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  • H honey the codewitch

    I just get visual studio installed and then they want me to update. The updates take far too long, IMO. I get frustrated because I can't code while it's updating but the only time i'm notified of updates is when I'm ready to sit down and code! otherwise i wouldn't open VS in the first place. Since I'm driving my source repos from GitHub anyway I think I have a mid to long term fix. This year I should be getting a new dev machine with at least 32GB of RAM. That way I should be able to run multiple VMs. I can install on one VM while coding on the other and swap out of the image when its done. It's silly that I'd have to do it this way, but at least it's a way forward. Why visual studio? why?

    Steve Wozniak is the only thing at Apple that isn't evil.

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    dandy72
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    VS updates work very differently than Windows updates, in terms of its insistence for getting them installed. Is there really any reason you can't postpone the VS updates until you're not going to be using your system? Most of the time I get update notifications for VS in the middle of the day. They're not preventing me from using VS. I just wait until quitting time (sometimes I let it wait for days, sometimes *another* update has already come out by the time I gave it the okay), then tell it to go ahead..and wait for the process to get far enough I know it's not going to be waiting for a confirmation prompt. By the time I come back next morning, everything's done. *Windows* updates OTOH...don't get me started...

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      Because visual Studio is still the best IDE with a wide margin!

      Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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      TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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      Forsooth! :-D

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      • J Jorgen Andersson

        Go to settings for Windows update and check "Recieve updates for other Microsoft products when you update Windows". Works for me.

        Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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        TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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        I have that turned on as well, but Visual Studio updates do not come through Windows Update.

        #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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        • H honey the codewitch

          I have VSIX stuff and a bunch of C++ stuff so that's probably why. The MFC libs and headers alone are huge.

          Steve Wozniak is the only thing at Apple that isn't evil.

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          As little MSFT-specific stuff for me as possible, which keeps it far more manageable. And no C# either. If I can new objects, I can bloody well delete them.

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          • H honey the codewitch

            I just get visual studio installed and then they want me to update. The updates take far too long, IMO. I get frustrated because I can't code while it's updating but the only time i'm notified of updates is when I'm ready to sit down and code! otherwise i wouldn't open VS in the first place. Since I'm driving my source repos from GitHub anyway I think I have a mid to long term fix. This year I should be getting a new dev machine with at least 32GB of RAM. That way I should be able to run multiple VMs. I can install on one VM while coding on the other and swap out of the image when its done. It's silly that I'd have to do it this way, but at least it's a way forward. Why visual studio? why?

            Steve Wozniak is the only thing at Apple that isn't evil.

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            Vaso Elias
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            I have been using Visual Studio for many years, now on 2019 (16.4.3). Updates don't really bother me. I even enjoy reading Update Notes so I am familiar with updates.

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            • S Slacker007

              :thumbsup: Same here, never had an issue at all with internet speed, VS (or whatever) update speed, on both work and home machines.

              It's much easier to enjoy the favor of both friend and foe, and not give a damn who's who. -- Lon Milo DuQuette

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              Visual studio downloader, first downloads, then asks you; do you want to upgrade. Not the other way around. So of cause you're not waiting for downloads, when its done downloading, when it asks you :) (It's magic!)

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                Visual studio downloader, first downloads, then asks you; do you want to upgrade. Not the other way around. So of cause you're not waiting for downloads, when its done downloading, when it asks you :) (It's magic!)

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                Slacker007
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                Mine is setup to never download without my permission. I get notifications letting me know there is an upgraded version. I decide when it gets downloaded and installed. I have this configured for both my personal and work machines. Perhaps, some people have no control over their work environments; not sure.

                It's much easier to enjoy the favor of both friend and foe, and not give a damn who's who. -- Lon Milo DuQuette

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                • H honey the codewitch

                  I just get visual studio installed and then they want me to update. The updates take far too long, IMO. I get frustrated because I can't code while it's updating but the only time i'm notified of updates is when I'm ready to sit down and code! otherwise i wouldn't open VS in the first place. Since I'm driving my source repos from GitHub anyway I think I have a mid to long term fix. This year I should be getting a new dev machine with at least 32GB of RAM. That way I should be able to run multiple VMs. I can install on one VM while coding on the other and swap out of the image when its done. It's silly that I'd have to do it this way, but at least it's a way forward. Why visual studio? why?

                  Steve Wozniak is the only thing at Apple that isn't evil.

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                  obermd
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                  I don't have this problem. VS notifies me of the updates and patiently waits until I'm ready to do the update. I've learned to check the notification flag only when I'm done with my work.

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                    I don't have this problem. VS notifies me of the updates and patiently waits until I'm ready to do the update. I've learned to check the notification flag only when I'm done with my work.

