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Would you trust a self-driving car?

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  • L Lost User

    Given the sort of questions and sample code I see in QA, then no way.

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    Well, if you don't send them the codez they ask for, it's really your own fault! :doh:

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    • R rjmoses

      The question on the floor is: Would (will) you trust your life to a self-driving car? My own answer: "NO!". I will post my reasoning later.

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        Well, if you don't send them the codez they ask for, it's really your own fault! :doh:

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        Have you seen my code? X|

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        • R rjmoses

          The question on the floor is: Would (will) you trust your life to a self-driving car? My own answer: "NO!". I will post my reasoning later.

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          Why are you asking me? Ask my chauffeur.

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          • R rjmoses

            The question on the floor is: Would (will) you trust your life to a self-driving car? My own answer: "NO!". I will post my reasoning later.

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            jeron1
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            No, :elephant: no.

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            • R rjmoses

              The question on the floor is: Would (will) you trust your life to a self-driving car? My own answer: "NO!". I will post my reasoning later.

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              dandy72
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              If *all* cars were suddenly self-driving, we might have a chance of making it work. But as long as there's a mix of human drivers and self-driving cars on the same roads at the same time...the self-driving cars are in a difficult position to account for the stupidity of the human drivers.

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              • R rjmoses

                The question on the floor is: Would (will) you trust your life to a self-driving car? My own answer: "NO!". I will post my reasoning later.

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                Maximilien
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                not until all other cars are self driving cars.

                I'd rather be phishing!

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                • R rjmoses

                  The question on the floor is: Would (will) you trust your life to a self-driving car? My own answer: "NO!". I will post my reasoning later.

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                  Maybe if they carved slots in the roads.

                  It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food

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                  • R rjmoses

                    The question on the floor is: Would (will) you trust your life to a self-driving car? My own answer: "NO!". I will post my reasoning later.

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                    Rick York
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                    My answer is not yet.

                    "They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"

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                    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                      Go to QA. Read a couple of hundred questions. Self driving cars? You'll never use a bank, airplane, or mobile phone again ... :sigh: TBH: compared to the quality of driving you get from trained, licenced, apparently legal drivers I suspect that a self driving car that drove itself into a tree one trip out of a thousand would be preferable company on the roads. It won't get drunk. It won't read the paper, text its mates, perform sex acts, disappear to have a rummage in the glove box, or just have such an intense chat with a passenger that eye contact is essential for minutes at a time. It won't let itself out on the road if it has a serious car defect, or if it's been disqualified, isn't insured, or - possibly - even stolen. It won't drive the wrong way into traffic to get away from the police, it won't deliberate drive though pedestrian areas, it won't drive 10cm from your rear bumper because it's in a hurry - if it does, it's talking to the car in front and savign road space and energy. Persuade me that all human drivers are better than that, before you try to prevent self driving cars ... In a generation, manual driving will probably be frowned upon like drunk driving is today, and will almost certainly be illegal.

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                      My wife and I had a discussion this morning about driver's high on pot in Illinois since it is legal here now.

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                      • W W Balboos GHB

                        I really want to say no - but the quality of driving I see as the next generation gets behind the wheel makes me think: "I would trust it to by mandatory for these new drivers" - since they're way too dumb and self-involved to share the road with others - and they drive that way (it is their road, isn't it?).

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                        rjmoses
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                        Good point! Driver's Ed doesn't teach driving. I'm not sure what it teaches, but it sure doesn't teach driving--unless you live in a Nordic country like Belgium or Norway--there, they are required to teach such things as control skids, power slides, etc., because of icy roads.

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                        • L Lost User

                          Maybe if they carved slots in the roads.

                          It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food

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                          dandy72
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                          Gerry Schmitz wrote:

                          Maybe if they carved slots in the roads.

                          Rails. If that's what we were going for, it would mostly be a solved problem already.

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                            My wife and I had a discussion this morning about driver's high on pot in Illinois since it is legal here now.

