Dontcha just love the way...
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The funniest is that Trump claims on a regular basis that China is paying billions to the US because of tariffs. What a fucking moron.
Please give a link to where has he claimed that. BTW, I agree, it will be consumers who pay the tarrifs. Kinda stoopid. This will only hurt China if a competing product is available.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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The funniest is that Trump claims on a regular basis that China is paying billions to the US because of tariffs. What a fucking moron.
I like this idea: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/12/sen-rick-scott-china-tariffs-collected-should-be-given-as-tax-cuts.html[^]
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Pretty sure JSOP didn't do any of those things. So why don't you also shut up since your ancestors and country and ancestor's countries once did some crap that was really bad.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
I am not worthy of being insulted by JSOP himself, so he is sending his minion after me.
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
Pretty sure JSOP didn't do any of those things.
Never pretended he did it personally.
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
So why don't you also shut up since your ancestors and country and ancestor's countries once did some crap that was really bad.
According to history, my ancestors were pretty friendly with some natives, but in war with others, usually because they would fight the enemies of the natives they were friends with. With the English, that was another story. They did pretty bad things to my ancestors and to the natives. On the other, I agree that my ancestors (or rather my ancestors' country) did pretty bad things to the African and Asians.
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Please give a link to where has he claimed that. BTW, I agree, it will be consumers who pay the tarrifs. Kinda stoopid. This will only hurt China if a competing product is available.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
He claims that farmers will get help from "big tariff money coming in":[Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "Our economy is the best in the world, by far. Lowest unemployment ever within almost all categories. Poised for big growth after trade deals are completed. Import prices down, China eating Tariffs. Helping targeted Farmer](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1163169730477395968) A gift from China:[Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "Through massive devaluation of their currency and pumping vast sums of money into their system, the tens of billions of dollars that the U.S. is receiving is a gift from China. Prices not up, no inflation. Farmers getting](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1161258370478858240) And here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/02/22/trumps-repeated-claim-that-china-paying-billions-tariffs-treasury/?noredirect=on And here, he LITERALLY says it: [Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "For 10 months, China has been paying Tariffs to the USA of 25% on 50 Billion Dollars of High Tech, and 10% on 200 Billion Dollars of other goods. These payments are partially responsible for our great economic results. Th](https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1125069835044573186?lang=en)
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I like this idea: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/12/sen-rick-scott-china-tariffs-collected-should-be-given-as-tax-cuts.html[^]
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
Interesting, but don't you think it would defeat the purpose of tariffs? I am not an economist, but the idea of tariffs is to discourage people from buying goods from foreign countries and encourage them to buy goods produced locally (or from a more economically friendly country). And maybe hurt the tariffed country economically. Consumers getting tax cuts when they buy chinese goods makes no sense. If the American people want to make a difference, they should stop buying Chinese products, tariff or not. In my household, we limit buying what is made abroad. Not always possible, but we do our best.
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I am not worthy of being insulted by JSOP himself, so he is sending his minion after me.
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
Pretty sure JSOP didn't do any of those things.
Never pretended he did it personally.
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
So why don't you also shut up since your ancestors and country and ancestor's countries once did some crap that was really bad.
According to history, my ancestors were pretty friendly with some natives, but in war with others, usually because they would fight the enemies of the natives they were friends with. With the English, that was another story. They did pretty bad things to my ancestors and to the natives. On the other, I agree that my ancestors (or rather my ancestors' country) did pretty bad things to the African and Asians.
And your current generation has made it illegal to put a sign on your business in the language of your choice. And if you wear any overt religious symbols (turbans, crosses, yarmulke, etc) you are not welcome in the public service or as a teacher. You guys are awesome!
This space for rent.
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Interesting, but don't you think it would defeat the purpose of tariffs? I am not an economist, but the idea of tariffs is to discourage people from buying goods from foreign countries and encourage them to buy goods produced locally (or from a more economically friendly country). And maybe hurt the tariffed country economically. Consumers getting tax cuts when they buy chinese goods makes no sense. If the American people want to make a difference, they should stop buying Chinese products, tariff or not. In my household, we limit buying what is made abroad. Not always possible, but we do our best.
Yeah, I agree, mostly, but it's not always possible as you noted.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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MarkTJohnson wrote:
Apple to make their product in America. Wouldn't have a tariff on those phones.
No the wouldn't, but the effect would be the same: higher costs.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
So some useless piece of fashion accessory/complete waste of time (an iPhone ) goes from 800 to 850 bucks? Wow, thats fucking scary! /sarcasm
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I am not worthy of being insulted by JSOP himself, so he is sending his minion after me.
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
Pretty sure JSOP didn't do any of those things.
Never pretended he did it personally.
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
So why don't you also shut up since your ancestors and country and ancestor's countries once did some crap that was really bad.
According to history, my ancestors were pretty friendly with some natives, but in war with others, usually because they would fight the enemies of the natives they were friends with. With the English, that was another story. They did pretty bad things to my ancestors and to the natives. On the other, I agree that my ancestors (or rather my ancestors' country) did pretty bad things to the African and Asians.
