Dontcha just love the way...
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...that it takes a visit from "Tim Apple" for Trumpty Dumbty to grasp a concept that the rest of us understood years ago. Apple CEO Tim Cook makes 'very compelling' argument against tariffs, Trump says - CNN[^] :thumbsup:
One morning I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got in my pajamas, I don't know.
The funniest is that Trump claims on a regular basis that China is paying billions to the US because of tariffs. What a fucking moron.
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Not necessarily. It's been hinted that Apple / FoxConn have been automating at a massive scale. Robots in China are no cheaper than robots elsewhere.
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They are, but you need to define "massive". There is still a lot of manual labor involved, and the difference in cost is still way to high. BTW, check with some people how it goes with Foxconn in Madison Wisconsin. They were supposed to get 13000 jobs.
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You're from where again? Oh, that's right - not the US. Your opinion doesn't really count or matter here (in the US, that is).
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Pretty ironic coming from a citizen of a country notorious to get involved into the affairs of other countries. You know, like invading to steal oil, topple democratically elected governments to replace them with dictators, etc. At least, we are only expressing an opinion. If you don't like it, just don't read it. Don't be a jackass.
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MarkTJohnson wrote:
Apple to make their product in America. Wouldn't have a tariff on those phones.
No the wouldn't, but the effect would be the same: higher costs.
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Apple could keep the consumer price the same and just make less on each unit. Didn't they become a Trillion dollar company a couple of years ago? Or are you okay with workers making slave wages as long as it doesn't effect you?
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Apple could keep the consumer price the same and just make less on each unit. Didn't they become a Trillion dollar company a couple of years ago? Or are you okay with workers making slave wages as long as it doesn't effect you?
You're right, they could. However, that's irrelevant to the point about costs. How they decide to cover the costs by passing them on to the consumer or by absorbing them altogether is a different argument. But whether or not they do, my post is still valid. Well, maybe not, if you consider automation.
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Pretty ironic coming from a citizen of a country notorious to get involved into the affairs of other countries. You know, like invading to steal oil, topple democratically elected governments to replace them with dictators, etc. At least, we are only expressing an opinion. If you don't like it, just don't read it. Don't be a jackass.
Pretty sure JSOP didn't do any of those things. So why don't you also shut up since your ancestors and country and ancestor's countries once did some crap that was really bad.
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The funniest is that Trump claims on a regular basis that China is paying billions to the US because of tariffs. What a fucking moron.
Please give a link to where has he claimed that. BTW, I agree, it will be consumers who pay the tarrifs. Kinda stoopid. This will only hurt China if a competing product is available.
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The funniest is that Trump claims on a regular basis that China is paying billions to the US because of tariffs. What a fucking moron.
I like this idea: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/12/sen-rick-scott-china-tariffs-collected-should-be-given-as-tax-cuts.html[^]
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Pretty sure JSOP didn't do any of those things. So why don't you also shut up since your ancestors and country and ancestor's countries once did some crap that was really bad.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
I am not worthy of being insulted by JSOP himself, so he is sending his minion after me.
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
Pretty sure JSOP didn't do any of those things.
Never pretended he did it personally.
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
So why don't you also shut up since your ancestors and country and ancestor's countries once did some crap that was really bad.
According to history, my ancestors were pretty friendly with some natives, but in war with others, usually because they would fight the enemies of the natives they were friends with. With the English, that was another story. They did pretty bad things to my ancestors and to the natives. On the other, I agree that my ancestors (or rather my ancestors' country) did pretty bad things to the African and Asians.
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Please give a link to where has he claimed that. BTW, I agree, it will be consumers who pay the tarrifs. Kinda stoopid. This will only hurt China if a competing product is available.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
He claims that farmers will get help from "big tariff money coming in":[Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "Our economy is the best in the world, by far. Lowest unemployment ever within almost all categories. Poised for big growth after trade deals are completed. Import prices down, China eating Tariffs. Helping targeted Farmer](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1163169730477395968) A gift from China:[Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "Through massive devaluation of their currency and pumping vast sums of money into their system, the tens of billions of dollars that the U.S. is receiving is a gift from China. Prices not up, no inflation. Farmers getting](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1161258370478858240) And here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/02/22/trumps-repeated-claim-that-china-paying-billions-tariffs-treasury/?noredirect=on And here, he LITERALLY says it: [Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "For 10 months, China has been paying Tariffs to the USA of 25% on 50 Billion Dollars of High Tech, and 10% on 200 Billion Dollars of other goods. These payments are partially responsible for our great economic results. Th](https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1125069835044573186?lang=en)
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I like this idea: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/12/sen-rick-scott-china-tariffs-collected-should-be-given-as-tax-cuts.html[^]
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Interesting, but don't you think it would defeat the purpose of tariffs? I am not an economist, but the idea of tariffs is to discourage people from buying goods from foreign countries and encourage them to buy goods produced locally (or from a more economically friendly country). And maybe hurt the tariffed country economically. Consumers getting tax cuts when they buy chinese goods makes no sense. If the American people want to make a difference, they should stop buying Chinese products, tariff or not. In my household, we limit buying what is made abroad. Not always possible, but we do our best.