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                            OriginalGriff
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                            It's illegal here, and they now have a roadside test for Coke and Pot. If you fail, it's down the station for a blood test to see if you are over the limit. Yes: the UK has a "Legal limit" for illegal drugs ... :confused:

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                            • R Rick York

                              My answer is not yet.

                              "They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"

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                              rjmoses
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                              My own response is emphatically "NO!" First, I have never seen a truly bug free program, no matter what language, what system, or what technology was used in the development. Even the Boeing 737 had a bug in its ADAR that they couldn't find so the engineers developed code to catch when the bug occurred. Second, Personal experience. I had a Ford F150 with EPAS (Electronic Power Assisted Steering or drive-by-wire) that rolled over on me when I dropped a wheel into the drainage ditch. The software thought the truck was skidding (or something) and took control of the steering. But the "corrective action" caused the truck to turtle. Truck was considered totaled because the side airbags went off. Three weeks after I settled with the insurance company, I got an urgent recall notice from Ford to have the truck's software updated. (Truck was long gone by that time.) I have tried power slides, drifting, etc, with my new truck and, after a few seconds, it just shuts down. The accelerator has about a 1-2 second lag from when I hit the gas until the engine responds. Can't do a burnout (Iwas told I can override traction control but I don't trust the truck enough to even try anymore.)

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                              • D dandy72

                                Gerry Schmitz wrote:

                                Maybe if they carved slots in the roads.

                                Rails. If that's what we were going for, it would mostly be a solved problem already.

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                                I had a "slot car" racing set I won from Kellogg's in a coloring contest. It still took skill to "keep it in the slot". Take the back pin out and you could do donuts. Anyway, at some point, there had been a discussion about "burying things in the road"; i.e. virtual slots.

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                                • L Lost User

                                  I had a "slot car" racing set I won from Kellogg's in a coloring contest. It still took skill to "keep it in the slot". Take the back pin out and you could do donuts. Anyway, at some point, there had been a discussion about "burying things in the road"; i.e. virtual slots.

                                  It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food

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                                  dandy72
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                                  Gerry Schmitz wrote:

                                  Anyway, at some point, there had been a discussion about "burying things in the road"; i.e. virtual slots.

                                  Elon's already taking it way deeper with his [Boring Company](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Boring\_Company). Given that he's also already working on self-driving cars, I'm sure he's got something in mind...

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                                    Things I trust to drive a car in descending order of trust Me AI Women

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                                    Daniel Pfeffer
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                                    F-ES Sitecore wrote:

                                    Me AI Women

                                    Anyone over 75 years old Any male under 25 years old Pedestrians I trust to behave in a predictable manner: Me Anyone who is not using a phone on the street Senile, blind, drunk, and drugged people pushing zimmer frames Anyone using a phone on the street

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                                    • D dandy72

                                      Gerry Schmitz wrote:

                                      Anyway, at some point, there had been a discussion about "burying things in the road"; i.e. virtual slots.

                                      Elon's already taking it way deeper with his [Boring Company](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Boring\_Company). Given that he's also already working on self-driving cars, I'm sure he's got something in mind...

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                                      Jorgen Andersson
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                                      I'm quite sure he's going for the Golgafrincham solution. He will be sending all the people that buys his cars. Already sent one.

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                                      • D dandy72

                                        If *all* cars were suddenly self-driving, we might have a chance of making it work. But as long as there's a mix of human drivers and self-driving cars on the same roads at the same time...the self-driving cars are in a difficult position to account for the stupidity of the human drivers.

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                                        Nelek
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                                        :thumbsup::thumbsup: This is my answer everytime I get asked the same.

                                        M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                                        • M Mike Hankey

                                          I'll just agree, if I say any more I'll get started and there's probably a limit on the length of a post. I'll just say; without their phones they wouldn't/couldn't survive!

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                                          DJ van Wyk
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                                          A lot of us would be very interested in the rant...

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