the way of my opinion. :-D
Sander Rossel wrote:
if you're going to attack me personally I'm all done with you, goodbye.
You want unwanted children murdered. I'm not sorry if you feel attacked. That point of view should be attacked. Are you a great person otherwise? Probably. But when you want unwanted children to be murdered I'm not sure that all the good you do do, means a whole lot. Especially when you criticize the same thing (religions that have done tons of good but do have some bad periods.) :^) I won't apologize for valuing human life.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
Conservatives donate more money and give more of their time to service than leftists do
And by "service" you mean church? That same church that has prosecuted women and gays, who have abused little children, who have killed in the name of Christ? I'd rather you'd not give at all X|
ZurdoDev wrote:
I already pointed out that there is no need to torture an animal to eat it.
Indeed, it's not necessary, but it happens at a large scale, which is why I stopped eating animals altogether.
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Sander Rossel wrote:
That same church that has prosecuted women and gays
Thank God they've stopped all that now. Terrible times when that was happening. Of course Islam continues to kill people just for being gay right now all across the world.
Sander Rossel wrote:
Indeed, it's not necessary, but it happens at a large scale
It does indeed. Like with halal food that Islam not only insists Muslims eat, but insists *you* eat it too ("you" as it meat-eaters, not you specifically) as restaurants kowtow to Islam for fear of violent retribution. What those Christians did hundreds of years ago though....wow, what about that, huh?
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Sander Rossel wrote:
That same church that has prosecuted women and gays
Thank God they've stopped all that now. Terrible times when that was happening. Of course Islam continues to kill people just for being gay right now all across the world.
Sander Rossel wrote:
Indeed, it's not necessary, but it happens at a large scale
It does indeed. Like with halal food that Islam not only insists Muslims eat, but insists *you* eat it too ("you" as it meat-eaters, not you specifically) as restaurants kowtow to Islam for fear of violent retribution. What those Christians did hundreds of years ago though....wow, what about that, huh?
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
Thank God they've stopped all that now.
Of course they haven't. Church leaders are still telling people gays are unnatural and that's it's a choice or disease. And if it were up to the church women would again be at home taking care of your twelve children. They don't have as much power as they used to, but their (im)morals are largely the same. Although a lot of churches are getting better lately, they're not (all) quite there yet. I'll give you this though, they're not as evil as they used to be, and most probably less evil than the Islam :) I don't really see the need for religion, just live your life as you see fit without hurting or bothering others (within the confines of the law, which shouldn't be influenced by religion). That said, everyone is free to believe what they want, I just wished they left others out of it (healthy discussion aside, but that's rarely possible on these subjects) :)
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F-ES Sitecore wrote:
Thank God they've stopped all that now.
Of course they haven't. Church leaders are still telling people gays are unnatural and that's it's a choice or disease. And if it were up to the church women would again be at home taking care of your twelve children. They don't have as much power as they used to, but their (im)morals are largely the same. Although a lot of churches are getting better lately, they're not (all) quite there yet. I'll give you this though, they're not as evil as they used to be, and most probably less evil than the Islam :) I don't really see the need for religion, just live your life as you see fit without hurting or bothering others (within the confines of the law, which shouldn't be influenced by religion). That said, everyone is free to believe what they want, I just wished they left others out of it (healthy discussion aside, but that's rarely possible on these subjects) :)
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Sander Rossel wrote:
Church leaders are still telling people gays are unnatural and that's it's a choice or disease.
That's terrible. Muslims throw people to their death for being gay. What about those mean words though?
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Sander Rossel wrote:
Church leaders are still telling people gays are unnatural and that's it's a choice or disease.
That's terrible. Muslims throw people to their death for being gay. What about those mean words though?
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
What about those mean words though?
They say words don't hurt, but gay people have been harassed and/or murdered or have committed suicide because of those words. They can't get married even if they wanted to. They can't adopt children. They can't donate blood. All because of those mean words. Words hurt, a lot. I heard gay people in the Middle East need drugs to feel good. Apparently, they're all... stoned! *yeehaw, I'll get my coat* Anyway, those death penalties are there because of "mere" words also. You can't say the Christian church (or some of them as there isn't "one" church) is good because the Islam is worse, they're both bad and I hope to see once see the day where people can say "hey, I'm gay!" and all the people would be like "okay!" (rhyme not intended).
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F-ES Sitecore wrote:
What about those mean words though?
