Mickeysoft, y u do dis!?
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Richard MacCutchan wrote:
"We'll take that under advisement". Which is a phrase that I have never really understood; but I am pretty sure it means, "screw you buster!"
It's not as bad as that. It just means "when Hell freezes over." :laugh:
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¿Que? (43 million Americans speak Spanish as a first language)
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We had many similar issues at my last firm which was a US (but 'international') company. On a number of occasions I tried to get changes made so things worked everywhere, not just in the USA. The response was always the same, "We'll take that under advisement". Which is a phrase that I have never really understood; but I am pretty sure it means, "screw you buster!".
A developer will mention it to his manager, who'll answer "no" and then they've "taken it under advisement" :D Perhaps they even have it documented somewhere so that if you sue them they'll be able to say "we considered it, but after much thought voted against it." ;)
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A developer will mention it to his manager, who'll answer "no" and then they've "taken it under advisement" :D Perhaps they even have it documented somewhere so that if you sue them they'll be able to say "we considered it, but after much thought voted against it." ;)
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I'm creating a new ASP.NET Core 3.1 Razor Pages application with individual user authentication using an in-app store (so SQL Server, as opposed to (Azure) AD). The cool part is that Microsoft gives you a complete out-of-the-box register, login and profile solution, complete with 2FA and external authentication (OAuth 2.0). It's all hidden inside some package so it doesn't clutter your solution either, although you have the option to scaffold each page individually if you like. Really great, kudos to Microsoft, except... IT'S ALL IN ELEPHANTING ENGLISH! :mad: I've searched for a way to localize the default pages, but I can't find a proper solution. When I scaffold the pages they have hard-coded strings in the HTML as well as the C# code. Also, you really can't beat logic like this (if some string that the user is going to read starts with "Error"):
var statusMessageClass = Model.StartsWith("Error") ? "danger" : "success";
I've scaffolded all pages and I'm replacing all hard-coded strings with resource file references :sigh: It's quite a lot, so it keeps me off the streets and working for my money. Still better than doing it all myself, but if you're going to offer this as one of the biggest companies on the planet, at least think about such stuff :sigh:
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Having been to the USA umpteen times that does not surprise me at all. Most of the population there is hardly aware that there is something like a world outside of the USA. What do you expect when even their own president hardly knows any other country than Mexico, Russia and China. One of them being more or less OK, the other two ones obvious enemies. When Belgium is part of Brussels they obviously should be able to speak murrican, not the other three dumb official languages in this corner of the world.
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Having been to the USA umpteen times that does not surprise me at all. Most of the population there is hardly aware that there is something like a world outside of the USA. What do you expect when even their own president hardly knows any other country than Mexico, Russia and China. One of them being more or less OK, the other two ones obvious enemies. When Belgium is part of Brussels they obviously should be able to speak murrican, not the other three dumb official languages in this corner of the world.
fd9750 wrote:
Having been to the USA umpteen times that does not surprise me at all. Most of the population there is hardly aware that there is something like a world outside of the USA.
Examples?
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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I'm creating a new ASP.NET Core 3.1 Razor Pages application with individual user authentication using an in-app store (so SQL Server, as opposed to (Azure) AD). The cool part is that Microsoft gives you a complete out-of-the-box register, login and profile solution, complete with 2FA and external authentication (OAuth 2.0). It's all hidden inside some package so it doesn't clutter your solution either, although you have the option to scaffold each page individually if you like. Really great, kudos to Microsoft, except... IT'S ALL IN ELEPHANTING ENGLISH! :mad: I've searched for a way to localize the default pages, but I can't find a proper solution. When I scaffold the pages they have hard-coded strings in the HTML as well as the C# code. Also, you really can't beat logic like this (if some string that the user is going to read starts with "Error"):
var statusMessageClass = Model.StartsWith("Error") ? "danger" : "success";
I've scaffolded all pages and I'm replacing all hard-coded strings with resource file references :sigh: It's quite a lot, so it keeps me off the streets and working for my money. Still better than doing it all myself, but if you're going to offer this as one of the biggest companies on the planet, at least think about such stuff :sigh:
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OK, I can easily understand your frustration. Yet, at system level, MS has been way ahead of the major competitors with regard to internationalization, all since Windows 1.0: If you accept to call Win 1.0 an "OS" (it was more so than DOS, even in version one!), it probably was the first OS to use as their core OS character set one that coveres the majority of the European languages: ISO 8859-1. MS was also very early to provide alternatives using other 8859-? variants outside Europe/America, with high quality translations of the user interface components. Surely, in 16-bit Windows, i.e. up to Win98, system components were not language flexible. If my memory is correct, Charles Petzold (The Windows programming tutor!) provided detail instructions on how to dynamically link DLLs into your application according to the user's language preference. I never programmed Win1.x myself, but I did program multi-language application under Win 2.11. Since then, fully internationalized applications have been readily available. The programming methods described are in every serious textbook on Windows programming. No application developer is forced to provide DLLs for Sami and Greek, but it all depends on the developer - the required mechanisms have been available for thirty years. Handling everything from simple 26-letter English to many-thousand ideographs Asian languages in a single application requires Win32, using UTF16 as its native character set. Win NT is 26 years old. Which other OSes had core support for UTF16 at at that time? When MS started shipping an Arial Unicode TrueType font with their OS, it certainly didn't include all characters, but all those required for plain text in the majority of the languages of the world. How many years did it take for the competiors to follow? Oldboys remember the document format wars between ODF (Open Document Format) and MS' OOXML about fifteen years ago. One serious critisism of OOXML was that it was too complex: Certainly, a share of its features had no value for Western languages, they were tailored to Asaian ideogram based languages. Strong voices in the "open" world fiercely opposed such complexity, as it would raise the required resources for implementing full format support, which would be in disfavor of that "everyone can make his own free and open implementation" idea. Essentially, MS has been a strong supporter for full internationalization, providing basic mechanisms and programming guidance at a sign
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fd9750 wrote:
Having been to the USA umpteen times that does not surprise me at all. Most of the population there is hardly aware that there is something like a world outside of the USA.
Examples?
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
My cousin was in a US family for 4 months last year. They explained her some things like she came of middle age or something similar. "This is a wash machine... do you have this in germany?" :doh: :doh: :doh: Luckily enough, they realized the "error" pretty fast and then it was better.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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¿Que? (43 million Americans speak Spanish as a first language)
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
OriginalGriff wrote:
43 million Americans
Not anymore!
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My cousin was in a US family for 4 months last year. They explained her some things like she came of middle age or something similar. "This is a wash machine... do you have this in germany?" :doh: :doh: :doh: Luckily enough, they realized the "error" pretty fast and then it was better.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Nelek wrote:
"This is a wash machine... do you have this in germany?"
I don't know Germany but I do know Mexico and that type of question is perfectly reasonable when dealing with Mexico.
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fd9750 wrote:
Having been to the USA umpteen times that does not surprise me at all. Most of the population there is hardly aware that there is something like a world outside of the USA.
Examples?
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
ZurdoDev wrote:
Examples?
It is difficult to answer that without risking to be censored for talking politics in the Lounge. I will risk it anyway: Lots of USanians blindly accept The Leader's claim that the nation is the world's leading nation in corona testing. The leader tells them, so why should they care to check e.g. the worldometers.info survey showing that in tests per capita, the US was earlier today ranking #43 on the list when ordered by tests per capita? When their leader tells them the Truth, why doubt it? What is the use of checking false news resources? The Great Leader condemns the Swedish approach of "let the virus spread!" - Sweden has currently 30% more deaths per capita than the US - The Gerat Leader praises the Norwegian approach, my country, with no mention that the US has six times as many deaths per capita as Norway. Which True American looks beyond The Leader and his claims? Maybe a small handful of journalists, but they are easily knocked down for asking "nasty questions" at the press conferences. I wish that this was limited to The Great Leader, but I know it isn't. To take one example: I was living in a US family for a year. Sometimes they bought loaves of bread from a baker using bread bags printed with "Bread for the world" (g** knows why!) and a series of different flags. For the flag labeled "Norway", the red and blue colors were interchanged. I pointed that out to my host family. They hardly cared to shrug: So what? The baker couldn't know that someone knowing the Norwegian flag would see those bread bags! Another example, although second-hand: A colleague of mine told that he had been working with a US colleague at IBM (tradtionally more multi-culturally oriented than many other companies), complaining about poor support for the extra Scandinavian letters, æøå or in the Swedish variants äöå. This US guy, working with internationalization, claimed that they had full support. When my colleague asked about these letters, the issue was completely unknown to the US guy - at first he refused to accept that there could be other letters than a-z! Lots of web stores insist that there must be a "state" level between the nation and town level, because that is the way it is in the US. In the phone number, they insist that there must be an area code between the nation code and the local number, the way it is in the US. They insist on a zip code following the state abbreviation, because that is
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My cousin was in a US family for 4 months last year. They explained her some things like she came of middle age or something similar. "This is a wash machine... do you have this in germany?" :doh: :doh: :doh: Luckily enough, they realized the "error" pretty fast and then it was better.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
On the other hand... When I was high school age, I spent a year in a US family. Part of the experience was giving presentations in various groups about how it was to be a seventeen year old back home in Norway. At that time, Norway had a single TV channel, a fact completely out of the mental reach of the kids. So what did we do, evenings and nighs? We went on trips, walking or biking. Maybe fishing. Maybe to the movies, but that was only in the weekends. So what did you do otherwise? We visited each other and sat down discussing. Talking. Talk??? Did you talk, every night??? That is what I remember in particular "Did you talk, every night?" It made no sense to them, even for upper-teenage kids to spend time talking, disussing. The value of whetting your ideas and thoughts against an opposition, coming to terms with your own thougts, seemed to be a more or less completely unknown value to them. They didn't understand why I valued it highly. There were physical elements quite different from what I was used to: I was familiar with washing machines, so they caused no problem, but I was shocked to learn that wintertime, the sofa and chairs was pulled back from the outer walls, away from the frost. If there were insulation in the walls at all, it certainly was only a fraction of what I was used to. We clinged to the huge central oil furnace, staying away from outer walls and windows. (This was in Minnesota; blizzards were certainly not uncommon!) My shock over missing insulation (and several similar things) I did not proclaim loudly, but filed in my archive: That's how they do it here - rather than insulating, they keep a really huge oil furnace and pull all the furniture away from the outer walls at winter time. Crazy, in my eyes, but if that's how they want it... Actually, it is not too far away from the washing machine: Your Norwegian host family takes you on a two week mountain trip, with no washing machine in the tent. Up in the mountains, what to you prefer: Go on in your dirty clothes, or wash them in a bucket at the cabin? That is what student exchange programs are for: Telling how large the cultural differences may be, even between supeficially quite similar societies. I was shocked how primitive building constructions were in the US Midwest; American kids coming to a higly developed country as Norway may be shocked by how primitive we are when we go out in nature. Dont' be shocked by anything, either way! Just observe that "OK, so that's the way it is done here". Or
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ZurdoDev wrote:
Examples?
It is difficult to answer that without risking to be censored for talking politics in the Lounge. I will risk it anyway: Lots of USanians blindly accept The Leader's claim that the nation is the world's leading nation in corona testing. The leader tells them, so why should they care to check e.g. the worldometers.info survey showing that in tests per capita, the US was earlier today ranking #43 on the list when ordered by tests per capita? When their leader tells them the Truth, why doubt it? What is the use of checking false news resources? The Great Leader condemns the Swedish approach of "let the virus spread!" - Sweden has currently 30% more deaths per capita than the US - The Gerat Leader praises the Norwegian approach, my country, with no mention that the US has six times as many deaths per capita as Norway. Which True American looks beyond The Leader and his claims? Maybe a small handful of journalists, but they are easily knocked down for asking "nasty questions" at the press conferences. I wish that this was limited to The Great Leader, but I know it isn't. To take one example: I was living in a US family for a year. Sometimes they bought loaves of bread from a baker using bread bags printed with "Bread for the world" (g** knows why!) and a series of different flags. For the flag labeled "Norway", the red and blue colors were interchanged. I pointed that out to my host family. They hardly cared to shrug: So what? The baker couldn't know that someone knowing the Norwegian flag would see those bread bags! Another example, although second-hand: A colleague of mine told that he had been working with a US colleague at IBM (tradtionally more multi-culturally oriented than many other companies), complaining about poor support for the extra Scandinavian letters, æøå or in the Swedish variants äöå. This US guy, working with internationalization, claimed that they had full support. When my colleague asked about these letters, the issue was completely unknown to the US guy - at first he refused to accept that there could be other letters than a-z! Lots of web stores insist that there must be a "state" level between the nation and town level, because that is the way it is in the US. In the phone number, they insist that there must be an area code between the nation code and the local number, the way it is in the US. They insist on a zip code following the state abbreviation, because that is
Member 7989122 wrote:
Lots of USanians blindly accept The Leader's claim that the nation is the world's leading nation in corona testing. The leader tells them, so why should they care to check e.g.
First off, where are you getting your stats for "lots?" And how many is lots? I would bet it is because you are blindly listening to our left-wing media which is known for lying. So, I find it very ironic that you would claim others are blindly listening to Trump. Did Trump ever say per capita? ... TLDR ... And you say that you have higher values than the US but are OK with kids running around naked. That's pretty funny.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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I'm creating a new ASP.NET Core 3.1 Razor Pages application with individual user authentication using an in-app store (so SQL Server, as opposed to (Azure) AD). The cool part is that Microsoft gives you a complete out-of-the-box register, login and profile solution, complete with 2FA and external authentication (OAuth 2.0). It's all hidden inside some package so it doesn't clutter your solution either, although you have the option to scaffold each page individually if you like. Really great, kudos to Microsoft, except... IT'S ALL IN ELEPHANTING ENGLISH! :mad: I've searched for a way to localize the default pages, but I can't find a proper solution. When I scaffold the pages they have hard-coded strings in the HTML as well as the C# code. Also, you really can't beat logic like this (if some string that the user is going to read starts with "Error"):
var statusMessageClass = Model.StartsWith("Error") ? "danger" : "success";
I've scaffolded all pages and I'm replacing all hard-coded strings with resource file references :sigh: It's quite a lot, so it keeps me off the streets and working for my money. Still better than doing it all myself, but if you're going to offer this as one of the biggest companies on the planet, at least think about such stuff :sigh:
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Had seen an application (long back, Win 95/98 days), when localization / internationalization was still new. It was an MFC application, where String Resources were used, which were switched based on the locale (English and Japanese). Except that for the message boxes, the Japanese strings were empty (in Version 1). So, whenever a message box popped up in Japanese locale, there would be no message, just OK and Cancel buttons. The user would not know what he was doing :-) Of course, this was later rectified, but it was fun to see empty message boxes in the first version.
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¿Que? (43 million Americans speak Spanish as a first language)
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
I believe they call it "Mexican" over there, not "Spanish". ;P
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fd9750 wrote:
Having been to the USA umpteen times that does not surprise me at all. Most of the population there is hardly aware that there is something like a world outside of the USA.
Examples?
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
The simplest example is news on television, whether or not they lean to the left or right side is not even relevant. In the US they have one thing in common: whenever there is a news broadcast it is almost 100% local (USA) news. If anything important happens anywhere else it is barely mentioned and if so very briefly. When you are used to news broadcasts in Europe which generally spend almost 50% of the time on reporting stuff happening somewhere outside of their own country or outside of Europe the difference is staggering. The result is that the average European has a pretty good idea where the USA is, where, for example, Texas and California are within it and where a good number of countries in Europe, South America, Africa and Asia are. I am sad to having to say it but personal experience tells me that that is rarely the case for the average US citizen.
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Having been to the USA umpteen times that does not surprise me at all. Most of the population there is hardly aware that there is something like a world outside of the USA. What do you expect when even their own president hardly knows any other country than Mexico, Russia and China. One of them being more or less OK, the other two ones obvious enemies. When Belgium is part of Brussels they obviously should be able to speak murrican, not the other three dumb official languages in this corner of the world.
Your're right. Some years ago a colleague and I were in a cab from JFK to downtown New York. After some time the driver says, "Where you guys from?", to which my colleague answers, "We're from Australia". After a long pause... "Is that down south somewhere?"
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Member 7989122 wrote:
Lots of USanians blindly accept The Leader's claim that the nation is the world's leading nation in corona testing. The leader tells them, so why should they care to check e.g.
First off, where are you getting your stats for "lots?" And how many is lots? I would bet it is because you are blindly listening to our left-wing media which is known for lying. So, I find it very ironic that you would claim others are blindly listening to Trump. Did Trump ever say per capita? ... TLDR ... And you say that you have higher values than the US but are OK with kids running around naked. That's pretty funny.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
ZurdoDev wrote:
Did Trump ever say per capita?
First: I never suggested that he did, because he didn't. That is the very problem. He is very concious about when to point out that USA is the huge 330 million population: Considering that, the figures are reasonable. He leaves it at that, knowing very well that 99,9% of his audience will never check up the figures, and compare them to other countries. At least 99,95% of the audience will conclude from what he says that even though figures are high, that is because of the population size, as pointed out by Our Great Leader. Whenever he refers to population size, you know that a high figure is negative. Take Corona deaths: Everyone knows about Belgium, Spain, Italy, UK, France and Sweden, but USA actually ranks #13 on that list. Sweden has 28% more deaths per capita, but he does not want the audience to focus on that; he rather points to the size of the USA, so that they will believe that USA is at least as good as the avareage, even though death counts are high. He rather praises Norway for choosing the same strategy as USA, without pointing out that the death per capita is one sixth of the USA figure. He wants to leave an impression that USA and Norway follows the same strategy with very similar results (but please do not check the figures!). When a high figure is something to be proud of, then he never refers to the size of the US population. The essential point is that these figures are huge. Please do not ask for the per capita values; then they are not as impressing anymore. Take number of corona tests made: USA ranks #40 (up from 43 a week ago). Norway's per capita is 26% higher, but ignore that: Norway has made only 205,239 tests while USA has made a whooping 9,935,720 - isn't that something to be proud of? Russia has made 37% more tests per capita, Italy 47%, Belgium 74%, Spain 76% more, Luxembourg 3 times as many, Iceland 5,3 times as many -but please keep this low (it ruins the image of USA being the world leader, rather than #40). If a journalist would dare to point out such facts, Our Great Leader would most likely call it a "nasty question". Maybe he would leave the press conference. He probably would call the figures "false news" (aka "news that I don't like"). If he decided to step down and answer in a "polite" (for being him) way, he would most certainly not at all relate to Russia, Italy, Spain, but point out that Iceland is a very small country.
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The simplest example is news on television, whether or not they lean to the left or right side is not even relevant. In the US they have one thing in common: whenever there is a news broadcast it is almost 100% local (USA) news. If anything important happens anywhere else it is barely mentioned and if so very briefly. When you are used to news broadcasts in Europe which generally spend almost 50% of the time on reporting stuff happening somewhere outside of their own country or outside of Europe the difference is staggering. The result is that the average European has a pretty good idea where the USA is, where, for example, Texas and California are within it and where a good number of countries in Europe, South America, Africa and Asia are. I am sad to having to say it but personal experience tells me that that is rarely the case for the average US citizen.
fd9750 wrote:
it is almost 100% local (USA) news
It's a big country.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
Did Trump ever say per capita?
First: I never suggested that he did, because he didn't. That is the very problem. He is very concious about when to point out that USA is the huge 330 million population: Considering that, the figures are reasonable. He leaves it at that, knowing very well that 99,9% of his audience will never check up the figures, and compare them to other countries. At least 99,95% of the audience will conclude from what he says that even though figures are high, that is because of the population size, as pointed out by Our Great Leader. Whenever he refers to population size, you know that a high figure is negative. Take Corona deaths: Everyone knows about Belgium, Spain, Italy, UK, France and Sweden, but USA actually ranks #13 on that list. Sweden has 28% more deaths per capita, but he does not want the audience to focus on that; he rather points to the size of the USA, so that they will believe that USA is at least as good as the avareage, even though death counts are high. He rather praises Norway for choosing the same strategy as USA, without pointing out that the death per capita is one sixth of the USA figure. He wants to leave an impression that USA and Norway follows the same strategy with very similar results (but please do not check the figures!). When a high figure is something to be proud of, then he never refers to the size of the US population. The essential point is that these figures are huge. Please do not ask for the per capita values; then they are not as impressing anymore. Take number of corona tests made: USA ranks #40 (up from 43 a week ago). Norway's per capita is 26% higher, but ignore that: Norway has made only 205,239 tests while USA has made a whooping 9,935,720 - isn't that something to be proud of? Russia has made 37% more tests per capita, Italy 47%, Belgium 74%, Spain 76% more, Luxembourg 3 times as many, Iceland 5,3 times as many -but please keep this low (it ruins the image of USA being the world leader, rather than #40). If a journalist would dare to point out such facts, Our Great Leader would most likely call it a "nasty question". Maybe he would leave the press conference. He probably would call the figures "false news" (aka "news that I don't like"). If he decided to step down and answer in a "polite" (for being him) way, he would most certainly not at all relate to Russia, Italy, Spain, but point out that Iceland is a very small country.
Member 7989122 wrote:
I never suggested that he did, because he didn't.
Then why did you argue that point?
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