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Member 7989122 wrote:
Lots of USanians blindly accept The Leader's claim that the nation is the world's leading nation in corona testing. The leader tells them, so why should they care to check e.g.
First off, where are you getting your stats for "lots?" And how many is lots? I would bet it is because you are blindly listening to our left-wing media which is known for lying. So, I find it very ironic that you would claim others are blindly listening to Trump. Did Trump ever say per capita? ... TLDR ... And you say that you have higher values than the US but are OK with kids running around naked. That's pretty funny.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
Did Trump ever say per capita?
First: I never suggested that he did, because he didn't. That is the very problem. He is very concious about when to point out that USA is the huge 330 million population: Considering that, the figures are reasonable. He leaves it at that, knowing very well that 99,9% of his audience will never check up the figures, and compare them to other countries. At least 99,95% of the audience will conclude from what he says that even though figures are high, that is because of the population size, as pointed out by Our Great Leader. Whenever he refers to population size, you know that a high figure is negative. Take Corona deaths: Everyone knows about Belgium, Spain, Italy, UK, France and Sweden, but USA actually ranks #13 on that list. Sweden has 28% more deaths per capita, but he does not want the audience to focus on that; he rather points to the size of the USA, so that they will believe that USA is at least as good as the avareage, even though death counts are high. He rather praises Norway for choosing the same strategy as USA, without pointing out that the death per capita is one sixth of the USA figure. He wants to leave an impression that USA and Norway follows the same strategy with very similar results (but please do not check the figures!). When a high figure is something to be proud of, then he never refers to the size of the US population. The essential point is that these figures are huge. Please do not ask for the per capita values; then they are not as impressing anymore. Take number of corona tests made: USA ranks #40 (up from 43 a week ago). Norway's per capita is 26% higher, but ignore that: Norway has made only 205,239 tests while USA has made a whooping 9,935,720 - isn't that something to be proud of? Russia has made 37% more tests per capita, Italy 47%, Belgium 74%, Spain 76% more, Luxembourg 3 times as many, Iceland 5,3 times as many -but please keep this low (it ruins the image of USA being the world leader, rather than #40). If a journalist would dare to point out such facts, Our Great Leader would most likely call it a "nasty question". Maybe he would leave the press conference. He probably would call the figures "false news" (aka "news that I don't like"). If he decided to step down and answer in a "polite" (for being him) way, he would most certainly not at all relate to Russia, Italy, Spain, but point out that Iceland is a very small country.
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The simplest example is news on television, whether or not they lean to the left or right side is not even relevant. In the US they have one thing in common: whenever there is a news broadcast it is almost 100% local (USA) news. If anything important happens anywhere else it is barely mentioned and if so very briefly. When you are used to news broadcasts in Europe which generally spend almost 50% of the time on reporting stuff happening somewhere outside of their own country or outside of Europe the difference is staggering. The result is that the average European has a pretty good idea where the USA is, where, for example, Texas and California are within it and where a good number of countries in Europe, South America, Africa and Asia are. I am sad to having to say it but personal experience tells me that that is rarely the case for the average US citizen.
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it is almost 100% local (USA) news
It's a big country.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
Did Trump ever say per capita?
First: I never suggested that he did, because he didn't. That is the very problem. He is very concious about when to point out that USA is the huge 330 million population: Considering that, the figures are reasonable. He leaves it at that, knowing very well that 99,9% of his audience will never check up the figures, and compare them to other countries. At least 99,95% of the audience will conclude from what he says that even though figures are high, that is because of the population size, as pointed out by Our Great Leader. Whenever he refers to population size, you know that a high figure is negative. Take Corona deaths: Everyone knows about Belgium, Spain, Italy, UK, France and Sweden, but USA actually ranks #13 on that list. Sweden has 28% more deaths per capita, but he does not want the audience to focus on that; he rather points to the size of the USA, so that they will believe that USA is at least as good as the avareage, even though death counts are high. He rather praises Norway for choosing the same strategy as USA, without pointing out that the death per capita is one sixth of the USA figure. He wants to leave an impression that USA and Norway follows the same strategy with very similar results (but please do not check the figures!). When a high figure is something to be proud of, then he never refers to the size of the US population. The essential point is that these figures are huge. Please do not ask for the per capita values; then they are not as impressing anymore. Take number of corona tests made: USA ranks #40 (up from 43 a week ago). Norway's per capita is 26% higher, but ignore that: Norway has made only 205,239 tests while USA has made a whooping 9,935,720 - isn't that something to be proud of? Russia has made 37% more tests per capita, Italy 47%, Belgium 74%, Spain 76% more, Luxembourg 3 times as many, Iceland 5,3 times as many -but please keep this low (it ruins the image of USA being the world leader, rather than #40). If a journalist would dare to point out such facts, Our Great Leader would most likely call it a "nasty question". Maybe he would leave the press conference. He probably would call the figures "false news" (aka "news that I don't like"). If he decided to step down and answer in a "polite" (for being him) way, he would most certainly not at all relate to Russia, Italy, Spain, but point out that Iceland is a very small country.
