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  • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

    You need to know what they're doing in terms of "in their room (hopefully doing homework, but you know better than that)" or "out with friends" (and when they're not at home you'll never know what they're actually doing for certain). Most importantly, "not burning stuff to the ground" or "not stealing a brand new tv", but you raised them well so they won't do that. You don't need to know the level of detail of "browsing pr0n" or "drinking different beers and getting sick" (that's a good life's lesson!). Sorry to say this, but you sound like all children are out to get their parents arrested for stupid stuff they did. You did stupid stuff when you were young, I did stupid stuff when I was young and your children will do stupid stuff too, it's called growing up. Luckily, it's mostly getting drunk and throwing up or skipping class and getting detention kind of dumb stuff. I say, unless you raised an irresponsible little brat, give them a little credit and don't secretly spy on them. And if you did, they probably won't let you spy on them without a big fight in the first place. None of our parents spied on us (I presume) and we all turned out fine. Anyway, I think super's wife handled it pretty well as can be read in his latest post[^] :) It's keeping an eye out, but not flat out spying.

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    MSBassSinger
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    You are thinking a bit too narrowly and naively. Do you have kids? My wife and I raised three who grew up to be intelligent, educated, well-adjusted adults who now have children of their own. I did stupid things as a kid, and was held accountable for them. That is why I did not get into even worse things that would ruin my adult life and the lives of those I love. Setting and enforcing boundaries and rules of behavior, while teaching the teens and pre-teens how to make the right decisions for themselves, seems to be sorely lost on a lot of parents in recent decades. In a nutshell, it is just lazy parenting, and then making psychobabble excuses for it.

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      You are thinking a bit too narrowly and naively. Do you have kids? My wife and I raised three who grew up to be intelligent, educated, well-adjusted adults who now have children of their own. I did stupid things as a kid, and was held accountable for them. That is why I did not get into even worse things that would ruin my adult life and the lives of those I love. Setting and enforcing boundaries and rules of behavior, while teaching the teens and pre-teens how to make the right decisions for themselves, seems to be sorely lost on a lot of parents in recent decades. In a nutshell, it is just lazy parenting, and then making psychobabble excuses for it.

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      Sander Rossel
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      I don't have kids of my own and don't want them.

      MSBassSinger wrote:

      Setting and enforcing boundaries and rules of behavior, while teaching the teens and pre-teens how to make the right decisions for themselves, seems to be sorely lost on a lot of parents in recent decades.

      We do agree on that ;) I just don't think spying/stalking is the way to do it :D There's spy software so you know what your kids are browsing, which may be appropriate for young children, but really not for teens. That's what I was thinking about since super asked for "watching her activity" and "checking her phone on the sly". And to that I say, have some trust!

      Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Migrating Applications to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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        So having a teen daughter who spends most of the free time (after doing school work and watching Netflix ) in smartphone, what should be the best approach regarding watching her activity 1. Asking Mrs to handle it? 2. Ask her to voluntary show the activity? 3. checking the phone on the sly? Her iTunes ,spotify account is linked to my Credit card so I know she is not doing any useless purchase. She has two Insta, tik tok, snap account which is private as well public

        cheers,

        Super

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        milo xml
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        If she's logging in under your Netflix account, you should be able to select her account and see her watch history. There really isn't too much that is bad on Netflix though. On the other hand, Snapchat and TikTok are a little different story...

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        • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

          So tell me, why would a parent spy on their kids? Don't you trust them? Are you worried? Spying on people usually tends to make them angry or annoyed at the least. Teens really don't need more of that. Instead, they like to feel understood and trusted. Educate them and let them know you're their and you won't be angry. Kids need to make mistakes. And if you're only spying you won't even prevent them from making mistakes, you'll only see the fact afterwards. If you did this to literally anyone else they'd sue you and you'd get a restraining order (and a fine and possibly jail time), so why is it okay to do to your kids? For the record, I don't know any parent who did this and all their kids turned out fine.

          Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Migrating Applications to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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          Sander Rossel wrote:

          y would a parent spy on their kids?

          Did your parents ever know what you were watching on TV?

          Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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          • S super

            So having a teen daughter who spends most of the free time (after doing school work and watching Netflix ) in smartphone, what should be the best approach regarding watching her activity 1. Asking Mrs to handle it? 2. Ask her to voluntary show the activity? 3. checking the phone on the sly? Her iTunes ,spotify account is linked to my Credit card so I know she is not doing any useless purchase. She has two Insta, tik tok, snap account which is private as well public

