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  • F Forogar

    I have been a professional programmer/developer/whatever since 1980. I wrote my first working program in 1975 (it worked first time, and the rest is history). I know a lot of stuff, I have forgotten more stuff than a lot of people know, I have a PhD in CS and have worked every position (in five countries and two continents) from Junior Programmer on a mainframe to Director of Software Development in a couple of companies doing everything from expert systems to language interpreters to tape robot control. I have written standards documents at a lot of companies and trained many, many developers in HTML, XML, multi-threading, and other useful stuff. I have now taken a position as a Senior Software Engineer in the government as a sort of retirement job (the medical and pension plans are great!). Then a member of my team insists on plugging React into our huge web-based intranet system, breaks everything in sight but still insists he is right and we should all change everything to fit his new idea of how things should be done. In addition he spends at least half of every code-review explaining why our established naming conventions should be changed to the way he does it because he read an article by someone who worked on Farcebook who suggested some conventions. My question is: Where is the best place to bury a body? Just asking for a friend. ;P [Update] Our wonderful manager has moved him to another team. The complaints have already started. Now I am really asking for a friend!

    - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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    Mark_Wallace
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    Just stick the body in the cabinet with all the VB4, PSP3, VS Boston, adobe acrobat, foxpro, etc. discs. No-one will happen across it even by accident, there. The cupboard with all the old ps2 cables, memory sticks, floppy drives, etc. is riskier, because some people use old CD drives as bases, to lift their monitors a bit higher. [ edit: the second sentence was a bit too "even" ]

    I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

      Sander Rossel wrote:

      you really need the application to print a report using Crystal Reports in VB6 and he's the one who should make it because no one else is smart enough.

      FTFY!

      "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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      DJ van Wyk
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      And the bulk of the business logic must be done in VBA, with no plugins allowed.

      My plan is to live forever ... so far so good

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      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

        Pig farm. Cut it up, they'll eat the bits quite happily. Apparently.

        "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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        Dominic Burford
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        That was Brick Tops favourite disposal method in the film Snatch :)

        "There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare Home | LinkedIn | Google+ | Twitter

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        • A Abbas A Ali

          Its a bit amazing and scary at the same time, how much traction a murderous idea is getting by people of profession which are generally known as introverts and socially awkward. Then again that might be the reason why. I may just be scared because I'm the know-it-all in my team :^)

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          Pitchforks at the ready everyone, we got another one over here :laugh:

          "There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare Home | LinkedIn | Google+ | Twitter

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          • R Ravi Bhavnani

            Forogar wrote:

            Where is the best place to bury a body?

            IMHO, that's the wrong approach.  I suggest instead promoting him to a position where he doesn't have access to source code. /ravi

            My new year resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Articles | My .NET bits | Freeware ravib(at)ravib(dot)com

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            :-D :thumbsup:

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            • D DJ van Wyk

              And the bulk of the business logic must be done in VBA, with no plugins allowed.

              My plan is to live forever ... so far so good

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              Sander Rossel
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              We're going to need some censorship here X|

              Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Migrating Applications to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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              • F Forogar

                I have been a professional programmer/developer/whatever since 1980. I wrote my first working program in 1975 (it worked first time, and the rest is history). I know a lot of stuff, I have forgotten more stuff than a lot of people know, I have a PhD in CS and have worked every position (in five countries and two continents) from Junior Programmer on a mainframe to Director of Software Development in a couple of companies doing everything from expert systems to language interpreters to tape robot control. I have written standards documents at a lot of companies and trained many, many developers in HTML, XML, multi-threading, and other useful stuff. I have now taken a position as a Senior Software Engineer in the government as a sort of retirement job (the medical and pension plans are great!). Then a member of my team insists on plugging React into our huge web-based intranet system, breaks everything in sight but still insists he is right and we should all change everything to fit his new idea of how things should be done. In addition he spends at least half of every code-review explaining why our established naming conventions should be changed to the way he does it because he read an article by someone who worked on Farcebook who suggested some conventions. My question is: Where is the best place to bury a body? Just asking for a friend. ;P [Update] Our wonderful manager has moved him to another team. The complaints have already started. Now I am really asking for a friend!

                - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                Martijn Smitshoek
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                You should be free to state that "persistence of an opinion is not the same as knowledge or professionalism". However, the problem with these folks is that summary execution does not help, and they will keep talking even when the head is chronically severed from the body. We call them "zweefteef" but I can't seem to find a suitable translation.

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                • M Martijn Smitshoek

                  You should be free to state that "persistence of an opinion is not the same as knowledge or professionalism". However, the problem with these folks is that summary execution does not help, and they will keep talking even when the head is chronically severed from the body. We call them "zweefteef" but I can't seem to find a suitable translation.

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                  "Airhead" maybe? :-\

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                  • D Dominic Burford

                    Pitchforks at the ready everyone, we got another one over here :laugh:

                    "There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare Home | LinkedIn | Google+ | Twitter

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                    And don't forget the scythes :-\

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                    • R Ravi Bhavnani

                      Forogar wrote:

                      Where is the best place to bury a body?

                      IMHO, that's the wrong approach.  I suggest instead promoting him to a position where he doesn't have access to source code. /ravi

                      My new year resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Articles | My .NET bits | Freeware ravib(at)ravib(dot)com

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                      Ravi Bhavnani wrote:

                      IMHO, that's the wrong approach.  I suggest instead promoting him to a position where he doesn't have access to source code.

                      Senior project manager?

                      I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                      • F Forogar

                        I have been a professional programmer/developer/whatever since 1980. I wrote my first working program in 1975 (it worked first time, and the rest is history). I know a lot of stuff, I have forgotten more stuff than a lot of people know, I have a PhD in CS and have worked every position (in five countries and two continents) from Junior Programmer on a mainframe to Director of Software Development in a couple of companies doing everything from expert systems to language interpreters to tape robot control. I have written standards documents at a lot of companies and trained many, many developers in HTML, XML, multi-threading, and other useful stuff. I have now taken a position as a Senior Software Engineer in the government as a sort of retirement job (the medical and pension plans are great!). Then a member of my team insists on plugging React into our huge web-based intranet system, breaks everything in sight but still insists he is right and we should all change everything to fit his new idea of how things should be done. In addition he spends at least half of every code-review explaining why our established naming conventions should be changed to the way he does it because he read an article by someone who worked on Farcebook who suggested some conventions. My question is: Where is the best place to bury a body? Just asking for a friend. ;P [Update] Our wonderful manager has moved him to another team. The complaints have already started. Now I am really asking for a friend!

                        - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                        Nand32
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                        Forogar wrote:

                        Where is the best place to bury a body? J

                        Bingo?[^] It's easy when people do it as a routine.

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                        • F Forogar

                          I have been a professional programmer/developer/whatever since 1980. I wrote my first working program in 1975 (it worked first time, and the rest is history). I know a lot of stuff, I have forgotten more stuff than a lot of people know, I have a PhD in CS and have worked every position (in five countries and two continents) from Junior Programmer on a mainframe to Director of Software Development in a couple of companies doing everything from expert systems to language interpreters to tape robot control. I have written standards documents at a lot of companies and trained many, many developers in HTML, XML, multi-threading, and other useful stuff. I have now taken a position as a Senior Software Engineer in the government as a sort of retirement job (the medical and pension plans are great!). Then a member of my team insists on plugging React into our huge web-based intranet system, breaks everything in sight but still insists he is right and we should all change everything to fit his new idea of how things should be done. In addition he spends at least half of every code-review explaining why our established naming conventions should be changed to the way he does it because he read an article by someone who worked on Farcebook who suggested some conventions. My question is: Where is the best place to bury a body? Just asking for a friend. ;P [Update] Our wonderful manager has moved him to another team. The complaints have already started. Now I am really asking for a friend!

                          - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                          On the pavement in front of your office, only valid if you throw him from high enough though... aa aaa aaaa aaaaa aaaaaa aaaaaaa aaaaaaaa aaaaaaarrgghhhhhh [splet] (too harsh? :~)

                          V.

