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  • H honey the codewitch

    I just get visual studio installed and then they want me to update. The updates take far too long, IMO. I get frustrated because I can't code while it's updating but the only time i'm notified of updates is when I'm ready to sit down and code! otherwise i wouldn't open VS in the first place. Since I'm driving my source repos from GitHub anyway I think I have a mid to long term fix. This year I should be getting a new dev machine with at least 32GB of RAM. That way I should be able to run multiple VMs. I can install on one VM while coding on the other and swap out of the image when its done. It's silly that I'd have to do it this way, but at least it's a way forward. Why visual studio? why?

    Steve Wozniak is the only thing at Apple that isn't evil.

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    Herman T Instance
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    And after the installation; please reboot NOW! It stays Windows....Loves to stick to it bad habits

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    • H honey the codewitch

      I just get visual studio installed and then they want me to update. The updates take far too long, IMO. I get frustrated because I can't code while it's updating but the only time i'm notified of updates is when I'm ready to sit down and code! otherwise i wouldn't open VS in the first place. Since I'm driving my source repos from GitHub anyway I think I have a mid to long term fix. This year I should be getting a new dev machine with at least 32GB of RAM. That way I should be able to run multiple VMs. I can install on one VM while coding on the other and swap out of the image when its done. It's silly that I'd have to do it this way, but at least it's a way forward. Why visual studio? why?

      Steve Wozniak is the only thing at Apple that isn't evil.

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      Sander Rossel
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      The big updates take me about five minutes... I must say I never have a problem with updates. Take a break, get something to drink, stop by in the Lounge... :rolleyes:

      Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Migrating Applications to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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      • H honey the codewitch

        I just get visual studio installed and then they want me to update. The updates take far too long, IMO. I get frustrated because I can't code while it's updating but the only time i'm notified of updates is when I'm ready to sit down and code! otherwise i wouldn't open VS in the first place. Since I'm driving my source repos from GitHub anyway I think I have a mid to long term fix. This year I should be getting a new dev machine with at least 32GB of RAM. That way I should be able to run multiple VMs. I can install on one VM while coding on the other and swap out of the image when its done. It's silly that I'd have to do it this way, but at least it's a way forward. Why visual studio? why?

        Steve Wozniak is the only thing at Apple that isn't evil.

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        Jorgen Andersson
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        Because visual Studio is still the best IDE with a wide margin!

        Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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        • H honey the codewitch

          I just get visual studio installed and then they want me to update. The updates take far too long, IMO. I get frustrated because I can't code while it's updating but the only time i'm notified of updates is when I'm ready to sit down and code! otherwise i wouldn't open VS in the first place. Since I'm driving my source repos from GitHub anyway I think I have a mid to long term fix. This year I should be getting a new dev machine with at least 32GB of RAM. That way I should be able to run multiple VMs. I can install on one VM while coding on the other and swap out of the image when its done. It's silly that I'd have to do it this way, but at least it's a way forward. Why visual studio? why?

          Steve Wozniak is the only thing at Apple that isn't evil.

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          Cp Coder
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          This morning's update took my machine less than 2 minutes. What's the big deal? :confused:

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          • J Jorgen Andersson

            Because visual Studio is still the best IDE with a wide margin!

            Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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            Cp Coder
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            Quote:

            Because visual Studio is still the best IDE with a wide margin!

            Hear! Hear! :thumbsup:

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            • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

              The big updates take me about five minutes... I must say I never have a problem with updates. Take a break, get something to drink, stop by in the Lounge... :rolleyes:

              Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Migrating Applications to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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              Slacker007
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              :thumbsup: Same here, never had an issue at all with internet speed, VS (or whatever) update speed, on both work and home machines.

              It's much easier to enjoy the favor of both friend and foe, and not give a damn who's who. -- Lon Milo DuQuette

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              • C Cp Coder

                This morning's update took my machine less than 2 minutes. What's the big deal? :confused:

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                honey the codewitch
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                I haven't run it yet, but last two updates i got were 1GB each

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                • R realJSOP

                  I run linux with a win7 vm for dev work on a 32gb box. I give the win7 vm four of the machines six cores and 24gb of RAM. I turn on internet access just long enough (one day per month) to get visual studio updates, and then turn it off again.