Member 7989122 wrote:
I never suggested that he did, because he didn't.
Then why did you argue that point?
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Member 7989122 wrote:
I never suggested that he did, because he didn't.
Then why did you argue that point?
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ZurdoDev wrote:
Then why did you argue that point?
Because I didn't. I pointed out that per capita figures may give a completely different impression, but I did not say that Our Great Leader said so. Well, he might have, when I didn't hear it. But I haven't heard him refer to per capita figures in any of the press conferences I have listened to. As I wrote in my previous entry: If he wants to diminish an unpleasantly high figure, he refers to the size of the US population, and leaves it at that. If he wants to diminish some positive values from another country, he point out the smallness of the country's population, to make it appear as insignficant. So he does refer to population size, in ways that makes US appear as highly successful and other countries' sucesses insignificant. But he does not refer to per capita figures; they wouldn't serve his election campaign. And I never did say that he refers to per capita figures.
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fd9750 wrote:
it is almost 100% local (USA) news
It's a big country.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
Then why did you argue that point?
Because I didn't. I pointed out that per capita figures may give a completely different impression, but I did not say that Our Great Leader said so. Well, he might have, when I didn't hear it. But I haven't heard him refer to per capita figures in any of the press conferences I have listened to. As I wrote in my previous entry: If he wants to diminish an unpleasantly high figure, he refers to the size of the US population, and leaves it at that. If he wants to diminish some positive values from another country, he point out the smallness of the country's population, to make it appear as insignficant. So he does refer to population size, in ways that makes US appear as highly successful and other countries' sucesses insignificant. But he does not refer to per capita figures; they wouldn't serve his election campaign. And I never did say that he refers to per capita figures.
Member 7989122 wrote:
And I never did say that he refers to per capita figures.
Never said you did. However, here IS what you said.
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The leader tells them, so why should they care to check e.g. the worldometers.info survey showing that in tests per capita, the US was earlier today ranking #43 on the list when ordered by tests per capita? When their leader tells them the Truth, why doubt it? What is the use of checking false news resources?
You are accusing people of blindly believing what he says. He IS correct in that the US has done more tests, even your own link says so. So, then you went on to claim that per capita is a different story. You started out down one argument path and then jumped to another non-related one.
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Yeah, it has slightly below 5% of the world's population. Why would USA care about the other 95%?
Member 7989122 wrote:
. Why would USA care about the other 95%?
For starters, because you all have an incorrect view of the US. :laugh:
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ZurdoDev wrote:
Examples?
It is difficult to answer that without risking to be censored for talking politics in the Lounge. I will risk it anyway: Lots of USanians blindly accept The Leader's claim that the nation is the world's leading nation in corona testing. The leader tells them, so why should they care to check e.g. the worldometers.info survey showing that in tests per capita, the US was earlier today ranking #43 on the list when ordered by tests per capita? When their leader tells them the Truth, why doubt it? What is the use of checking false news resources? The Great Leader condemns the Swedish approach of "let the virus spread!" - Sweden has currently 30% more deaths per capita than the US - The Gerat Leader praises the Norwegian approach, my country, with no mention that the US has six times as many deaths per capita as Norway. Which True American looks beyond The Leader and his claims? Maybe a small handful of journalists, but they are easily knocked down for asking "nasty questions" at the press conferences. I wish that this was limited to The Great Leader, but I know it isn't. To take one example: I was living in a US family for a year. Sometimes they bought loaves of bread from a baker using bread bags printed with "Bread for the world" (g** knows why!) and a series of different flags. For the flag labeled "Norway", the red and blue colors were interchanged. I pointed that out to my host family. They hardly cared to shrug: So what? The baker couldn't know that someone knowing the Norwegian flag would see those bread bags! Another example, although second-hand: A colleague of mine told that he had been working with a US colleague at IBM (tradtionally more multi-culturally oriented than many other companies), complaining about poor support for the extra Scandinavian letters, æøå or in the Swedish variants äöå. This US guy, working with internationalization, claimed that they had full support. When my colleague asked about these letters, the issue was completely unknown to the US guy - at first he refused to accept that there could be other letters than a-z! Lots of web stores insist that there must be a "state" level between the nation and town level, because that is the way it is in the US. In the phone number, they insist that there must be an area code between the nation code and the local number, the way it is in the US. They insist on a zip code following the state abbreviation, because that is
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ZurdoDev wrote:
Examples?
