Would you trust a self-driving car?
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F-ES Sitecore wrote:
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Anyone over 75 years old Any male under 25 years old Pedestrians I trust to behave in a predictable manner: Me Anyone who is not using a phone on the street Senile, blind, drunk, and drugged people pushing zimmer frames Anyone using a phone on the street
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote:
Pedestrians I trust to behave in a predictable manner: Me Anyone who is not using a phone on the street Senile, blind, drunk, and drugged people pushing zimmer frames Anyone using a phone on the street
Pedestrians I trust in the darkness of winter: Me with free-hanging reflectors from both right and left pockets. Anyone with free-hanging reflectors from both right and left pockets. Anyone with reflector strips attached to their clothing. Anyone carrying a lit flashlight/torch. Anyone wearing a wristband with two tiny flashing LEDs. Anyone without any sort of reflector or flashlight. I can't possibly fathom how anyone who has been driving in a car, even as a passenger, in darkness along an unlit road would ever dare to walk it in the darkness without a reflector, in particular if there are no sidewalks. Yet it happens all the time (in spite of public campaigns every fall). To me, that is sort of a suicide attempt... I wonder if these self-driving cars have been trained to recognize as a person a brigth flashing plastic tag, 10 cm across, easily noticed from 200 meters distance when the high beam of your car hits it.
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The question on the floor is: Would (will) you trust your life to a self-driving car? My own answer: "NO!". I will post my reasoning later.
I'm looking forward to seeing how a self driving car would cope with the residential roads in my home city of Portsmouth in the UK. Victorian/Edwardian roads, built before cars existed, require a mutually agreed "code of conduct" between drivers to stop a logjam forming in the single car width between the parked vehicles. You need to anticipate the actions and respond to signals (light flash/pulling over) over a distance of 100 yards or more to be able to negotiate the streets here. I can't see a self driving car being able to comprehend any of that. What I expect to see is it causing a multitude of traffic jams as it ignores Portsmouth road 'etiquette'. See pic to get the idea of the issue.
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The question on the floor is: Would (will) you trust your life to a self-driving car? My own answer: "NO!". I will post my reasoning later.
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The question on the floor is: Would (will) you trust your life to a self-driving car? My own answer: "NO!". I will post my reasoning later.
For me, the questions is: Would I trust me, if I trusted a self-driving car (to do my driving)? That's a solid NO. But then, I still prefer a stick-shift to an automatic gear-box. Having done a decent bit of driving under many conditions has led me to provisionally trust me. As long as I am really in control. I manage to be self-critical, though perhaps not all of the time. I have not noticed self-criticism as a subject in self-driving. Then again, when I am (bi)cycling, I might statistically prefer self-driving cars as less dangerous. So, yeah, that's a bit of "all other drivers (except a few) are bad drivers", which makes me suspicious again. Should I end with "clueless"? When I'm old perhaps?
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The question on the floor is: Would (will) you trust your life to a self-driving car? My own answer: "NO!". I will post my reasoning later.
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The question on the floor is: Would (will) you trust your life to a self-driving car? My own answer: "NO!". I will post my reasoning later.
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The question on the floor is: Would (will) you trust your life to a self-driving car? My own answer: "NO!". I will post my reasoning later.
Leaning toward yes. The technology isn't quite there, but it is quickly getting there. Although I enjoy driving, I look forward to the day when self driving cars are mandated: 1. There are so many scared/inattentive/aggressive/distracted drivers and self driving will eliminate those dangers. 2. Traffic congestion can be minimized. With closer following tolerances, fewer stupid moves and dramatic reduction in accidents, drive times will be shortened.
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Go to QA. Read a couple of hundred questions. Self driving cars? You'll never use a bank, airplane, or mobile phone again ... :sigh: TBH: compared to the quality of driving you get from trained, licenced, apparently legal drivers I suspect that a self driving car that drove itself into a tree one trip out of a thousand would be preferable company on the roads. It won't get drunk. It won't read the paper, text its mates, perform sex acts, disappear to have a rummage in the glove box, or just have such an intense chat with a passenger that eye contact is essential for minutes at a time. It won't let itself out on the road if it has a serious car defect, or if it's been disqualified, isn't insured, or - possibly - even stolen. It won't drive the wrong way into traffic to get away from the police, it won't deliberate drive though pedestrian areas, it won't drive 10cm from your rear bumper because it's in a hurry - if it does, it's talking to the car in front and savign road space and energy. Persuade me that all human drivers are better than that, before you try to prevent self driving cars ... In a generation, manual driving will probably be frowned upon like drunk driving is today, and will almost certainly be illegal.
