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Would you trust a self-driving car?

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    Things I trust to drive a car in descending order of trust Me AI Women

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    Daniel Pfeffer
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    F-ES Sitecore wrote:

    Me AI Women

    Anyone over 75 years old Any male under 25 years old Pedestrians I trust to behave in a predictable manner: Me Anyone who is not using a phone on the street Senile, blind, drunk, and drugged people pushing zimmer frames Anyone using a phone on the street

    Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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      Gerry Schmitz wrote:

      Anyway, at some point, there had been a discussion about "burying things in the road"; i.e. virtual slots.

      Elon's already taking it way deeper with his [Boring Company](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Boring\_Company). Given that he's also already working on self-driving cars, I'm sure he's got something in mind...

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      Jorgen Andersson
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      I'm quite sure he's going for the Golgafrincham solution. He will be sending all the people that buys his cars. Already sent one.

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        If *all* cars were suddenly self-driving, we might have a chance of making it work. But as long as there's a mix of human drivers and self-driving cars on the same roads at the same time...the self-driving cars are in a difficult position to account for the stupidity of the human drivers.

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        Nelek
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        :thumbsup::thumbsup: This is my answer everytime I get asked the same.

        M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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          I'll just agree, if I say any more I'll get started and there's probably a limit on the length of a post. I'll just say; without their phones they wouldn't/couldn't survive!

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          DJ van Wyk
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          A lot of us would be very interested in the rant...

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            F-ES Sitecore wrote:

            Me AI Women

            Anyone over 75 years old Any male under 25 years old Pedestrians I trust to behave in a predictable manner: Me Anyone who is not using a phone on the street Senile, blind, drunk, and drugged people pushing zimmer frames Anyone using a phone on the street

            Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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            kalberts
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            Daniel Pfeffer wrote:

            Pedestrians I trust to behave in a predictable manner: Me Anyone who is not using a phone on the street Senile, blind, drunk, and drugged people pushing zimmer frames Anyone using a phone on the street

            Pedestrians I trust in the darkness of winter: Me with free-hanging reflectors from both right and left pockets. Anyone with free-hanging reflectors from both right and left pockets. Anyone with reflector strips attached to their clothing. Anyone carrying a lit flashlight/torch. Anyone wearing a wristband with two tiny flashing LEDs. Anyone without any sort of reflector or flashlight. I can't possibly fathom how anyone who has been driving in a car, even as a passenger, in darkness along an unlit road would ever dare to walk it in the darkness without a reflector, in particular if there are no sidewalks. Yet it happens all the time (in spite of public campaigns every fall). To me, that is sort of a suicide attempt... I wonder if these self-driving cars have been trained to recognize as a person a brigth flashing plastic tag, 10 cm across, easily noticed from 200 meters distance when the high beam of your car hits it.

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              The question on the floor is: Would (will) you trust your life to a self-driving car? My own answer: "NO!". I will post my reasoning later.

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              John Wellbelove
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              I'm looking forward to seeing how a self driving car would cope with the residential roads in my home city of Portsmouth in the UK. Victorian/Edwardian roads, built before cars existed, require a mutually agreed "code of conduct" between drivers to stop a logjam forming in the single car width between the parked vehicles. You need to anticipate the actions and respond to signals (light flash/pulling over) over a distance of 100 yards or more to be able to negotiate the streets here. I can't see a self driving car being able to comprehend any of that. What I expect to see is it causing a multitude of traffic jams as it ignores Portsmouth road 'etiquette'. See pic to get the idea of the issue.

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                The question on the floor is: Would (will) you trust your life to a self-driving car? My own answer: "NO!". I will post my reasoning later.

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                _WinBase_
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                No - does that make me a control freak?

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                  The question on the floor is: Would (will) you trust your life to a self-driving car? My own answer: "NO!". I will post my reasoning later.

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                  Jan Heckman
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                  For me, the questions is: Would I trust me, if I trusted a self-driving car (to do my driving)? That's a solid NO. But then, I still prefer a stick-shift to an automatic gear-box. Having done a decent bit of driving under many conditions has led me to provisionally trust me. As long as I am really in control. I manage to be self-critical, though perhaps not all of the time. I have not noticed self-criticism as a subject in self-driving. Then again, when I am (bi)cycling, I might statistically prefer self-driving cars as less dangerous. So, yeah, that's a bit of "all other drivers (except a few) are bad drivers", which makes me suspicious again. Should I end with "clueless"? When I'm old perhaps?

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                    The question on the floor is: Would (will) you trust your life to a self-driving car? My own answer: "NO!". I will post my reasoning later.

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                    Leo56
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                    I just hope Audi, Mercedes and BMW hurry the hell up and start producing theirs - got to be better than some/most of the dorks who drive their cars at the moment

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                      The question on the floor is: Would (will) you trust your life to a self-driving car? My own answer: "NO!". I will post my reasoning later.

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                      maze3
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                      In my life time: yes.

