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  • A amagitech

    I have worked as Desktop developer during all my career. I see and hear a lot of new technologies. And I study them myself evenings. For example docker, mvc, .net core, angular js, react... but in my company boss doesn't give web and mobile technologies to me. i feel really bored. i wanted to change my job for last week. but being unexperienced with real projects is really big problem for me. so nobody want to pay money what is my salary now. I feel like i am being fossil. and i can't find good jobs in the future.

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    PIEBALDconsult
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    You're already doing the stuff which works as expected and makes sense. Avoid that Web crap at all costs. I do mostly back-end work and the closest I would get to the Web is Web Services.

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    • A amagitech

      I have worked as Desktop developer during all my career. I see and hear a lot of new technologies. And I study them myself evenings. For example docker, mvc, .net core, angular js, react... but in my company boss doesn't give web and mobile technologies to me. i feel really bored. i wanted to change my job for last week. but being unexperienced with real projects is really big problem for me. so nobody want to pay money what is my salary now. I feel like i am being fossil. and i can't find good jobs in the future.

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      Paul Kemner
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      Maybe look for a job where you can use your desktop skills, but they aren't so narrow as your current employer? In general, smaller shops can't afford to keep people in narrow specializations.

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      • A amagitech

        I have worked as Desktop developer during all my career. I see and hear a lot of new technologies. And I study them myself evenings. For example docker, mvc, .net core, angular js, react... but in my company boss doesn't give web and mobile technologies to me. i feel really bored. i wanted to change my job for last week. but being unexperienced with real projects is really big problem for me. so nobody want to pay money what is my salary now. I feel like i am being fossil. and i can't find good jobs in the future.

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        Mark_Wallace
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        You've got to take the initiative, Kiddo. Look for something that you know you can improve, and improve it, then show it to people and have discussions about it, rather than lecture, and always be ready to admit that you were wrong. People are always receptive to things that will save them time and effort, so: 0. Do. 1. Discuss. 2. Profit. [edit] Like John said, the "Do" part should be done at least mostly on your own time.[/edit]

        I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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        • A amagitech

          I have worked as Desktop developer during all my career. I see and hear a lot of new technologies. And I study them myself evenings. For example docker, mvc, .net core, angular js, react... but in my company boss doesn't give web and mobile technologies to me. i feel really bored. i wanted to change my job for last week. but being unexperienced with real projects is really big problem for me. so nobody want to pay money what is my salary now. I feel like i am being fossil. and i can't find good jobs in the future.

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          Member 9167057
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          I've been working in the desktop development space for years and I wonder, what exactly do I miss? Anyway, are you talking about technologies or the space? Do you strive to write your desktop stuff with web languages, or do you explicitly want to do web stuff?

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          • A amagitech

            that's what i try now. i will make an open source hospital appointment project.

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            Fabio Franco
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            I would actually do it a little bit differently and try working on existing high profile open source projects which uses the technologies you're interested in. You can gain experience, see how other more experienced people do and have a profile to share when applying for a job to prove your experience.

            To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson ---- Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia

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            • F Fabio Franco

              I would actually do it a little bit differently and try working on existing high profile open source projects which uses the technologies you're interested in. You can gain experience, see how other more experienced people do and have a profile to share when applying for a job to prove your experience.

              To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson ---- Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia

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              amagitech
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              thanks i will search open source projects.

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                I've been working in the desktop development space for years and I wonder, what exactly do I miss? Anyway, are you talking about technologies or the space? Do you strive to write your desktop stuff with web languages, or do you explicitly want to do web stuff?

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                amagitech
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                i actually want to learn new technologies and use theme.

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                • A amagitech

                  i actually want to learn new technologies and use theme.

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                  Then it's simple: Start a pet project. You don't need to work in field X to do X.

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                  • A amagitech

                    I have worked as Desktop developer during all my career. I see and hear a lot of new technologies. And I study them myself evenings. For example docker, mvc, .net core, angular js, react... but in my company boss doesn't give web and mobile technologies to me. i feel really bored. i wanted to change my job for last week. but being unexperienced with real projects is really big problem for me. so nobody want to pay money what is my salary now. I feel like i am being fossil. and i can't find good jobs in the future.

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                    Slow Eddie
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                    Fossils last for eons. New languages, frameworks are like Mayflies. Here today, gone tomorrow. They don't pay you because it is fun. They are paying you so you will come back and do it again tomorrow. Newer isn't better, just different. If you are that bored, develop a product in a new language on your own time and go into business for yourself, leaving your current job. You might not be successful with it, but you certainly will not be bored.

                    I have been better, but I have been much worse, as well.

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                    • A amagitech

                      I have worked as Desktop developer during all my career. I see and hear a lot of new technologies. And I study them myself evenings. For example docker, mvc, .net core, angular js, react... but in my company boss doesn't give web and mobile technologies to me. i feel really bored. i wanted to change my job for last week. but being unexperienced with real projects is really big problem for me. so nobody want to pay money what is my salary now. I feel like i am being fossil. and i can't find good jobs in the future.

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                      dandy72
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                      Speaking only for myself: Coding for the web sucks. It's a mess. Cherish every moment you have coding old school: desktop, client/server, etc. I'm personally hoping I can retire before I have no choice but to do web development full time. I'm not sure I can stretch it for another decade however.

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                      • A amagitech

                        I have worked as Desktop developer during all my career. I see and hear a lot of new technologies. And I study them myself evenings. For example docker, mvc, .net core, angular js, react... but in my company boss doesn't give web and mobile technologies to me. i feel really bored. i wanted to change my job for last week. but being unexperienced with real projects is really big problem for me. so nobody want to pay money what is my salary now. I feel like i am being fossil. and i can't find good jobs in the future.

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                        patbob
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                        Yes, you must get experience with those new technologies.. if only for future job security. Since you don't get to do them at work, do your own projects at home. If you make them open source, or at least make the source visible to everyone, you can use them as an example of your work to a prospective employer. Once you have enough years experience with successful web apps that you're considered a senior developer at that stuff, you should be able to switch jobs.

                        I live in Oregon, and I'm an engineer.

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                        • A amagitech

                          I have worked as Desktop developer during all my career. I see and hear a lot of new technologies. And I study them myself evenings. For example docker, mvc, .net core, angular js, react... but in my company boss doesn't give web and mobile technologies to me. i feel really bored. i wanted to change my job for last week. but being unexperienced with real projects is really big problem for me. so nobody want to pay money what is my salary now. I feel like i am being fossil. and i can't find good jobs in the future.

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                          Rick Shaub
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                          Do you ever get brand new projects? If so, look into using Electron, which is a desktop HTML/CSS/JS stack. Or better yet, use Python. Python is easy to learn and is a great general purpose cross-platform technology that be used to build just about any type of software.

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                          • A amagitech

                            I have worked as Desktop developer during all my career. I see and hear a lot of new technologies. And I study them myself evenings. For example docker, mvc, .net core, angular js, react... but in my company boss doesn't give web and mobile technologies to me. i feel really bored. i wanted to change my job for last week. but being unexperienced with real projects is really big problem for me. so nobody want to pay money what is my salary now. I feel like i am being fossil. and i can't find good jobs in the future.

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                            MSBassSinger
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                            Besides studying in the evenings, think of a project you can do in your spare time. A website for some group you belong to, or build some NuGet packages from some functionality you can think of, then publish them. Build some utility app that you can sell or distribute, or use as the basis for an article on CodeProject. This will give you some accomplishments that you can then show your boss to prove you are ready for new tasks.

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                              You're already doing the stuff which works as expected and makes sense. Avoid that Web crap at all costs. I do mostly back-end work and the closest I would get to the Web is Web Services.

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                              MSBassSinger
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                              I second that, although Blazor makes web projects at least palatable, since JavaScript is not required.

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                              • A amagitech

                                I have worked as Desktop developer during all my career. I see and hear a lot of new technologies. And I study them myself evenings. For example docker, mvc, .net core, angular js, react... but in my company boss doesn't give web and mobile technologies to me. i feel really bored. i wanted to change my job for last week. but being unexperienced with real projects is really big problem for me. so nobody want to pay money what is my salary now. I feel like i am being fossil. and i can't find good jobs in the future.

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                                Matt McGuire
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                                been there, had to find a new job to be allowed to branch out, but kinda 'cart before the horse' situation, picked enough up in my spare time that I could justify it in my CV

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                                  I have worked as Desktop developer during all my career. I see and hear a lot of new technologies. And I study them myself evenings. For example docker, mvc, .net core, angular js, react... but in my company boss doesn't give web and mobile technologies to me. i feel really bored. i wanted to change my job for last week. but being unexperienced with real projects is really big problem for me. so nobody want to pay money what is my salary now. I feel like i am being fossil. and i can't find good jobs in the future.

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                                  Lost User
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                                  Welcome to the rest of your life. What is good eventually turns bad; what was bad eventually turns good ... repeat.

                                  The Master said, 'Am I indeed possessed of knowledge? I am not knowing. But if a mean person, who appears quite empty-like, ask anything of me, I set it forth from one end to the other, and exhaust it.' ― Confucian Analects

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