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Agree it's a generational thing, and will become widely adopted over time. Happens through a combination of better self-driving vehicles and acceptance by society that's (now) used to it. Remember how people used to value their private information? But, you grow up in a society where that's not valued, you don't know any different. In terms of whether I'd trust it, depends. I believe in the power of technology to overcome complex problems--eventually. Agree also that it can become better than most drivers today (myself included of course--though I'm an excellent driver [Dustin Hoffman voice] ;-)) The first many iterations, I'd want an attentive attendant ready to take over to (hopefully) avoid any more of the problems we've seen. I don't have a feel for how many real-world iterations we'd need until we could say, "yeah, this is safe enough and ready for production."
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The question on the floor is: Would (will) you trust your life to a self-driving car? My own answer: "NO!". I will post my reasoning later.
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The question on the floor is: Would (will) you trust your life to a self-driving car? My own answer: "NO!". I will post my reasoning later.
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Good point! Driver's Ed doesn't teach driving. I'm not sure what it teaches, but it sure doesn't teach driving--unless you live in a Nordic country like Belgium or Norway--there, they are required to teach such things as control skids, power slides, etc., because of icy roads.
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:thumbsup::thumbsup: This is my answer everytime I get asked the same.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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The question on the floor is: Would (will) you trust your life to a self-driving car? My own answer: "NO!". I will post my reasoning later.
A lot of them have conditions like the lanes have to be visible, and where I live, that's just not a reality. I do think it would be better in the long run, but No, I wouldn't trust a self driving car.
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The question on the floor is: Would (will) you trust your life to a self-driving car? My own answer: "NO!". I will post my reasoning later.
Absolutely! Look, EVERYONE is a shitty driver. And yet we get out on the road and let ourselves believe that we are safe there. Everyone gets distracted by something: their phone, a song or discussion on the radio, a fight that they just had, a hottie in the car next to them, problems in life. Self driving cars will never be affected by THESE distractions. They may never be PERFECT but with their sole focus on driving, they will always be safer than the current alternative.
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The question on the floor is: Would (will) you trust your life to a self-driving car? My own answer: "NO!". I will post my reasoning later.
NO! But, I think they should start working on self-walking pedestrians, and self-driving bicycles and self-driving motor-scooters and motorcycles. Those are more of a danger to themselves and automotive traffic and each other than anything else. Additionally, All cars, trucks, bicycles, etc. should be fitted with a Wi-Fi signal jammer that operates whenever the vehicle is in motion.:mad::mad::mad:
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I do get asked... (working for car related companies for a while)
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I do get asked... (working for car related companies for a while)
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Anyone who wants an honest answer should be asking a software developer, not a car company. :-) (but then, if you work for one, you have the benefit of seeing it from both perspectives...and it sounds like you're agreeing with my response)
dandy72 wrote:
you have the benefit of seeing it from both perspectives...
Not only that... I have tested a lot of different cars and have been a lot of time on the road.
dandy72 wrote:
.and it sounds like you're agreeing with my response)
I do. Although it has brought me a couple of discussions with co-workers just because I am realist and honest.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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The question on the floor is: Would (will) you trust your life to a self-driving car? My own answer: "NO!". I will post my reasoning later.
I will. If I am allowed to see the source code and reprogram it myself. A bunch of drunkards jumped on the street right in front of you, what would you do? -> brake very hard -> swerve and go into accident myself -> brake normally and hit the drunkards
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Absolutely! Look, EVERYONE is a shitty driver. And yet we get out on the road and let ourselves believe that we are safe there. Everyone gets distracted by something: their phone, a song or discussion on the radio, a fight that they just had, a hottie in the car next to them, problems in life. Self driving cars will never be affected by THESE distractions. They may never be PERFECT but with their sole focus on driving, they will always be safer than the current alternative.
I agree about bad drivers. Driving skills are not taught in Driver's Ed. The question then becomes: How much driving experience do the engineers/developers have in all the possible situations? And do they know enough to be able accommodate such things as controlling a skid on black ice? How about hydro-planing on worn tires? If they don't have the driving experience, how can they develop software to handle it? Just thinking.....