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                          • F Forogar

                            I have been a professional programmer/developer/whatever since 1980. I wrote my first working program in 1975 (it worked first time, and the rest is history). I know a lot of stuff, I have forgotten more stuff than a lot of people know, I have a PhD in CS and have worked every position (in five countries and two continents) from Junior Programmer on a mainframe to Director of Software Development in a couple of companies doing everything from expert systems to language interpreters to tape robot control. I have written standards documents at a lot of companies and trained many, many developers in HTML, XML, multi-threading, and other useful stuff. I have now taken a position as a Senior Software Engineer in the government as a sort of retirement job (the medical and pension plans are great!). Then a member of my team insists on plugging React into our huge web-based intranet system, breaks everything in sight but still insists he is right and we should all change everything to fit his new idea of how things should be done. In addition he spends at least half of every code-review explaining why our established naming conventions should be changed to the way he does it because he read an article by someone who worked on Farcebook who suggested some conventions. My question is: Where is the best place to bury a body? Just asking for a friend. ;P [Update] Our wonderful manager has moved him to another team. The complaints have already started. Now I am really asking for a friend!

                            - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                            maze3
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                            At the least, only verbally tell your friend. You don't want to be implicated with a paper trail. Also before telling them, check them for any recording devices. Maybe also do the meeting in the server room so the deafening noise masks anything you say.

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                            • F Forogar

                              I have been a professional programmer/developer/whatever since 1980. I wrote my first working program in 1975 (it worked first time, and the rest is history). I know a lot of stuff, I have forgotten more stuff than a lot of people know, I have a PhD in CS and have worked every position (in five countries and two continents) from Junior Programmer on a mainframe to Director of Software Development in a couple of companies doing everything from expert systems to language interpreters to tape robot control. I have written standards documents at a lot of companies and trained many, many developers in HTML, XML, multi-threading, and other useful stuff. I have now taken a position as a Senior Software Engineer in the government as a sort of retirement job (the medical and pension plans are great!). Then a member of my team insists on plugging React into our huge web-based intranet system, breaks everything in sight but still insists he is right and we should all change everything to fit his new idea of how things should be done. In addition he spends at least half of every code-review explaining why our established naming conventions should be changed to the way he does it because he read an article by someone who worked on Farcebook who suggested some conventions. My question is: Where is the best place to bury a body? Just asking for a friend. ;P [Update] Our wonderful manager has moved him to another team. The complaints have already started. Now I am really asking for a friend!

                              - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                              W Balboos GHB
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                              Well - the way you describe the new team member - and the way you describe yourself - I'd either 'off the both of you' or put you both in the same cell.

                              Ravings en masse^

                              "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                              "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                              • F Forogar

                                I have been a professional programmer/developer/whatever since 1980. I wrote my first working program in 1975 (it worked first time, and the rest is history). I know a lot of stuff, I have forgotten more stuff than a lot of people know, I have a PhD in CS and have worked every position (in five countries and two continents) from Junior Programmer on a mainframe to Director of Software Development in a couple of companies doing everything from expert systems to language interpreters to tape robot control. I have written standards documents at a lot of companies and trained many, many developers in HTML, XML, multi-threading, and other useful stuff. I have now taken a position as a Senior Software Engineer in the government as a sort of retirement job (the medical and pension plans are great!). Then a member of my team insists on plugging React into our huge web-based intranet system, breaks everything in sight but still insists he is right and we should all change everything to fit his new idea of how things should be done. In addition he spends at least half of every code-review explaining why our established naming conventions should be changed to the way he does it because he read an article by someone who worked on Farcebook who suggested some conventions. My question is: Where is the best place to bury a body? Just asking for a friend. ;P [Update] Our wonderful manager has moved him to another team. The complaints have already started. Now I am really asking for a friend!

                                - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                                He needs a STFU from the group, or cement shoes, always in style.:suss:

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                                • R Ravi Bhavnani

                                  Forogar wrote:

                                  Where is the best place to bury a body?

                                  IMHO, that's the wrong approach.  I suggest instead promoting him to a position where he doesn't have access to source code. /ravi

                                  My new year resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Articles | My .NET bits | Freeware ravib(at)ravib(dot)com

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                                  Keefer S
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                                  I've seen such things too often to count. The more inept the employee, the faster they seem to get promoted at times.