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                        The question on the floor is: Would (will) you trust your life to a self-driving car? My own answer: "NO!". I will post my reasoning later.

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                        Hooga Booga
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                        Leaning toward yes. The technology isn't quite there, but it is quickly getting there. Although I enjoy driving, I look forward to the day when self driving cars are mandated: 1. There are so many scared/inattentive/aggressive/distracted drivers and self driving will eliminate those dangers. 2. Traffic congestion can be minimized. With closer following tolerances, fewer stupid moves and dramatic reduction in accidents, drive times will be shortened.

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                        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                          Go to QA. Read a couple of hundred questions. Self driving cars? You'll never use a bank, airplane, or mobile phone again ... :sigh: TBH: compared to the quality of driving you get from trained, licenced, apparently legal drivers I suspect that a self driving car that drove itself into a tree one trip out of a thousand would be preferable company on the roads. It won't get drunk. It won't read the paper, text its mates, perform sex acts, disappear to have a rummage in the glove box, or just have such an intense chat with a passenger that eye contact is essential for minutes at a time. It won't let itself out on the road if it has a serious car defect, or if it's been disqualified, isn't insured, or - possibly - even stolen. It won't drive the wrong way into traffic to get away from the police, it won't deliberate drive though pedestrian areas, it won't drive 10cm from your rear bumper because it's in a hurry - if it does, it's talking to the car in front and savign road space and energy. Persuade me that all human drivers are better than that, before you try to prevent self driving cars ... In a generation, manual driving will probably be frowned upon like drunk driving is today, and will almost certainly be illegal.

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                          agolddog
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                          Agree it's a generational thing, and will become widely adopted over time. Happens through a combination of better self-driving vehicles and acceptance by society that's (now) used to it. Remember how people used to value their private information? But, you grow up in a society where that's not valued, you don't know any different. In terms of whether I'd trust it, depends. I believe in the power of technology to overcome complex problems--eventually. Agree also that it can become better than most drivers today (myself included of course--though I'm an excellent driver [Dustin Hoffman voice] ;-)) The first many iterations, I'd want an attentive attendant ready to take over to (hopefully) avoid any more of the problems we've seen. I don't have a feel for how many real-world iterations we'd need until we could say, "yeah, this is safe enough and ready for production."

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                            The question on the floor is: Would (will) you trust your life to a self-driving car? My own answer: "NO!". I will post my reasoning later.

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                            bleahy48
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                            Of course not. But, of course, I would trust it way more than a car driven by a human.

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                              The question on the floor is: Would (will) you trust your life to a self-driving car? My own answer: "NO!". I will post my reasoning later.

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                              matblue25
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                              I read the question as, “would you walk (or bicycle) along a road that has self-driving cars.” My answer to that is an emphatic no. Wouldn’t want a car to decide to run me over to save its passengers or whatever.

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                                Good point! Driver's Ed doesn't teach driving. I'm not sure what it teaches, but it sure doesn't teach driving--unless you live in a Nordic country like Belgium or Norway--there, they are required to teach such things as control skids, power slides, etc., because of icy roads.

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                                obermd
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                                rjmoses wrote:

                                Good point! Driver's Ed doesn't teach driving.

                                You're assuming they're taking driver's ed.

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                                  :thumbsup::thumbsup: This is my answer everytime I get asked the same.

                                  M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                                  dandy72
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                                  I don't get asked. I just butt into these random discussions with my opinions. :-)

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                                    The question on the floor is: Would (will) you trust your life to a self-driving car? My own answer: "NO!". I will post my reasoning later.

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                                    captonmike
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                                    A lot of them have conditions like the lanes have to be visible, and where I live, that's just not a reality. I do think it would be better in the long run, but No, I wouldn't trust a self driving car.

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                                      The question on the floor is: Would (will) you trust your life to a self-driving car? My own answer: "NO!". I will post my reasoning later.

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                                      fredcicles
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                                      Absolutely! Look, EVERYONE is a shitty driver. And yet we get out on the road and let ourselves believe that we are safe there. Everyone gets distracted by something: their phone, a song or discussion on the radio, a fight that they just had, a hottie in the car next to them, problems in life. Self driving cars will never be affected by THESE distractions. They may never be PERFECT but with their sole focus on driving, they will always be safer than the current alternative.

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                                        The question on the floor is: Would (will) you trust your life to a self-driving car? My own answer: "NO!". I will post my reasoning later.

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                                        Slow Eddie
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                                        NO! But, I think they should start working on self-walking pedestrians, and self-driving bicycles and self-driving motor-scooters and motorcycles. Those are more of a danger to themselves and automotive traffic and each other than anything else. Additionally, All cars, trucks, bicycles, etc. should be fitted with a Wi-Fi signal jammer that operates whenever the vehicle is in motion.:mad::mad::mad:

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                                          I don't get asked. I just butt into these random discussions with my opinions. :-)

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                                          Nelek
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                                          I do get asked... (working for car related companies for a while)

                                          M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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