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Wow, it only took me way to many years to learn this...

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  • Richard Andrew x64R Richard Andrew x64

    I wouldn't feel bad about not knowing it sooner, it's hardly intuitive. In what other circumstance can you delete something by hovering over it?

    The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.

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    Mike Winiberg
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    In Outlook - you can delete the remembered email addresses that pop up when you start typing in the To box. Far to easy to delete the wrong one though...

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    • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

      Apparently, in SQL Server Management Studio, you can delete servers from the drop down list in the "Connect to Server" popup. I still had servers from my last employer, servers that no longer existed, test servers... Basically everything I've ever connected to on this laptop. In the past I've downloaded a small application that was specifically build to clean up that list (so apparently other people have the same problem). It turns out you can just open the list, hover over a server name and press delete on your keyboard and it'll be gone (without warning). My life would've looked a lot different had I learned about this some nine years ago :wtf: I'm not sure in what version of SSMS this was introduced, but it seems it's been available for at least five years.

      Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Continuous Integration, Delivery, and Deployment arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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      John Bevan
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      If it helps, you can find this info on the `SqlStudio.bin` file (under `%AppData%`). Here's some PowerShell to help make sense of the file's content: Get List of Servers from SSMS (i.e. historically used connections list from the New Connection dialogue) · GitHub[^]

      Add-Type -Path (Get-Command 'Microsoft.SqlServer.Management.UserSettings.dll').Source
      [bool]$loaded = $false
      Get-Item -Path 'C:\Windows\assembly\GAC_MSIL\Microsoft.SqlServer.ConnectionInfo\*\Microsoft.SqlServer.ConnectionInfo.dll' | Select-Object -ExpandProperty FullName | Sort-Object -Descending | ForEach-Object {if (!$loaded ){try {Add-Type -Path $_;Write-Verbose "Successfully loaded $_";$loaded=$true}catch{Write-Warning "Failed to load $_"}}}

      [string]$settingsFilePath = (Resolve-Path (Join-Path -Path $env:APPDATA -ChildPath 'Microsoft/SQL Server Management Studio/*/SqlStudio.bin')).Path | Sort-Object -Descending | Select-Object -First 1
      if ($settingsFilePath) {
      try {
      [System.IO.MemoryStream]$ms = [System.IO.File]::ReadAllBytes($settingsFilePath)
      [System.Runtime.Serialization.Formatters.Binary.BinaryFormatter]$formatter = New-Object -TypeName 'System.Runtime.Serialization.Formatters.Binary.BinaryFormatter'
      [Microsoft.SqlServer.Management.UserSettings.SqlStudio]$sqlStudio = $formatter.Deserialize($ms) #[Microsoft.SqlServer.Management.UserSettings.SettingsDictionary[[System.Guid],[Microsoft.SqlServer.Management.UserSettings.ServerTypeItem]]]
      foreach ($serverTypeItem in $sqlStudio.SSMS.ConnectionOptions.ServerTypes.Values) { #[Microsoft.SqlServer.Management.UserSettings.ServerTypeItem]
      foreach ($server in $serverTypeItem.Servers) { # [Microsoft.SqlServer.Management.UserSettings.ServerConnectionItem]
      ([PSCustomObject][Ordered]@{
      Instance = $server.Instance
      AuthMeth = ([Microsoft.SqlServer.Management.Common.SqlConnectionInfo+AuthenticationMethod]$server.AuthenticationMethod)
      Connections = $server.Connections
      })

              }
          }
      } finally {
          $ms.Dispose()
      }
      

      } else {
      throw 'Could not find SqlStudio.bin. Older versions used MRU.dat... but I''ve not coded a solution for that, sorry!'
      }

      The connection settings are held in a di

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      • D dandy72

        Richard Andrew x64 wrote:

        it's hardly intuitive. In what other circumstance can you delete something by hovering over it?

        You mean, hover and hit Delete while an item is highlighted. I've seen combo boxes that keep a typing history do that, browser Favorites (I think IE might've done that at one point if it's not still there)...it's not entirely new. But you're right, it's not very "discoverable"...but when you see in action, you kinda start expecting it to be supported everywhere else. I try to make a point in my own apps to add this where it's appropriate.

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        DerekT P
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        Sounds horrendously dangerous to me - especially without any confirmation dialog. So I'm typing some SQL into a query window - move the mouse "out of the way" so I don't have the pointer over the query text, and hit "delete" because I want to change what I'm typing... wham! Server connection gone. That might be a client's server I'm responsible for administering, but haven't separately saved (written down) the password; now I'm stuffed, especially if it's 11pm on a Saturday night and I need to do maintenance on that server... :-( If the hover/delete combo is obscure, just how obscure will the documentation be that allows me to disable this "feature"...? :wtf: :doh: When building a UI, I never provide the ability to delete anything non-trivial without confirmation.

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        • D dandy72

          This is the sort of thing that, in hindsight, should be so obvious - every application should allow you to do this sort of thing.

