Would you trust a self-driving car?
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The question on the floor is: Would (will) you trust your life to a self-driving car? My own answer: "NO!". I will post my reasoning later.
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Go to QA. Read a couple of hundred questions. Self driving cars? You'll never use a bank, airplane, or mobile phone again ... :sigh: TBH: compared to the quality of driving you get from trained, licenced, apparently legal drivers I suspect that a self driving car that drove itself into a tree one trip out of a thousand would be preferable company on the roads. It won't get drunk. It won't read the paper, text its mates, perform sex acts, disappear to have a rummage in the glove box, or just have such an intense chat with a passenger that eye contact is essential for minutes at a time. It won't let itself out on the road if it has a serious car defect, or if it's been disqualified, isn't insured, or - possibly - even stolen. It won't drive the wrong way into traffic to get away from the police, it won't deliberate drive though pedestrian areas, it won't drive 10cm from your rear bumper because it's in a hurry - if it does, it's talking to the car in front and savign road space and energy. Persuade me that all human drivers are better than that, before you try to prevent self driving cars ... In a generation, manual driving will probably be frowned upon like drunk driving is today, and will almost certainly be illegal.
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I really want to say no - but the quality of driving I see as the next generation gets behind the wheel makes me think: "I would trust it to by mandatory for these new drivers" - since they're way too dumb and self-involved to share the road with others - and they drive that way (it is their road, isn't it?).
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
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Good point! Driver's Ed doesn't teach driving. I'm not sure what it teaches, but it sure doesn't teach driving--unless you live in a Nordic country like Belgium or Norway--there, they are required to teach such things as control skids, power slides, etc., because of icy roads.
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Maybe if they carved slots in the roads.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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My wife and I had a discussion this morning about driver's high on pot in Illinois since it is legal here now.
It's illegal here, and they now have a roadside test for Coke and Pot. If you fail, it's down the station for a blood test to see if you are over the limit. Yes: the UK has a "Legal limit" for illegal drugs ... :confused:
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My answer is not yet.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
My own response is emphatically "NO!" First, I have never seen a truly bug free program, no matter what language, what system, or what technology was used in the development. Even the Boeing 737 had a bug in its ADAR that they couldn't find so the engineers developed code to catch when the bug occurred. Second, Personal experience. I had a Ford F150 with EPAS (Electronic Power Assisted Steering or drive-by-wire) that rolled over on me when I dropped a wheel into the drainage ditch. The software thought the truck was skidding (or something) and took control of the steering. But the "corrective action" caused the truck to turtle. Truck was considered totaled because the side airbags went off. Three weeks after I settled with the insurance company, I got an urgent recall notice from Ford to have the truck's software updated. (Truck was long gone by that time.) I have tried power slides, drifting, etc, with my new truck and, after a few seconds, it just shuts down. The accelerator has about a 1-2 second lag from when I hit the gas until the engine responds. Can't do a burnout (Iwas told I can override traction control but I don't trust the truck enough to even try anymore.)
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Gerry Schmitz wrote:
Maybe if they carved slots in the roads.
Rails. If that's what we were going for, it would mostly be a solved problem already.
I had a "slot car" racing set I won from Kellogg's in a coloring contest. It still took skill to "keep it in the slot". Take the back pin out and you could do donuts. Anyway, at some point, there had been a discussion about "burying things in the road"; i.e. virtual slots.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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I had a "slot car" racing set I won from Kellogg's in a coloring contest. It still took skill to "keep it in the slot". Take the back pin out and you could do donuts. Anyway, at some point, there had been a discussion about "burying things in the road"; i.e. virtual slots.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
Gerry Schmitz wrote:
Anyway, at some point, there had been a discussion about "burying things in the road"; i.e. virtual slots.
Elon's already taking it way deeper with his [Boring Company](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Boring\_Company). Given that he's also already working on self-driving cars, I'm sure he's got something in mind...
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Things I trust to drive a car in descending order of trust Me AI Women
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
Me AI Women
Anyone over 75 years old Any male under 25 years old Pedestrians I trust to behave in a predictable manner: Me Anyone who is not using a phone on the street Senile, blind, drunk, and drugged people pushing zimmer frames Anyone using a phone on the street
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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Gerry Schmitz wrote:
Anyway, at some point, there had been a discussion about "burying things in the road"; i.e. virtual slots.
Elon's already taking it way deeper with his [Boring Company](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Boring\_Company). Given that he's also already working on self-driving cars, I'm sure he's got something in mind...
I'm quite sure he's going for the Golgafrincham solution. He will be sending all the people that buys his cars. Already sent one.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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If *all* cars were suddenly self-driving, we might have a chance of making it work. But as long as there's a mix of human drivers and self-driving cars on the same roads at the same time...the self-driving cars are in a difficult position to account for the stupidity of the human drivers.
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I'll just agree, if I say any more I'll get started and there's probably a limit on the length of a post. I'll just say; without their phones they wouldn't/couldn't survive!
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A lot of us would be very interested in the rant...