                  ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                  honey the codewitch
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                  My machine is currently an 8GB linux box with 5GB allocated to a win10 VM. It works better than you might expect but I don't want to try and run two at once!

                  Steve Wozniak is the only thing at Apple that isn't evil.

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                  • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                    The big updates take me about five minutes... I must say I never have a problem with updates. Take a break, get something to drink, stop by in the Lounge... :rolleyes:

                    Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Migrating Applications to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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                    honey the codewitch
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                    I don't have your connection speed. Mine is woeful, though i'll be upgrading this year. I am just loath to give comcast any more money.

                    Steve Wozniak is the only thing at Apple that isn't evil.

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                    • J Jorgen Andersson

                      Because visual Studio is still the best IDE with a wide margin!

                      Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                      honey the codewitch
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                      I mean, yes but...

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                      • R realJSOP

                        I run linux with a win7 vm for dev work on a 32gb box. I give the win7 vm four of the machines six cores and 24gb of RAM. I turn on internet access just long enough (one day per month) to get visual studio updates, and then turn it off again.

                        ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                        You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                        When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                        Lost User
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                        I do a similar thing, win 7, but only 2 (of 6) cores ... and I only just realised last weekend 2GB RAM - yes 2G - and it was still really responsive. one item that does (did) slow it down (even with more RAM) is the background updater

                        c:\program files (x86)\microsoft visual studio\installer\resources\app\servicehub\services\microsoft.visualstudio.setup.service\backgrounddownload.exe

                        (- with the network blocked it 'self-fixes' that by firing off even more instances :confused: ) Anyway I renamed that file (i.e. ".exe" -> ".noexe") and likewise only change the name back when I open the network for it to check/do updates. finally there's also an autostart service "Visual Studio Standard Collector Service 150" vs works absolutely fine without it (connected or no), seemingly does nothing .... comments indicate it can be a memory hog - I dislike useless baggage, akin to carrying a 'spare' tin of pink [house] roof paint in the car when your house's roof is concrete tiles. - "150" ???? set that service to disabled (and then just stop it, no reboot required.)

                        after many otherwise intelligent sounding suggestions that achieved nothing the nice folks at Technet said the only solution was to low level format my hard disk then reinstall my signature. Sadly, this still didn't fix the issue!

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                        • H honey the codewitch

                          I just get visual studio installed and then they want me to update. The updates take far too long, IMO. I get frustrated because I can't code while it's updating but the only time i'm notified of updates is when I'm ready to sit down and code! otherwise i wouldn't open VS in the first place. Since I'm driving my source repos from GitHub anyway I think I have a mid to long term fix. This year I should be getting a new dev machine with at least 32GB of RAM. That way I should be able to run multiple VMs. I can install on one VM while coding on the other and swap out of the image when its done. It's silly that I'd have to do it this way, but at least it's a way forward. Why visual studio? why?

                          Steve Wozniak is the only thing at Apple that isn't evil.

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                          Dan Neely
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                          Yeah, would be nice if a future update could allow the patches to be pushed via windows update and installed at the same time as your next planned restart. :sigh:

                          Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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                            Yeah, would be nice if a future update could allow the patches to be pushed via windows update and installed at the same time as your next planned restart. :sigh:

                            Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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                            honey the codewitch
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                            At least they don't force it on you and interrupt your work day, so there's that.

                            Steve Wozniak is the only thing at Apple that isn't evil.

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                            • H honey the codewitch

                              I haven't run it yet, but last two updates i got were 1GB each

                              Steve Wozniak is the only thing at Apple that isn't evil.

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                              Cp Coder
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                              I suppose the size depends on the collection of components you have. I only installed the C# Wpf, the C++ and the UWP components. I don't need anything else.