            cheers,

            Super

            ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it

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            Here is how I handled mine. I created an account for myself on the services my kids were using, then I friended and followed their accounts. I did this under the pretext of Dad wanting to be involved, not as Dad is watching you. I also promised, with a smile and a wink, not to post anything that would embarrass them. I made, maybe, one post, then basically left them alone. Over time, they just forgot that Dad was there. My boys pretty much dropped using most of the social media platforms, aside from following their friends, and liking a post. My daughter still uses hers heavily. She is at an out-of-state university, and in her Junior year. Every once in a while, I will call or text her with a question or joke about a recent post. This usually gets a laugh and a "Oh yeah, I forgot you were following me", followed by a fun conversation. I have always followed the Proverbs 22:6 way of raising my kids, and showed them the trust that they would make the right choices (with loving, not punitive correction when needed). But I also let them know that Dad was always there, and always interested in them and their lives. I watch the shows and movies they tell me they like (even if I would normally not have any interest in it) so that I can carry an intelligent conversation about it. I play (at least off and on) the games they play on their phones, and always bug them to help me out (I'm really not much of a gamer, and Kingdom Hearts Union Cross is fun, but has way too many parameters for me to keep up on like they do.) I think I am slated to watch the new Sonic the Hedgehog movie soon. I think I am actually looking forward to that one. I had a rule, that as long as I was paying for their phone, they had to keep the Life360 app installed and functional. I assured them that it was so we could help in emergencies, and promised it would not be used for spying. I also pointed out they they could also see where Mom and Dad were as well. We even had one Middle School Halloween incident when one of my boys went with a group of friends to a neighborhood he was entirely unfamiliar with. He got separated from his group, and none of them had phones. After wandering around for a while, unable to find anything familiar, he called and asked us to pick him up. The app led us strait to him without any delays or hassles. My kids keep the app on their phones to this day. I even got a text from my daughter last month, "Hi Dad, I see you just got home. Can you help me with my laptop?" In a nutshell: If they

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              Sander Rossel wrote:

              y would a parent spy on their kids?

              Did your parents ever know what you were watching on TV?

              Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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              Sander Rossel
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              No, I had my own TV in my room. They also never knew what games I played. They've seen me play games like Duke Nukem and Hexen when I was like 6 or 7, so I don't think they really cared :D Although Duke Nukem scarred me for life... I played LAN with an uncle and he used the god mode to kick my ass. I've had trust issues ever since ;p Of course I knew it was just a game, so I didn't go around shooting people in real life (even though my uncle deserved it for cheating against a kid!) :D

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              • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                No, I had my own TV in my room. They also never knew what games I played. They've seen me play games like Duke Nukem and Hexen when I was like 6 or 7, so I don't think they really cared :D Although Duke Nukem scarred me for life... I played LAN with an uncle and he used the god mode to kick my ass. I've had trust issues ever since ;p Of course I knew it was just a game, so I didn't go around shooting people in real life (even though my uncle deserved it for cheating against a kid!) :D

                Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Migrating Applications to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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                Sander Rossel wrote:

                I don't think they really cared

                Exactly.

                Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                  Sander Rossel wrote:

                  I don't think they really cared

                  Exactly.

                  Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                  But they did (and do) care a lot about me. It's just that my parents considered me a responsible human being who didn't need constant supervision. Except when I failed math class and they took my computer away until I did my homework :sigh: And that time I failed my master's degree because I played too much World of Warcraft and they said "you're going to find a job NOW or we'll do it FOR YOU! :mad:" But they never told me I couldn't visit websites or not watch certain movies. I still consider them my #1 advisers in life and I talk to them at least once a week.

                  Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Migrating Applications to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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                  • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                    But they did (and do) care a lot about me. It's just that my parents considered me a responsible human being who didn't need constant supervision. Except when I failed math class and they took my computer away until I did my homework :sigh: And that time I failed my master's degree because I played too much World of Warcraft and they said "you're going to find a job NOW or we'll do it FOR YOU! :mad:" But they never told me I couldn't visit websites or not watch certain movies. I still consider them my #1 advisers in life and I talk to them at least once a week.

                    Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Migrating Applications to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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                    Sander Rossel wrote:

                    who didn't need constant supervision.

                    :doh:

                    Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                    • S super

                      So having a teen daughter who spends most of the free time (after doing school work and watching Netflix ) in smartphone, what should be the best approach regarding watching her activity 1. Asking Mrs to handle it? 2. Ask her to voluntary show the activity? 3. checking the phone on the sly? Her iTunes ,spotify account is linked to my Credit card so I know she is not doing any useless purchase. She has two Insta, tik tok, snap account which is private as well public

                      cheers,

                      Super

                      ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it

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                      StatementTerminator
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                      Have you tried rebooting her to see if you can replicate the behavior?

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                      • S super

                        So having a teen daughter who spends most of the free time (after doing school work and watching Netflix ) in smartphone, what should be the best approach regarding watching her activity 1. Asking Mrs to handle it? 2. Ask her to voluntary show the activity? 3. checking the phone on the sly? Her iTunes ,spotify account is linked to my Credit card so I know she is not doing any useless purchase. She has two Insta, tik tok, snap account which is private as well public

                        cheers,

                        Super

                        ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it

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                        ormonds
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                        Is this a record? No one has been accused of being a Nazi yet.

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