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                                  • R Ravi Bhavnani

                                    Forogar wrote:

                                    Where is the best place to bury a body?

                                    IMHO, that's the wrong approach.  I suggest instead promoting him to a position where he doesn't have access to source code. /ravi

                                    My new year resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Articles | My .NET bits | Freeware ravib(at)ravib(dot)com

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                                    Daniel Pfeffer
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                                    Ravi Bhavnani wrote:

                                    promoting him to a position where he doesn't have access to source code.

                                    Company Historian, perhaps?

                                    Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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                                    • F Forogar

                                      I have been a professional programmer/developer/whatever since 1980. I wrote my first working program in 1975 (it worked first time, and the rest is history). I know a lot of stuff, I have forgotten more stuff than a lot of people know, I have a PhD in CS and have worked every position (in five countries and two continents) from Junior Programmer on a mainframe to Director of Software Development in a couple of companies doing everything from expert systems to language interpreters to tape robot control. I have written standards documents at a lot of companies and trained many, many developers in HTML, XML, multi-threading, and other useful stuff. I have now taken a position as a Senior Software Engineer in the government as a sort of retirement job (the medical and pension plans are great!). Then a member of my team insists on plugging React into our huge web-based intranet system, breaks everything in sight but still insists he is right and we should all change everything to fit his new idea of how things should be done. In addition he spends at least half of every code-review explaining why our established naming conventions should be changed to the way he does it because he read an article by someone who worked on Farcebook who suggested some conventions. My question is: Where is the best place to bury a body? Just asking for a friend. ;P [Update] Our wonderful manager has moved him to another team. The complaints have already started. Now I am really asking for a friend!

                                      - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                                      Just playing devil's advocate here: is it possible he's right (just overly enthusiastic)? In my example, I got to my current place where these HPCs are, "MVC is too hard", "Linq makes weird queries and is too hard", "ADO.NET is better than EF", etc, etc. Then running around babbling about adding memory to SQL Server because their crappy sprocs return every record that qualifies for a search, rather than one page's worth of things. Rewrote our main search into EF/linq, a little skip/take action later, our SQL memory problem disappeared. I don't know if React is a good or bad thing. We need to keep moving forward, but in a sensible manner. Maybe it should be added, but as a project unto itself? As opposed to, "I'm making this other change which doesn't require react, but while I'm up, I'll throw that in."

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                                      • F Forogar

                                        I have been a professional programmer/developer/whatever since 1980. I wrote my first working program in 1975 (it worked first time, and the rest is history). I know a lot of stuff, I have forgotten more stuff than a lot of people know, I have a PhD in CS and have worked every position (in five countries and two continents) from Junior Programmer on a mainframe to Director of Software Development in a couple of companies doing everything from expert systems to language interpreters to tape robot control. I have written standards documents at a lot of companies and trained many, many developers in HTML, XML, multi-threading, and other useful stuff. I have now taken a position as a Senior Software Engineer in the government as a sort of retirement job (the medical and pension plans are great!). Then a member of my team insists on plugging React into our huge web-based intranet system, breaks everything in sight but still insists he is right and we should all change everything to fit his new idea of how things should be done. In addition he spends at least half of every code-review explaining why our established naming conventions should be changed to the way he does it because he read an article by someone who worked on Farcebook who suggested some conventions. My question is: Where is the best place to bury a body? Just asking for a friend. ;P [Update] Our wonderful manager has moved him to another team. The complaints have already started. Now I am really asking for a friend!

                                        - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                                        englebart
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                                        Create a policy that new work must pass UAT with javascript disabled! There goes react. You can say that a new policy to disable javascript is being considered by some of the departments that deal with sensitive info.

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                                        • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                          I work for butchers, I could probably sell it as pork. However, if you make it look like an accident you may not have to hide it at all. However, that may be too... Humane. If you really want him to suffer, without breaking any laws, tell him you really need the application to print a report using Crystal Reports and he's the one who should make it because no one else is smart enough.

                                          Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Migrating Applications to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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                                          Quote:

                                          using Crystal Reports

                                          Even I'm not that cruel! Hmmm... that's an idea though.

                                          - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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