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                                I do a similar thing, win 7, but only 2 (of 6) cores ... and I only just realised last weekend 2GB RAM - yes 2G - and it was still really responsive. one item that does (did) slow it down (even with more RAM) is the background updater

                                c:\program files (x86)\microsoft visual studio\installer\resources\app\servicehub\services\microsoft.visualstudio.setup.service\backgrounddownload.exe

                                (- with the network blocked it 'self-fixes' that by firing off even more instances :confused: ) Anyway I renamed that file (i.e. ".exe" -> ".noexe") and likewise only change the name back when I open the network for it to check/do updates. finally there's also an autostart service "Visual Studio Standard Collector Service 150" vs works absolutely fine without it (connected or no), seemingly does nothing .... comments indicate it can be a memory hog - I dislike useless baggage, akin to carrying a 'spare' tin of pink [house] roof paint in the car when your house's roof is concrete tiles. - "150" ???? set that service to disabled (and then just stop it, no reboot required.)

                                after many otherwise intelligent sounding suggestions that achieved nothing the nice folks at Technet said the only solution was to low level format my hard disk then reinstall my signature. Sadly, this still didn't fix the issue!

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                                honey the codewitch
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                                Geez, 2GB with win and VS? I don't think I can get away with that since I do VSIX development which requires multiple instances of VS open. From my experience VS likes to eat between 1/4 and 1/2 GB depending on how it's feeling that day. Edit: I also have to use Chrome sometimes in the VM since firefox doesn't like the article submission wizard here at codeproject entirely. has problems pasting.

                                Steve Wozniak is the only thing at Apple that isn't evil.

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                                  I suppose the size depends on the collection of components you have. I only installed the C# Wpf, the C++ and the UWP components. I don't need anything else.

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                                  honey the codewitch
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                                  I have VSIX stuff and a bunch of C++ stuff so that's probably why. The MFC libs and headers alone are huge.

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                                  • H honey the codewitch

                                    I just get visual studio installed and then they want me to update. The updates take far too long, IMO. I get frustrated because I can't code while it's updating but the only time i'm notified of updates is when I'm ready to sit down and code! otherwise i wouldn't open VS in the first place. Since I'm driving my source repos from GitHub anyway I think I have a mid to long term fix. This year I should be getting a new dev machine with at least 32GB of RAM. That way I should be able to run multiple VMs. I can install on one VM while coding on the other and swap out of the image when its done. It's silly that I'd have to do it this way, but at least it's a way forward. Why visual studio? why?

                                    Steve Wozniak is the only thing at Apple that isn't evil.

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                                    RugbyLeague
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                                    I have the latest production VS and the latest preview VS - I can code with one while the other is updating

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                                    • H honey the codewitch

                                      Geez, 2GB with win and VS? I don't think I can get away with that since I do VSIX development which requires multiple instances of VS open. From my experience VS likes to eat between 1/4 and 1/2 GB depending on how it's feeling that day. Edit: I also have to use Chrome sometimes in the VM since firefox doesn't like the article submission wizard here at codeproject entirely. has problems pasting.

                                      Steve Wozniak is the only thing at Apple that isn't evil.

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                                      honey the codewitch wrote:

                                      Edit: I also have to use Chrome sometimes in the VM since firefox doesn't like the article submission wizard here at codeproject entirely. has problems pasting.

                                      That's another benefit of using VM, I run my browsers/email on the host. worth keeping what's installed on the guests to minimal requirements, cleaner, less to clone / snapshot or even rebuild, less chance of progs/installers interfering. - If you run databases worthwhile to install on host or separate guests, - also separate dev and test guests (common files/directories on host shared directories)

                                      after many otherwise intelligent sounding suggestions that achieved nothing the nice folks at Technet said the only solution was to low level format my hard disk then reinstall my signature. Sadly, this still didn't fix the issue!

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                                        Yeah, would be nice if a future update could allow the patches to be pushed via windows update and installed at the same time as your next planned restart. :sigh:

                                        Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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                                        Jorgen Andersson
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                                        Go to settings for Windows update and check "Recieve updates for other Microsoft products when you update Windows". Works for me.

                                        Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                                        • H honey the codewitch

                                          I mean, yes but...

                                          Steve Wozniak is the only thing at Apple that isn't evil.

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                                          Jorgen Andersson
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                                          There's always emacs. :)

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