They say words don't hurt, but gay people have been harassed and/or murdered or have committed suicide because of those words. They can't get married even if they wanted to. They can't adopt children. They can't donate blood. All because of those mean words. Words hurt, a lot. I heard gay people in the Middle East need drugs to feel good. Apparently, they're all... stoned! *yeehaw, I'll get my coat* Anyway, those death penalties are there because of "mere" words also. You can't say the Christian church (or some of them as there isn't "one" church) is good because the Islam is worse, they're both bad and I hope to see once see the day where people can say "hey, I'm gay!" and all the people would be like "okay!" (rhyme not intended).
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Sander Rossel wrote:
They say words don't hurt, but gay people have been harassed and/or murdered or have committed suicide because of those words.
No Christian has ever murdered a gay person because a priest said homosexuality was a sin. People are murdered in Islamic countries all the time for being gay. Those still alive are only alive as they are hiding their sexuality. What about those mean words though?
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As someone who doesn't want children at all it's beyond me why anyone would ever want more than, say, two. Or how you'd pay for more :~ I do think child birth beyond the first or second child should be discouraged, like child support only for the first child, etc. And of course legal abortion possible through late stages in pregnancy.
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Sander Rossel wrote:
As someone who doesn't want children
Same here. At some point in my life, I did want children, but I took a nap and it passed.
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Meanwhile, the republican "pro-life" government has reinstated the death penalty :doh: Speaking of pro-life, why is the quality of the lives involved never discussed? It's just that an embryo needs to become a baby and beyond that the parent(s) have to see however they're going to raise it. It's not pro-life, it's really just anti-choice. I wonder how one gets to the mindset of "we decide what's best for everyone."
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Sander Rossel wrote:
I wonder how one gets to the mindset of "we decide what's best for everyone."
They get it from religion.
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Sander Rossel wrote:
I wonder how one gets to the mindset of "we decide what's best for everyone."
They get it from religion.
Le centriste wrote:
They get it from religion.
They also get it from non-religion so your point is now nullified. For example, you try to push "your views" on others even though you don't have a religion. Religion is just a set of beliefs so we all fall under that category. Your statement means nothing other than another attempt to persecute those that are different than you.
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Sander Rossel wrote:
They say words don't hurt, but gay people have been harassed and/or murdered or have committed suicide because of those words.
No Christian has ever murdered a gay person because a priest said homosexuality was a sin. People are murdered in Islamic countries all the time for being gay. Those still alive are only alive as they are hiding their sexuality. What about those mean words though?
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
No Christian has ever murdered a gay person because a priest said homosexuality was a sin.
Stop deluding yourself. If that was the case, things like the Gay Panic Defense would never have existed in this 'Christian Nation' of ours.
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Sander Rossel wrote:
That's the kind of language that stifles all discussion.
Ya, I hate it when science gets in the way of my opinion. :-D
Sander Rossel wrote:
if you're going to attack me personally I'm all done with you, goodbye.
You want unwanted children murdered. I'm not sorry if you feel attacked. That point of view should be attacked. Are you a great person otherwise? Probably. But when you want unwanted children to be murdered I'm not sure that all the good you do do, means a whole lot. Especially when you criticize the same thing (religions that have done tons of good but do have some bad periods.) :^) I won't apologize for valuing human life.
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What he really wants is no unwanted children, and in that way he values life more than the anti-abortion crusaders. I would make a snide remark about how Christians don't care whether there are unwanted children or not, but that would make this snide remark pointless.
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Joe Biden cited that the U.S. is responsible for only 15% of total global emissions and that even if the U.S. makes drastic changes in climate policy it is not going to do much in the grand scheme of things.
I don't think this is ever a good argument. I'm a vegetarian, so let's say I save about 25 animals a year (some statistic I once read). Not a lot, you might say. Except that millions of people are vegetarian and the more people do it the more accept it and follow by example (even if it's just eating less meat). So all in all, we're saving hundreds of millions of animals per year, and that's a big number. This is only possible if the individual doesn't believe in the "I don't make a difference" argument. Let's take the example where it hurts Biden, you don't hear him say "don't vote for me because your individual vote doesn't do much in the grand scheme of things." :D The same goes for climate change, and 15% for one single country is quite a lot actually. So if America does it they're also setting an example for other countries, they can learn from each other, etc. So I'd argue that if they make drastic changes it would do A LOT in the grand scheme of things. China and India are doing it, by planting a shitload of trees, so America better not lag behind! And I, for one, would welcome that, because I do think we have a problem (and I'm doing my individual part as well) :)
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Sander Rossel wrote:
I'm a vegetarian, so let's say I save about 25 animals a year
I'm a vegetarian too, but learned that I save no animals at all... Those animals end up on someone's plate where grew for eating - if there is no sale there is no animal, and for that no saving... (hunting can be a sample, but it is so minor, that does not really count)
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What he really wants is no unwanted children, and in that way he values life more than the anti-abortion crusaders. I would make a snide remark about how Christians don't care whether there are unwanted children or not, but that would make this snide remark pointless.