It is difficult to answer that without risking to be censored for talking politics in the Lounge. I will risk it anyway: Lots of USanians blindly accept The Leader's claim that the nation is the world's leading nation in corona testing. The leader tells them, so why should they care to check e.g. the worldometers.info survey showing that in tests per capita, the US was earlier today ranking #43 on the list when ordered by tests per capita? When their leader tells them the Truth, why doubt it? What is the use of checking false news resources? The Great Leader condemns the Swedish approach of "let the virus spread!" - Sweden has currently 30% more deaths per capita than the US - The Gerat Leader praises the Norwegian approach, my country, with no mention that the US has six times as many deaths per capita as Norway. Which True American looks beyond The Leader and his claims? Maybe a small handful of journalists, but they are easily knocked down for asking "nasty questions" at the press conferences. I wish that this was limited to The Great Leader, but I know it isn't. To take one example: I was living in a US family for a year. Sometimes they bought loaves of bread from a baker using bread bags printed with "Bread for the world" (g** knows why!) and a series of different flags. For the flag labeled "Norway", the red and blue colors were interchanged. I pointed that out to my host family. They hardly cared to shrug: So what? The baker couldn't know that someone knowing the Norwegian flag would see those bread bags! Another example, although second-hand: A colleague of mine told that he had been working with a US colleague at IBM (tradtionally more multi-culturally oriented than many other companies), complaining about poor support for the extra Scandinavian letters, æøå or in the Swedish variants äöå. This US guy, working with internationalization, claimed that they had full support. When my colleague asked about these letters, the issue was completely unknown to the US guy - at first he refused to accept that there could be other letters than a-z! Lots of web stores insist that there must be a "state" level between the nation and town level, because that is the way it is in the US. In the phone number, they insist that there must be an area code between the nation code and the local number, the way it is in the US. They insist on a zip code following the state abbreviation, because that is
Member 7989122 wrote:
Lots of web stores insist that there must be a "state" level between the nation and town level
Member 7989122 wrote:
Lots of software take for granted that the full stop is a decimal separator and the comma is the thousands separator
This is so true! :laugh: I agree with you though, Americans seem very ignorant of the rest of the world. Not all, of course, but probably a good majority. Anyway, you seem new here, so let me tell you this. Don't bother "discussing" with ZurdoDev, he's a stereotype American (every non-American knows what that means) in all his (Christian) values and morals (of which he always has the high ground) and a troll if ever there was one. In fact, he might well be the personification of all your points :laugh: He already concluded I'm a bad child killing maniac because I'm pro-abortion. Those were pretty much his exact words, it wasn't flattering. I've been ignoring him since then.
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Having been to the USA umpteen times that does not surprise me at all. Most of the population there is hardly aware that there is something like a world outside of the USA. What do you expect when even their own president hardly knows any other country than Mexico, Russia and China. One of them being more or less OK, the other two ones obvious enemies. When Belgium is part of Brussels they obviously should be able to speak murrican, not the other three dumb official languages in this corner of the world.
"...What do you expect when even their own president hardly knows any other country than Mexico, Russia and China. One of them being more or less OK, the other two ones obvious enemies." And which one that is OK is subject to change (and does) at any time and only with notice from Twitter. Lol I have found parts of europe like Belgium, Netherlands, even Denmark sometimes use English better than many Americans. Though I suppose that is more due to the proximity to the UK than any US influence.
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"...What do you expect when even their own president hardly knows any other country than Mexico, Russia and China. One of them being more or less OK, the other two ones obvious enemies." And which one that is OK is subject to change (and does) at any time and only with notice from Twitter. Lol I have found parts of europe like Belgium, Netherlands, even Denmark sometimes use English better than many Americans. Though I suppose that is more due to the proximity to the UK than any US influence.
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Member 7989122 wrote:
. Why would USA care about the other 95%?
For starters, because you all have an incorrect view of the US. :laugh:
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Oh, we fully understand that USA sees the entire world as a market for Coke and Levis and American movies and TV shows; we are not immaterial to USA in that sense. And the US navy, army and air force certainly care for the rest of the world as a playground. We could list several other areas where the US certainly knows how to make use of other parts of the world. The problem is the way it is done. When a country experiences US actions as an exploitation, you may of course say that they "have an incorrect view of the US"; they haven't understood that the Americans are really nice guys who comes to free up the country for the country's benefit. They just want to give the population what the population is craving for, such as coke, hamburers and American TV shows. If only those people could understand what benefit it would be themselves if they only adapt The American Way (*), they would wish the B52s and army soldiers welcome, and bow to their demands. (*) I've got the first Superman movie in my DVD shelf for one single line: When Superman declares that "I am going to figth for peace, justice and The American Way". Way back in my student days I was at the Norwegian premiere, in a packed 2500 seat movie theather. When this line was said, the entire audience broke out in a roar of laughter, followed by a intense and lengthy applause and heavy foot stomping, so noone could hear the following three or four lines.
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"...What do you expect when even their own president hardly knows any other country than Mexico, Russia and China. One of them being more or less OK, the other two ones obvious enemies." And which one that is OK is subject to change (and does) at any time and only with notice from Twitter. Lol I have found parts of europe like Belgium, Netherlands, even Denmark sometimes use English better than many Americans. Though I suppose that is more due to the proximity to the UK than any US influence.
I was working with a Norwegian lady who had for thirty years been working in France for a high prestige US company. The team also included a guy who had a Scottish mother, and had spent most of his childhood vacations in an English speaking environment. Robert once commented that you could easily hear that Ellen is not a native English speaker: Her language is perfect. Flawless. It is rehearsed - she never make those "natural" mistake that a native speaker easily makes - call it out of sloppiness, if you like. Noone speaks their mothers tounge perfectly correct, after having grown up in a society with children who haven't yet learned, dialect speaker that do not respect the official norm, etc. This will affect your own speech. To consistently speak/write a lanugage perfectly, you cannot build on such disturbing elements but must learn the language tabula rasa.
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Oh, we fully understand that USA sees the entire world as a market for Coke and Levis and American movies and TV shows; we are not immaterial to USA in that sense. And the US navy, army and air force certainly care for the rest of the world as a playground. We could list several other areas where the US certainly knows how to make use of other parts of the world. The problem is the way it is done. When a country experiences US actions as an exploitation, you may of course say that they "have an incorrect view of the US"; they haven't understood that the Americans are really nice guys who comes to free up the country for the country's benefit. They just want to give the population what the population is craving for, such as coke, hamburers and American TV shows. If only those people could understand what benefit it would be themselves if they only adapt The American Way (*), they would wish the B52s and army soldiers welcome, and bow to their demands. (*) I've got the first Superman movie in my DVD shelf for one single line: When Superman declares that "I am going to figth for peace, justice and The American Way". Way back in my student days I was at the Norwegian premiere, in a packed 2500 seat movie theather. When this line was said, the entire audience broke out in a roar of laughter, followed by a intense and lengthy applause and heavy foot stomping, so noone could hear the following three or four lines.
Member 7989122 wrote:
And the US navy, army and air force certainly care for the rest of the world as a playground.
Protecting other countries is having a playground? :omg: :omg: I agree, we should get out of the world babysitting business. See how many countries do fine without us. My taxes could go way down.
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Having been to the USA umpteen times that does not surprise me at all. Most of the population there is hardly aware that there is something like a world outside of the USA. What do you expect when even their own president hardly knows any other country than Mexico, Russia and China. One of them being more or less OK, the other two ones obvious enemies. When Belgium is part of Brussels they obviously should be able to speak murrican, not the other three dumb official languages in this corner of the world.
Strange how a guy who developed real estate all over the world would not know more than 3 countries and even told you so.
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fd9750 wrote:
Having been to the USA umpteen times that does not surprise me at all. Most of the population there is hardly aware that there is something like a world outside of the USA.
Examples?
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fd9750 wrote: Having been to the USA umpteen times that does not surprise me at all. Most of the population there is hardly aware that there is something like a world outside of the USA.Examples?
Like getting utterly confused when they are told "no, nobody outside of the USA is celebrating the 4th of July", or Thanksgiving Day. Or that "Cinco De Mayo" is not the Mexican independence day.
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fd9750 wrote: Having been to the USA umpteen times that does not surprise me at all. Most of the population there is hardly aware that there is something like a world outside of the USA.Examples?
Like getting utterly confused when they are told "no, nobody outside of the USA is celebrating the 4th of July", or Thanksgiving Day. Or that "Cinco De Mayo" is not the Mexican independence day.
There are ignorant people everywhere. Unfortunately, the US does not have a monopoly on ignorant people.
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Member 7989122 wrote:
And the US navy, army and air force certainly care for the rest of the world as a playground.
Protecting other countries is having a playground? :omg: :omg: I agree, we should get out of the world babysitting business. See how many countries do fine without us. My taxes could go way down.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
I agree, we should get out of the world babysitting business.
Please do work for this! There are so many countries around the world that would be grateful!
Member 7989122 wrote:
There are so many countries around the world that would be grateful!
such as?
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On the other hand... When I was high school age, I spent a year in a US family. Part of the experience was giving presentations in various groups about how it was to be a seventeen year old back home in Norway. At that time, Norway had a single TV channel, a fact completely out of the mental reach of the kids. So what did we do, evenings and nighs? We went on trips, walking or biking. Maybe fishing. Maybe to the movies, but that was only in the weekends. So what did you do otherwise? We visited each other and sat down discussing. Talking. Talk??? Did you talk, every night??? That is what I remember in particular "Did you talk, every night?" It made no sense to them, even for upper-teenage kids to spend time talking, disussing. The value of whetting your ideas and thoughts against an opposition, coming to terms with your own thougts, seemed to be a more or less completely unknown value to them. They didn't understand why I valued it highly. There were physical elements quite different from what I was used to: I was familiar with washing machines, so they caused no problem, but I was shocked to learn that wintertime, the sofa and chairs was pulled back from the outer walls, away from the frost. If there were insulation in the walls at all, it certainly was only a fraction of what I was used to. We clinged to the huge central oil furnace, staying away from outer walls and windows. (This was in Minnesota; blizzards were certainly not uncommon!) My shock over missing insulation (and several similar things) I did not proclaim loudly, but filed in my archive: That's how they do it here - rather than insulating, they keep a really huge oil furnace and pull all the furniture away from the outer walls at winter time. Crazy, in my eyes, but if that's how they want it... Actually, it is not too far away from the washing machine: Your Norwegian host family takes you on a two week mountain trip, with no washing machine in the tent. Up in the mountains, what to you prefer: Go on in your dirty clothes, or wash them in a bucket at the cabin? That is what student exchange programs are for: Telling how large the cultural differences may be, even between supeficially quite similar societies. I was shocked how primitive building constructions were in the US Midwest; American kids coming to a higly developed country as Norway may be shocked by how primitive we are when we go out in nature. Dont' be shocked by anything, either way! Just observe that "OK, so that's the way it is done here". Or
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I strongly promote that today, the primary responsibility of the student exchange organizaions, like AFS and YfU, should be to bring US students out, rather than bringing foreign students in to the US of A
Exchange should be from every place to every other place. It doesn't matter if US or not. I used myself the "erasmus" program to go to germany. What started with 2 semesters out ended in 15 years and counting... The first year we were a group of erasmus of aprox 110 students from over 40 countries around the world, from the USA, mexico, through Europe, to Middle east until Taiwan... After that I have traveled a lot in many different continents due to work. My most visited country out of Europe was India. I strongly promote to get out of the confort zone and see the world. It is beautiful, you learn a lot of different things, it opens your mind and it makes you to be thankful of what you have when you go back home.
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