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                    honey the codewitch
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                    I mean, it waits for me. It's just that i never remember to update at the end of the day. Or I need to add packages mid day. In those cases, it would be nice to have a spare VM running to install on while I'm using it in the other VM.

                    Real programmers use butterflies

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                    • H honey the codewitch

                      I just get visual studio installed and then they want me to update. The updates take far too long, IMO. I get frustrated because I can't code while it's updating but the only time i'm notified of updates is when I'm ready to sit down and code! otherwise i wouldn't open VS in the first place. Since I'm driving my source repos from GitHub anyway I think I have a mid to long term fix. This year I should be getting a new dev machine with at least 32GB of RAM. That way I should be able to run multiple VMs. I can install on one VM while coding on the other and swap out of the image when its done. It's silly that I'd have to do it this way, but at least it's a way forward. Why visual studio? why?

                      Steve Wozniak is the only thing at Apple that isn't evil.

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                      Kelly Wilkerson
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                      When you see that an update is available, just start the VS Installer before bed and allow it to do it's thing overnight. Seems easier than juggling VMs.

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                      • H honey the codewitch

                        I just get visual studio installed and then they want me to update. The updates take far too long, IMO. I get frustrated because I can't code while it's updating but the only time i'm notified of updates is when I'm ready to sit down and code! otherwise i wouldn't open VS in the first place. Since I'm driving my source repos from GitHub anyway I think I have a mid to long term fix. This year I should be getting a new dev machine with at least 32GB of RAM. That way I should be able to run multiple VMs. I can install on one VM while coding on the other and swap out of the image when its done. It's silly that I'd have to do it this way, but at least it's a way forward. Why visual studio? why?

                        Steve Wozniak is the only thing at Apple that isn't evil.

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                        MSBassSinger
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                        You can also run VS Installer, and it will check for updates. Not a problem for me.

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                        • H honey the codewitch

                          I just get visual studio installed and then they want me to update. The updates take far too long, IMO. I get frustrated because I can't code while it's updating but the only time i'm notified of updates is when I'm ready to sit down and code! otherwise i wouldn't open VS in the first place. Since I'm driving my source repos from GitHub anyway I think I have a mid to long term fix. This year I should be getting a new dev machine with at least 32GB of RAM. That way I should be able to run multiple VMs. I can install on one VM while coding on the other and swap out of the image when its done. It's silly that I'd have to do it this way, but at least it's a way forward. Why visual studio? why?

                          Steve Wozniak is the only thing at Apple that isn't evil.

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                          Rick Shaub
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                          You could use VS Code for editing while the update runs.

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                            You could use VS Code for editing while the update runs.

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                            honey the codewitch
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                            I wish I liked VS Code. I use MonoDevelop

                            Real programmers use butterflies

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                            • S Slacker007

                              Mine is setup to never download without my permission. I get notifications letting me know there is an upgraded version. I decide when it gets downloaded and installed. I have this configured for both my personal and work machines. Perhaps, some people have no control over their work environments; not sure.

                              It's much easier to enjoy the favor of both friend and foe, and not give a damn who's who. -- Lon Milo DuQuette

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                              Member 13948806
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                              My point was that downloading the update, does not stop anyone from working in VS. It's first when they apply the actual update, that it takes time. And, on a sidenote; multiple discussions has said that VS is one of the programs that benefiths the most from being installed on a ssd, with its huge amount of small files. But no, downloading updates, no matter if you approve them or not, still will not you from working with VS while it downloads. And, just to be fair; i've never had a vs minor update that required me to reboot… only when moving from 2017 to 2019; but these 16.4.2 to 16.4.3, or even 16.2.0 to 16.3.1.. still does not require reboot here.

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                                My point was that downloading the update, does not stop anyone from working in VS. It's first when they apply the actual update, that it takes time. And, on a sidenote; multiple discussions has said that VS is one of the programs that benefiths the most from being installed on a ssd, with its huge amount of small files. But no, downloading updates, no matter if you approve them or not, still will not you from working with VS while it downloads. And, just to be fair; i've never had a vs minor update that required me to reboot… only when moving from 2017 to 2019; but these 16.4.2 to 16.4.3, or even 16.2.0 to 16.3.1.. still does not require reboot here.

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                                Slacker007
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                                Yeah. A lot of people complain here about VS, Windows OS, and Microsoft in general. I usually don't. It has been my experience that most, not all, of the complainers are doing it wrong. Wasted breath. Wasted typing. Wasted time. Microsoft and VS has made me very happy financially. I make an excellent living using VS and Microsoft products (among others of course).

                                It's much easier to enjoy the favor of both friend and foe, and not give a damn who's who. -- Lon Milo DuQuette

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