David O'Neil wrote:
and in that way he values life more than the anti-abortion crusaders.
Whatever you have to tell yourself so that you can still look at yourself in the mirror without throwing up.
David O'Neil wrote:
I would make a snide remark about how Christians don't care whether there are unwanted children or not,
Why are you bringing religion into this topic? Are you suggesting that Christians are the only one who care about children? I'm sure there are lots of people who aren't Christians that also don't favor killing children. And it is so lame and immoral to try and claim that since no one wants the children then we should just kill them. I want them. Period! There, you can never use that excuse again because there is no such thing as an unwanted child. :doh:
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F-ES Sitecore wrote:
No Christian has ever murdered a gay person because a priest said homosexuality was a sin.
Stop deluding yourself. If that was the case, things like the Gay Panic Defense would never have existed in this 'Christian Nation' of ours.
That law has nothing to do with people killing homosexuals because a priest told them it was a sin. For every case you show me of a Christian killing a gay person because a priest said homosexuality was a sin, I'll show you 100 cases of Muslims killing gays right up til today. You want links to a recent survey showing 50% of Muslims in UK think homosexuality should be illegal? Want me to show you videos of Muslims protesting outside schools in the UK against LGBT awareness and the kind of homophobic things they're saying? Want to see videos of Muslims assaulting gay people at "pride" festivals? Cos I don't see a lot of this stuff coming from any religion other than Islam....
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Sander Rossel wrote:
I'm a vegetarian, so let's say I save about 25 animals a year
I'm a vegetarian too, but learned that I save no animals at all... Those animals end up on someone's plate where grew for eating - if there is no sale there is no animal, and for that no saving... (hunting can be a sample, but it is so minor, that does not really count)
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:
if there is no sale there is no animal, and for that no saving
I see no animal as a save. It's better to not have an animal at all than to have an animal being tortured and killed :) Besides, less animals means less greenhouse gasses, which means cleaner air... In fact, scientists say we should all switch to a vegetarian diet if we want to save the planet. So perhaps no animal is even better than a saved one (we can't keep them all anyway) :)
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:
if there is no sale there is no animal, and for that no saving
I see no animal as a save. It's better to not have an animal at all than to have an animal being tortured and killed :) Besides, less animals means less greenhouse gasses, which means cleaner air... In fact, scientists say we should all switch to a vegetarian diet if we want to save the planet. So perhaps no animal is even better than a saved one (we can't keep them all anyway) :)
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Sander Rossel wrote:
animal being tortured
Sander Rossel wrote:
less animals means less greenhouse gasses, which means cleaner air...
More or less my reasons not to eat them... First of all the way they handled is horrible... Second our planet not seems to handle well the amount of 'extra-life' we create in modern economy (of which a large portion turns into waste, as there is no good distribution of resources if any)....
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Sander Rossel wrote:
animal being tortured
Sander Rossel wrote:
less animals means less greenhouse gasses, which means cleaner air...
More or less my reasons not to eat them... First of all the way they handled is horrible... Second our planet not seems to handle well the amount of 'extra-life' we create in modern economy (of which a large portion turns into waste, as there is no good distribution of resources if any)....
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:
Second our planet not seems to handle well the amount of 'extra-life' we create in modern economy (of which a large portion turns into waste, as there is no good distribution of resources if any)....
You told it, the problem are not the animals. We are the problem
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote:
No Christian has ever murdered a gay person because a priest said homosexuality was a sin.
Stop deluding yourself. If that was the case, things like the Gay Panic Defense would never have existed in this 'Christian Nation' of ours.
David O'Neil wrote:
If that was the case, things like the Gay Panic Defense would never have existed in this 'Christian Nation' of ours.
That's an untrue premise. This is a free country and therefore we'll have every kind of crazy.
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