Aliens could be living among us on Earth
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I didn't say they didn't exist. I said that someone's gonna have to prove to me that they are living among us. Again - I'm willing to believe they do, but I want proof.
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but I want proof.
I know. That's what my comment was about. Never mind.
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MarkTJohnson wrote:
if they do exist and are on this planet, would be tangible so show them.
It's funny how people limit other life forms possibilities based on their own knowledge.
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I think it's fair to presume they do not absent evidence, but one must be willing to change their beliefs in light of evidence. I also think it's a league too far to claim they do not exist absent evidence. I agree with you on that score. That said, a presumption and an absolute claim are two different things, I think. A presumption isn't necessarily based in fact, but in expediency. It would probably be counterproductive to go through life assuming there were aliens among us. For starters, people will think you're crazy. :laugh:
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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Huh? I was just referring to his signature. We're both left handed.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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Well, in fairness I did find the reply slightly humorous too. For my part I think it's fair to presume aliens are not among us absent evidence, but it's not entirely reasonable to make a claim that they do not exist among us absent evidence. It's overplaying one's hand. One might say it's unlikely, of course.
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I think it's fair to presume they do not absent evidence, but one must be willing to change their beliefs in light of evidence. I also think it's a league too far to claim they do not exist absent evidence. I agree with you on that score. That said, a presumption and an absolute claim are two different things, I think. A presumption isn't necessarily based in fact, but in expediency. It would probably be counterproductive to go through life assuming there were aliens among us. For starters, people will think you're crazy. :laugh:
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honey the codewitch wrote:
absent evidence,
The funny thing about evidence is that it is subjective.
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honey the codewitch wrote:
absent evidence,
The funny thing about evidence is that it is subjective.
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Yes and no. Generally when evaluating evidence, the parties involved must agree on what constitutes evidence and the relative strengths of these. In things like physics and neuroscience we use P values. Outside science, such as in informal debate we primarily rely on the use of logical propositions, and with questions of fact themselves again, the parties must agree on what constitutes evidence. But within any arena, it is possible to come to that agreement, and it's little different than simply agreeing on the terms of debate more generally.
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Well, in fairness I did find the reply slightly humorous too. For my part I think it's fair to presume aliens are not among us absent evidence, but it's not entirely reasonable to make a claim that they do not exist among us absent evidence. It's overplaying one's hand. One might say it's unlikely, of course.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
Proving a negative (outside a formal realm like mathematics) is impossible, which is why it's up to someone who asserts something to offer evidence. Otherwise you get things like, "The world is run by shape-shifting Reptilians." And I'm surprised you bothered to deny being the Reptilian Queen, because everyone knows it's Queen Elizabeth.
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Proving a negative (outside a formal realm like mathematics) is impossible, which is why it's up to someone who asserts something to offer evidence. Otherwise you get things like, "The world is run by shape-shifting Reptilians." And I'm surprised you bothered to deny being the Reptilian Queen, because everyone knows it's Queen Elizabeth.
Well, it's impossible perhaps and yet just the same, all I'm saying is that asserting something does not exist is also a claim and would require evidence. That it's a difficult or impossible claim to support really doesn't change that, as far as I'm concerned. But that's why I try to avoid saying things like "aliens don't exist" or even "there are no gods" - regardless of likelihood. Life is one of the most unlikely events we know about, and yet here we are. Now, that doesn't mean I operate on the assumption that those things do exist, but I wouldn't say that they don't definitively, if that makes sense. And queen elizabeth is a cutout. ;)
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Aliens definitely exist and they could be living among us on Earth, says astronaut Helen Sharman[^] [CNN] /ravi
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And we wonder why Trump voters say CNN is fake news....
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musefan wrote:
How do you know for sure that we (humans) didn't come from another planet? Maybe some biological substance was attached to the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs and we evolved from that?
We know nothing "for sure"; but if we were aliens we'd not share this much DNA with life as it evolved here. I do like the fact that se thinks her gender is somehow important.
musefan wrote:
Same applies to any of the species on earth really, how do we know this is their origin planet?
Early life was not spacefaring or sentient.
musefan wrote:
I think humans are so fascinated by the thought of aliens visiting
Mostly fantasy and arrogance. There's an entire ecosystem in your guts. It may just be they build their colonies in our shit.
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As a matter of fact, the rare-earth-hypothesis is scientifically solid (unproven, just like the aliens, but solid) and predicts the exact opposite.
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This is what happens when you let women go to space.
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A claim of aliens living among us is simply conjecture and speculation based on hearsay and opinion. To the person making the statement, I say prove it with tangible and irrefutable evidence, or STFU. Simple as that. I'm willing to believe, but I need to see proof.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013I've got relatives who claim that they have proof in a book. It is supposed to be sufficient proof that a non-human fellow coming from above is living among us, so strong that they devote their life to it. The problem is that I never get to meet this fellow, yet they claim he is present.
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A claim of aliens living among us is simply conjecture and speculation based on hearsay and opinion. To the person making the statement, I say prove it with tangible and irrefutable evidence, or STFU. Simple as that. I'm willing to believe, but I need to see proof.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
A bit strong saying there 'are no two ways about it' - show me the certain proof, although I agree the chances of there not being life in other parts of the Universe are vanishingly small. But from what I can tell, everything we know about physics suggests that if aliens exist, then they're too far away to visit us. That, or we may not be worth the effort/costs involved, there are probably nicer places nearer. Otherwise with so much life probably out there, we'd be awash with alien tourism if the physics permitted (and not just North America).
Regards, Rob Philpott.
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#realJSOP wrote:
CNN? Fake news.
But it can't be fake! FOX News reported it. :)
- Aliens definitely exist and they could be living among us on Earth, says Britain’s first astronaut[^] [FOX News]
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Not that it's any more or less credible, but that's a Fox network website and not the Fox News website.