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F-ES Sitecore wrote:
Me AI Women
Anyone over 75 years old Any male under 25 years old Pedestrians I trust to behave in a predictable manner: Me Anyone who is not using a phone on the street Senile, blind, drunk, and drugged people pushing zimmer frames Anyone using a phone on the street
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
Daniel Pfeffer wrote:
Pedestrians I trust to behave in a predictable manner: Me Anyone who is not using a phone on the street Senile, blind, drunk, and drugged people pushing zimmer frames Anyone using a phone on the street
Pedestrians I trust in the darkness of winter: Me with free-hanging reflectors from both right and left pockets. Anyone with free-hanging reflectors from both right and left pockets. Anyone with reflector strips attached to their clothing. Anyone carrying a lit flashlight/torch. Anyone wearing a wristband with two tiny flashing LEDs. Anyone without any sort of reflector or flashlight. I can't possibly fathom how anyone who has been driving in a car, even as a passenger, in darkness along an unlit road would ever dare to walk it in the darkness without a reflector, in particular if there are no sidewalks. Yet it happens all the time (in spite of public campaigns every fall). To me, that is sort of a suicide attempt... I wonder if these self-driving cars have been trained to recognize as a person a brigth flashing plastic tag, 10 cm across, easily noticed from 200 meters distance when the high beam of your car hits it.
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The question on the floor is: Would (will) you trust your life to a self-driving car? My own answer: "NO!". I will post my reasoning later.
I'm looking forward to seeing how a self driving car would cope with the residential roads in my home city of Portsmouth in the UK. Victorian/Edwardian roads, built before cars existed, require a mutually agreed "code of conduct" between drivers to stop a logjam forming in the single car width between the parked vehicles. You need to anticipate the actions and respond to signals (light flash/pulling over) over a distance of 100 yards or more to be able to negotiate the streets here. I can't see a self driving car being able to comprehend any of that. What I expect to see is it causing a multitude of traffic jams as it ignores Portsmouth road 'etiquette'. See pic to get the idea of the issue.
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The question on the floor is: Would (will) you trust your life to a self-driving car? My own answer: "NO!". I will post my reasoning later.
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The question on the floor is: Would (will) you trust your life to a self-driving car? My own answer: "NO!". I will post my reasoning later.
For me, the questions is: Would I trust me, if I trusted a self-driving car (to do my driving)? That's a solid NO. But then, I still prefer a stick-shift to an automatic gear-box. Having done a decent bit of driving under many conditions has led me to provisionally trust me. As long as I am really in control. I manage to be self-critical, though perhaps not all of the time. I have not noticed self-criticism as a subject in self-driving. Then again, when I am (bi)cycling, I might statistically prefer self-driving cars as less dangerous. So, yeah, that's a bit of "all other drivers (except a few) are bad drivers", which makes me suspicious again. Should I end with "clueless"? When I'm old perhaps?
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The question on the floor is: Would (will) you trust your life to a self-driving car? My own answer: "NO!". I will post my reasoning later.
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The question on the floor is: Would (will) you trust your life to a self-driving car? My own answer: "NO!". I will post my reasoning later.
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The question on the floor is: Would (will) you trust your life to a self-driving car? My own answer: "NO!". I will post my reasoning later.
Leaning toward yes. The technology isn't quite there, but it is quickly getting there. Although I enjoy driving, I look forward to the day when self driving cars are mandated: 1. There are so many scared/inattentive/aggressive/distracted drivers and self driving will eliminate those dangers. 2. Traffic congestion can be minimized. With closer following tolerances, fewer stupid moves and dramatic reduction in accidents, drive times will be shortened.
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Go to QA. Read a couple of hundred questions. Self driving cars? You'll never use a bank, airplane, or mobile phone again ... :sigh: TBH: compared to the quality of driving you get from trained, licenced, apparently legal drivers I suspect that a self driving car that drove itself into a tree one trip out of a thousand would be preferable company on the roads. It won't get drunk. It won't read the paper, text its mates, perform sex acts, disappear to have a rummage in the glove box, or just have such an intense chat with a passenger that eye contact is essential for minutes at a time. It won't let itself out on the road if it has a serious car defect, or if it's been disqualified, isn't insured, or - possibly - even stolen. It won't drive the wrong way into traffic to get away from the police, it won't deliberate drive though pedestrian areas, it won't drive 10cm from your rear bumper because it's in a hurry - if it does, it's talking to the car in front and savign road space and energy. Persuade me that all human drivers are better than that, before you try to prevent self driving cars ... In a generation, manual driving will probably be frowned upon like drunk driving is today, and will almost certainly be illegal.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
Agree it's a generational thing, and will become widely adopted over time. Happens through a combination of better self-driving vehicles and acceptance by society that's (now) used to it. Remember how people used to value their private information? But, you grow up in a society where that's not valued, you don't know any different. In terms of whether I'd trust it, depends. I believe in the power of technology to overcome complex problems--eventually. Agree also that it can become better than most drivers today (myself included of course--though I'm an excellent driver [Dustin Hoffman voice] ;-)) The first many iterations, I'd want an attentive attendant ready to take over to (hopefully) avoid any more of the problems we've seen. I don't have a feel for how many real-world iterations we'd need until we could say, "yeah, this is safe enough and ready for production."
