Left or right or not?
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Forogar wrote:
us who do not espouse extreme positions
Conservatives. People who dont want much change, like things as they were, and dont like extremes. :)
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I'm not sure what you're trying to say here other than 'if you want to lower costs, you will have to lower costs'.
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
Health care is so expensive in the United States and the number on reason why the Government can't pay for universal health care is because the doctors don't want to make it cheaper. Supply companies don't want to make it cheaper. $$$$$ The government can't afford it currently. UHC will NEVER happen in this country. Please try to keep up. :sigh:
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especially doctors and specialists need to take smaller paychecks.
A doctor friend of mine told me that 80% of his costs running a practice is insurance - mostly against dumb people who will sue him for not curing their common cold immediately (or whatever).
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
Forogar wrote:
dumb people who will sue
that too.
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Health care is so expensive in the United States and the number on reason why the Government can't pay for universal health care is because the doctors don't want to make it cheaper. Supply companies don't want to make it cheaper. $$$$$ The government can't afford it currently. UHC will NEVER happen in this country. Please try to keep up. :sigh:
No, it's not that simple. If that were true, we wouldn't have Medicare and Medicaid and yet we do. We can pay for UHC. There are a lot of stakeholders who wish to keep the status quo and that is why I said that politics will make implementing UHC difficult but not impossible.
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
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#realJSOP wrote:
The US isn't "other countries".
There is nothing unique about the US that forces healthcare costs to be high.
#realJSOP wrote:
Universal health care won't change that fact.
Yeah, it will. Medicare is very similar to UHC and costs are lower.
#realJSOP wrote:
Pharmacueticals are also too expensive.
Right now the government is forbidden by law from negotiating prices for drugs. That can easily change.
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
Majerus wrote:
There is nothing unique about the US that forces healthcare costs to be high.
For anything but shot wounds ;)
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In the US, "Conservatives" seems to mean extreme right-wingers.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
Wrong.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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In the US, "Conservatives" seems to mean extreme right-wingers.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
That is the liberal media brainwashing you. big difference between Conservatives and "extreme" right wingers.
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In the US, "Conservatives" seems to mean extreme right-wingers.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
That pretty much covers it.
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
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Wrong.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
True but it is exactly what the DNC & MSM are pushing. They are selling the story that all conservatives (hell, all non-Democrats) are gun-toting, bible thumping, climate hating, abortion banning, misogynist, racist, neo-Nazi fascists. But don't make a big deal about it because this trope is exactly what's going to force Democrats even further into obscurity and irrelevance. While there is a VERY TINY percentage of hard-core ultra right wing zealots that check all those boxes the VAST MAJORITY of non-Democrats are nothing even close and they are personally insulted by the left's efforts to paint them as such. Basket of deplorables my ass!
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[Note: Less than a week left to discuss this.] There's the Left Wing; there's the Right Wing... that seems to be about it in the US. In Britain and Europe there's a lot of people in between, more central in their politics. We need to create a Demoblican Party for those of us who do not espouse extreme positions. We also need a better name for it; "Repucrat" just doesn't work either. Any suggestions? Who would join such a party?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
For a long time, now, I've describe myself as a Left-Wing Conservative . . .or was that Right Wing Liberal. I forget which. Pretty much, I follow my own path (and can gripe about anyone).
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Forogar wrote:
There's the Left Wing; there's the Right Wing... that seems to be about it in the US.
Unlike genders, there are more than 2 political ideologies. Even in the US.
In the US, the largest political party usually seems to be those who don't vote.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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True but it is exactly what the DNC & MSM are pushing. They are selling the story that all conservatives (hell, all non-Democrats) are gun-toting, bible thumping, climate hating, abortion banning, misogynist, racist, neo-Nazi fascists. But don't make a big deal about it because this trope is exactly what's going to force Democrats even further into obscurity and irrelevance. While there is a VERY TINY percentage of hard-core ultra right wing zealots that check all those boxes the VAST MAJORITY of non-Democrats are nothing even close and they are personally insulted by the left's efforts to paint them as such. Basket of deplorables my ass!
Agree 100%
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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That pretty much covers it.
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
Only to people like you who are so extremly left-wing you make JFK seem like a right-winger.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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For a long time, now, I've describe myself as a Left-Wing Conservative . . .or was that Right Wing Liberal. I forget which. Pretty much, I follow my own path (and can gripe about anyone).
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
I always considered myself a "moderate". I don't hear/read that term much these days.
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Only to people like you who are so extremly left-wing you make JFK seem like a right-winger.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
There's nothing extreme about UHC. The white nationalism of the current Republican party is extremist.
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
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True but it is exactly what the DNC & MSM are pushing. They are selling the story that all conservatives (hell, all non-Democrats) are gun-toting, bible thumping, climate hating, abortion banning, misogynist, racist, neo-Nazi fascists. But don't make a big deal about it because this trope is exactly what's going to force Democrats even further into obscurity and irrelevance. While there is a VERY TINY percentage of hard-core ultra right wing zealots that check all those boxes the VAST MAJORITY of non-Democrats are nothing even close and they are personally insulted by the left's efforts to paint them as such. Basket of deplorables my ass!
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I always considered myself a "moderate". I don't hear/read that term much these days.
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There's nothing extreme about UHC. The white nationalism of the current Republican party is extremist.
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
Majerus wrote:
There's nothing extreme about UHC.
Nonresponsive and irrelevant.
Majerus wrote:
white nationalism of the current Republican party is extremist.
White nationalism is extremist. And yes, some very few people who claim to be Republicans are white nationalists. That they have the loudest voices right now is true, just like the extreme lefties have loudest super-loud voices. Doesn't mean everyone of either side agrees with or thinks or acts like them.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Hmmm... I wonder if "The Moderate Party" would gain any traction.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
Also known as "Independent"
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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No, it's not that simple. If that were true, we wouldn't have Medicare and Medicaid and yet we do. We can pay for UHC. There are a lot of stakeholders who wish to keep the status quo and that is why I said that politics will make implementing UHC difficult but not impossible.
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
I guess you've never heard of cost shifting. The fact is the costs that Medicare and Medicaid refuse to pay gets passed on to those who unknowingly do pay for it: those on private insurance. I think one of the ways to bring down healthcare costs is to mandate pricing transparency and to have such prices broken down into how the prices are determined, i.e., what costs is the provider using to determine the prices.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