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          RustyF
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          Works in outlook too when you are typing the to: address, allows you to delete old recipients

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          • D DerekT P

            Sounds horrendously dangerous to me - especially without any confirmation dialog. So I'm typing some SQL into a query window - move the mouse "out of the way" so I don't have the pointer over the query text, and hit "delete" because I want to change what I'm typing... wham! Server connection gone. That might be a client's server I'm responsible for administering, but haven't separately saved (written down) the password; now I'm stuffed, especially if it's 11pm on a Saturday night and I need to do maintenance on that server... :-( If the hover/delete combo is obscure, just how obscure will the documentation be that allows me to disable this "feature"...? :wtf: :doh: When building a UI, I never provide the ability to delete anything non-trivial without confirmation.

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            dandy72
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            Where have I mentioned there was no confirmation dialog? Besides...in all use-cases I've implemented this, the removable items only appear as a result of an action like a right-click, which makes the removable item(s) appear; "moving the mouse out of the way" is never enough to make said removable items appear on their own, so what you're describing is rather unlikely to happen. You want to talk about dangerous - how about you're in the middle of typing a long paragraph of text, then some random Windows message pops up, defaulting with the focus on OK, and you happen to hit Space or Enter as you continue typing (before you might not even have realized something came up and stole focus away). The dialog box thinks you've confirmed the action it was asking of you, but it was on the screen for such a short amount of time you have no idea what it said or where it even came from. True story, and I can confirm it's happened to me repeatedly.

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            • D dandy72

              Where have I mentioned there was no confirmation dialog? Besides...in all use-cases I've implemented this, the removable items only appear as a result of an action like a right-click, which makes the removable item(s) appear; "moving the mouse out of the way" is never enough to make said removable items appear on their own, so what you're describing is rather unlikely to happen. You want to talk about dangerous - how about you're in the middle of typing a long paragraph of text, then some random Windows message pops up, defaulting with the focus on OK, and you happen to hit Space or Enter as you continue typing (before you might not even have realized something came up and stole focus away). The dialog box thinks you've confirmed the action it was asking of you, but it was on the screen for such a short amount of time you have no idea what it said or where it even came from. True story, and I can confirm it's happened to me repeatedly.

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              jackbrownii
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              > dandy72 wrote: > Where have I mentioned there was no confirmation dialog? SSMS does not give a confirmation dialog using the technique the OP mentioned.

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                > dandy72 wrote: > Where have I mentioned there was no confirmation dialog? SSMS does not give a confirmation dialog using the technique the OP mentioned.

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                dandy72
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                I was elaborating on a direct response to the message where I said I try to implement the same. If SSMS doesn't prompt for confirmation when deleting something important, then that's its problem, not mine. :-)

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                • D dandy72

                  Where have I mentioned there was no confirmation dialog? Besides...in all use-cases I've implemented this, the removable items only appear as a result of an action like a right-click, which makes the removable item(s) appear; "moving the mouse out of the way" is never enough to make said removable items appear on their own, so what you're describing is rather unlikely to happen. You want to talk about dangerous - how about you're in the middle of typing a long paragraph of text, then some random Windows message pops up, defaulting with the focus on OK, and you happen to hit Space or Enter as you continue typing (before you might not even have realized something came up and stole focus away). The dialog box thinks you've confirmed the action it was asking of you, but it was on the screen for such a short amount of time you have no idea what it said or where it even came from. True story, and I can confirm it's happened to me repeatedly.

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                  DerekT P
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                  Sander said:

                  Quote:

                  It turns out you can just open the list, hover over a server name and press delete on your keyboard and it'll be gone (without warning).

                  I interpreted the "without warning" bit as meaning there's no confirmation prompt...? You mentioned you were adding the same functionality in your own apps... but clearly you're implementing an improvement over Microsoft's attempt! :)

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                  • D DerekT P

                    Sander said:

                    Quote:

                    It turns out you can just open the list, hover over a server name and press delete on your keyboard and it'll be gone (without warning).

                    I interpreted the "without warning" bit as meaning there's no confirmation prompt...? You mentioned you were adding the same functionality in your own apps... but clearly you're implementing an improvement over Microsoft's attempt! :)

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                    dandy72
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                    Well, I always try to do that much. Sometimes the bar is pretty low. :-)

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                    • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                      Apparently, in SQL Server Management Studio, you can delete servers from the drop down list in the "Connect to Server" popup. I still had servers from my last employer, servers that no longer existed, test servers... Basically everything I've ever connected to on this laptop. In the past I've downloaded a small application that was specifically build to clean up that list (so apparently other people have the same problem). It turns out you can just open the list, hover over a server name and press delete on your keyboard and it'll be gone (without warning). My life would've looked a lot different had I learned about this some nine years ago :wtf: I'm not sure in what version of SSMS this was introduced, but it seems it's been available for at least five years.

                      Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Continuous Integration, Delivery, and Deployment arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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                      Nick Schwertfeger
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                        Sander Rossel
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                        Did you forget your meds? :confused:

                        Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Continuous Integration, Delivery, and Deployment arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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