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I am not worthy of being insulted by JSOP himself, so he is sending his minion after me.
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
Pretty sure JSOP didn't do any of those things.
Never pretended he did it personally.
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
So why don't you also shut up since your ancestors and country and ancestor's countries once did some crap that was really bad.
According to history, my ancestors were pretty friendly with some natives, but in war with others, usually because they would fight the enemies of the natives they were friends with. With the English, that was another story. They did pretty bad things to my ancestors and to the natives. On the other, I agree that my ancestors (or rather my ancestors' country) did pretty bad things to the African and Asians.
And your current generation has made it illegal to put a sign on your business in the language of your choice. And if you wear any overt religious symbols (turbans, crosses, yarmulke, etc) you are not welcome in the public service or as a teacher. You guys are awesome!
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Interesting, but don't you think it would defeat the purpose of tariffs? I am not an economist, but the idea of tariffs is to discourage people from buying goods from foreign countries and encourage them to buy goods produced locally (or from a more economically friendly country). And maybe hurt the tariffed country economically. Consumers getting tax cuts when they buy chinese goods makes no sense. If the American people want to make a difference, they should stop buying Chinese products, tariff or not. In my household, we limit buying what is made abroad. Not always possible, but we do our best.
Yeah, I agree, mostly, but it's not always possible as you noted.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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MarkTJohnson wrote:
Apple to make their product in America. Wouldn't have a tariff on those phones.
No the wouldn't, but the effect would be the same: higher costs.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
So some useless piece of fashion accessory/complete waste of time (an iPhone ) goes from 800 to 850 bucks? Wow, thats fucking scary! /sarcasm
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I am not worthy of being insulted by JSOP himself, so he is sending his minion after me.
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
Pretty sure JSOP didn't do any of those things.
Never pretended he did it personally.
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
So why don't you also shut up since your ancestors and country and ancestor's countries once did some crap that was really bad.
According to history, my ancestors were pretty friendly with some natives, but in war with others, usually because they would fight the enemies of the natives they were friends with. With the English, that was another story. They did pretty bad things to my ancestors and to the natives. On the other, I agree that my ancestors (or rather my ancestors' country) did pretty bad things to the African and Asians.
Dont forget in the US the treaty the British had with the natives stopped the possession and exploitation of that native land. This was one of the many reasons the Bostonians fomented a rebellion. I am not saying the British always did it right, but it did things far better than any other European colonial power (And I heard this from a Cote d'Ivoire native, a black guy, who knew just how much they suffered under the French). France was a threat to Britains global trade. We kicked its arse, many many times, including taking Canada off them. :)
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The funniest is that Trump claims on a regular basis that China is paying billions to the US because of tariffs. What a fucking moron.
So there is zero import duty on goods made in China being imported to the US?
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MarkTJohnson wrote:
Apple to make their product in America. Wouldn't have a tariff on those phones.
No the wouldn't, but the effect would be the same: higher costs.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
No the wouldn't, but the effect would be the same: higher costs.
Exactly, they take a phone that costs $200 to make and sell it for $1000. There is no way such a business model could possibly incur extra costs and not pass them on to the consumer.
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
No the wouldn't, but the effect would be the same: higher costs.
Exactly, they take a phone that costs $200 to make and sell it for $1000. There is no way such a business model could possibly incur extra costs and not pass them on to the consumer.
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So some useless piece of fashion accessory/complete waste of time (an iPhone ) goes from 800 to 850 bucks? Wow, thats fucking scary! /sarcasm
LOL. I was speaking of costs to Apple, but yeah they may pass-on the cost to consumers (which is usually the case). But, yeah, LOL.
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
No the wouldn't, but the effect would be the same: higher costs.
Exactly, they take a phone that costs $200 to make and sell it for $1000. There is no way such a business model could possibly incur extra costs and not pass them on to the consumer.
I smell sarcasm. Whether or not they pass-on the cost to the consumer is irrelevant to the point of whether or not Apple's costs would increase.
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