Dont forget in the US the treaty the British had with the natives stopped the possession and exploitation of that native land. This was one of the many reasons the Bostonians fomented a rebellion. I am not saying the British always did it right, but it did things far better than any other European colonial power (And I heard this from a Cote d'Ivoire native, a black guy, who knew just how much they suffered under the French). France was a threat to Britains global trade. We kicked its arse, many many times, including taking Canada off them. :)
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The funniest is that Trump claims on a regular basis that China is paying billions to the US because of tariffs. What a fucking moron.
So there is zero import duty on goods made in China being imported to the US?
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MarkTJohnson wrote:
Apple to make their product in America. Wouldn't have a tariff on those phones.
No the wouldn't, but the effect would be the same: higher costs.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
No the wouldn't, but the effect would be the same: higher costs.
Exactly, they take a phone that costs $200 to make and sell it for $1000. There is no way such a business model could possibly incur extra costs and not pass them on to the consumer.
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
No the wouldn't, but the effect would be the same: higher costs.
Exactly, they take a phone that costs $200 to make and sell it for $1000. There is no way such a business model could possibly incur extra costs and not pass them on to the consumer.
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So some useless piece of fashion accessory/complete waste of time (an iPhone ) goes from 800 to 850 bucks? Wow, thats fucking scary! /sarcasm
LOL. I was speaking of costs to Apple, but yeah they may pass-on the cost to consumers (which is usually the case). But, yeah, LOL.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
No the wouldn't, but the effect would be the same: higher costs.
Exactly, they take a phone that costs $200 to make and sell it for $1000. There is no way such a business model could possibly incur extra costs and not pass them on to the consumer.
I smell sarcasm. Whether or not they pass-on the cost to the consumer is irrelevant to the point of whether or not Apple's costs would increase.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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And your current generation has made it illegal to put a sign on your business in the language of your choice. And if you wear any overt religious symbols (turbans, crosses, yarmulke, etc) you are not welcome in the public service or as a teacher. You guys are awesome!
This space for rent.
DRHuff wrote:
And your current generation has made it illegal to put a sign on your business in the language of your choice. And if you wear any overt religious symbols (turbans, crosses, yarmulke, etc) you are not welcome in the public service or as a teacher.
Although you said that with the intention of saying "in your face", give a chance to explain some facts to you. First, if I remember well, you are from Alberta, right? I know that since years there is some resentment towards Québec, especially because of the equalization formula, and that is understandable. I have never been in Alberta. Have you ever been in Québec? So, as for the language thing, you are referring to Loi 101. They choose the number 101 because of its resemblance to the word "Loi", which means "Bill" (also "Law", but in this context it was meant to replace the word "Bill"). It is false that it is illegal to put a sign in the language of your choice. The only restriction is that you must have the equivalent in French. This is not respected by many business, take a walk in Montreal downtown and you will see. The law also forbids having English-only employees that serve clients in retail. Which, like the other one, is not respected either. Another point is English education. If you want your child to be educated in English, you must, yourself and/or your spouse, have been educated in English in Canada. If you are an immigrant, your children must be educated in French if you they go to a subsidized school. You can have them educated in the language of your choice, by paying full price, for at least a year (not sure about the timeline), and then they can go to whatever school they want after. Some choose to do so. You have to know some Québec history of why it came to this. You should read about the [Durham Report | The Canadian Encyclopedia](https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/durham-report) to understand the resentment of French Canadians towards the English. Things have evolved since, but French Canadians outside Québec are still fighting for their rights. Take the example of Ontario. Twenty years ago, the Ontario government had to close one hospital in Ontario. Guess what, they chose Montfort, the only French-speaking hospital in Ontario. It is a modern hospital, with very good health services. And the Ford government cancelled a French university projects and some services for the French-speaking people. If they give him way, he will re-instate the
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Dont forget in the US the treaty the British had with the natives stopped the possession and exploitation of that native land. This was one of the many reasons the Bostonians fomented a rebellion. I am not saying the British always did it right, but it did things far better than any other European colonial power (And I heard this from a Cote d'Ivoire native, a black guy, who knew just how much they suffered under the French). France was a threat to Britains global trade. We kicked its arse, many many times, including taking Canada off them. :)
Munchies_Matt wrote:
We kicked its arse, many many times, including taking Canada off them
We can still feel it today.
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Yeah, I agree, mostly, but it's not always possible as you noted.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
Do you allow me to frame this answer. It is not every day you agree with me ;)
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So there is zero import duty on goods made in China being imported to the US?
Munchies_Matt wrote:
So there is zero import duty on goods made in China being imported to the US?
They are not paid by China, but by US importers and customers. I am not really against tariffs, but lying to Americans saying that China is paying them is unacceptable.
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Do you allow me to frame this answer. It is not every day you agree with me ;)
:thumbsup: :laugh:
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
We kicked its arse, many many times, including taking Canada off them
We can still feel it today.
Nah, you cant. We left you keep your language and religion didnt we, your culture and cuisine. We didnt force you to change, like so many other colonial powers insisted on.