Left or right or not?
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[Note: Less than a week left to discuss this.] There's the Left Wing; there's the Right Wing... that seems to be about it in the US. In Britain and Europe there's a lot of people in between, more central in their politics. We need to create a Demoblican Party for those of us who do not espouse extreme positions. We also need a better name for it; "Repucrat" just doesn't work either. Any suggestions? Who would join such a party?
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For a long time, now, I've describe myself as a Left-Wing Conservative . . .or was that Right Wing Liberal. I forget which. Pretty much, I follow my own path (and can gripe about anyone).
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Forogar wrote:
There's the Left Wing; there's the Right Wing... that seems to be about it in the US.
Unlike genders, there are more than 2 political ideologies. Even in the US.
In the US, the largest political party usually seems to be those who don't vote.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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True but it is exactly what the DNC & MSM are pushing. They are selling the story that all conservatives (hell, all non-Democrats) are gun-toting, bible thumping, climate hating, abortion banning, misogynist, racist, neo-Nazi fascists. But don't make a big deal about it because this trope is exactly what's going to force Democrats even further into obscurity and irrelevance. While there is a VERY TINY percentage of hard-core ultra right wing zealots that check all those boxes the VAST MAJORITY of non-Democrats are nothing even close and they are personally insulted by the left's efforts to paint them as such. Basket of deplorables my ass!
Agree 100%
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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That pretty much covers it.
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
Only to people like you who are so extremly left-wing you make JFK seem like a right-winger.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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For a long time, now, I've describe myself as a Left-Wing Conservative . . .or was that Right Wing Liberal. I forget which. Pretty much, I follow my own path (and can gripe about anyone).
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
I always considered myself a "moderate". I don't hear/read that term much these days.
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Only to people like you who are so extremly left-wing you make JFK seem like a right-winger.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
There's nothing extreme about UHC. The white nationalism of the current Republican party is extremist.
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
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True but it is exactly what the DNC & MSM are pushing. They are selling the story that all conservatives (hell, all non-Democrats) are gun-toting, bible thumping, climate hating, abortion banning, misogynist, racist, neo-Nazi fascists. But don't make a big deal about it because this trope is exactly what's going to force Democrats even further into obscurity and irrelevance. While there is a VERY TINY percentage of hard-core ultra right wing zealots that check all those boxes the VAST MAJORITY of non-Democrats are nothing even close and they are personally insulted by the left's efforts to paint them as such. Basket of deplorables my ass!
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I always considered myself a "moderate". I don't hear/read that term much these days.
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There's nothing extreme about UHC. The white nationalism of the current Republican party is extremist.
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
Majerus wrote:
There's nothing extreme about UHC.
Nonresponsive and irrelevant.
Majerus wrote:
white nationalism of the current Republican party is extremist.
White nationalism is extremist. And yes, some very few people who claim to be Republicans are white nationalists. That they have the loudest voices right now is true, just like the extreme lefties have loudest super-loud voices. Doesn't mean everyone of either side agrees with or thinks or acts like them.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Hmmm... I wonder if "The Moderate Party" would gain any traction.
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Also known as "Independent"
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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No, it's not that simple. If that were true, we wouldn't have Medicare and Medicaid and yet we do. We can pay for UHC. There are a lot of stakeholders who wish to keep the status quo and that is why I said that politics will make implementing UHC difficult but not impossible.
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
I guess you've never heard of cost shifting. The fact is the costs that Medicare and Medicaid refuse to pay gets passed on to those who unknowingly do pay for it: those on private insurance. I think one of the ways to bring down healthcare costs is to mandate pricing transparency and to have such prices broken down into how the prices are determined, i.e., what costs is the provider using to determine the prices.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Majerus wrote:
There's nothing extreme about UHC.
Nonresponsive and irrelevant.
Majerus wrote:
white nationalism of the current Republican party is extremist.
White nationalism is extremist. And yes, some very few people who claim to be Republicans are white nationalists. That they have the loudest voices right now is true, just like the extreme lefties have loudest super-loud voices. Doesn't mean everyone of either side agrees with or thinks or acts like them.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
Nonresponsive and irrelevant.
Responsive and relevant.
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
White nationalism is extremist.
Indeed. And 60 million people voted for a white nationalist and still support him. There is no difference between being a white nationalist and supporting white nationalist policies.
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
just like the extreme lefties have loudest super-loud voices.
UHC is still not extremist.
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
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I guess you've never heard of cost shifting. The fact is the costs that Medicare and Medicaid refuse to pay gets passed on to those who unknowingly do pay for it: those on private insurance. I think one of the ways to bring down healthcare costs is to mandate pricing transparency and to have such prices broken down into how the prices are determined, i.e., what costs is the provider using to determine the prices.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
I have. The limited studies of it don't suggest it is a significant issue that would skew the reality of Medicare and Medicaid holding down cost much better than private insurance.
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
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In the United States for health care costs to be lowered means the medical field, especially doctors and specialists need to take smaller paychecks. Medical supplies again is too expensive in the United States. As of right now, this second, UHC would never work. edit: let's not even discuss pharmaceuticals/Rx in the United States. way more expensive than in Europe, etc. especially with diabetes.
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
Nonresponsive and irrelevant.
Responsive and relevant.
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
White nationalism is extremist.
Indeed. And 60 million people voted for a white nationalist and still support him. There is no difference between being a white nationalist and supporting white nationalist policies.
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
just like the extreme lefties have loudest super-loud voices.
UHC is still not extremist.
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
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Majerus wrote:
There is no difference between being a white nationalist and supporting white nationalist policies.
It's this kind of nonsense that is going to win Trump re-election. You clowns are your own worst enemy! :laugh: :laugh:
If The Combover Con Artist wins reelection it will be because white nationalists voted for him. No one will make any of those voters vote for him.
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
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If The Combover Con Artist wins reelection it will be because white nationalists voted for him. No one will make any of those voters vote for him.
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
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You, your party, your candidate(s) and your media are alienating 10's of millions of normal average people (of all races) who lean conservative by calling them racists. Surely even you can see how absolutely idiotic that is? Right?
Nonsense. Anyone who votes for the white nationalist will do so because they want to not because someone called them a name.
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
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Nonsense. Anyone who votes for the white nationalist will do so because they want to not because someone called them a name.
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
The thing is they know Trump is not a white nationalist yet your ilk is calling them white nationalists just because you falsely accuse him. This is the absolute dumbest campaign strategy I've ever seen come from a major political party. I'd swear the DNC was being run by 3rd graders.
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The thing is they know Trump is not a white nationalist yet your ilk is calling them white nationalists just because you falsely accuse him. This is the absolute dumbest campaign strategy I've ever seen come from a major political party. I'd swear the DNC was being run by 3rd graders.
Il Douche is a white nationalist and that's the base he plays to.
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt