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    Open two copies of Excel, with different sheets (I do this on separate monitors). Give Excel 1 the focus, and then position the mouse over Excel 2 - do not click. Twiddle the mouse wheel to scroll the sheet on Excel 2. Notice that the sheet on Excel 1 scrolls instead ... :doh:

    "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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    "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

      Open two copies of Excel, with different sheets (I do this on separate monitors). Give Excel 1 the focus, and then position the mouse over Excel 2 - do not click. Twiddle the mouse wheel to scroll the sheet on Excel 2. Notice that the sheet on Excel 1 scrolls instead ... :doh:

      "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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      Excel is really strange. I noticed just the other day that if I have an Excel spreadsheet open in the background with cells selected with CTRL+C, I can't copy and paste from any other program. The text is simply not copied to the clipboard... :~

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      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

        Open two copies of Excel, with different sheets (I do this on separate monitors). Give Excel 1 the focus, and then position the mouse over Excel 2 - do not click. Twiddle the mouse wheel to scroll the sheet on Excel 2. Notice that the sheet on Excel 1 scrolls instead ... :doh:

        "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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        Think about it! How much effort they put in it? After all - naturally Windows sends scroll events by the mouse position and not by the focused application... Trapping it upon focus request additional programming of very high quality :laugh:

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        • J Johnny J

          Excel is really strange. I noticed just the other day that if I have an Excel spreadsheet open in the background with cells selected with CTRL+C, I can't copy and paste from any other program. The text is simply not copied to the clipboard... :~

          Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
          Anonymous
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          The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
          Winston Churchill, 1944
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          It is indeed strange, but ... it's also a very, very good spreadsheet, and a whole load better than any other. Nothing else even comes close. Unlike Word, which could be beaten by a pencil and paper most of the time. :laugh:

          "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

          "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
          "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

            It is indeed strange, but ... it's also a very, very good spreadsheet, and a whole load better than any other. Nothing else even comes close. Unlike Word, which could be beaten by a pencil and paper most of the time. :laugh:

            "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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            Quote:

            but ... it's also a very, very good spreadsheet, and a whole load better than any other. Nothing else even comes close.

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            Give Excel 1 the focus, and then position the mouse over Excel 2 - do not click.

            Nothing else comes close, even itself, apparently. ;P ;P ;P

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            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

              Open two copies of Excel, with different sheets (I do this on separate monitors). Give Excel 1 the focus, and then position the mouse over Excel 2 - do not click. Twiddle the mouse wheel to scroll the sheet on Excel 2. Notice that the sheet on Excel 1 scrolls instead ... :doh:

              "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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              This is how it's always been. Browsers now do it and I imagine some other programs do it too. Request it as a feature from Microsoft.

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                This is how it's always been. Browsers now do it and I imagine some other programs do it too. Request it as a feature from Microsoft.

                Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                Try it with Chrome: two windows, one with CP on it. The other with Dilbert[^]. Click on CP to give it the focus. Move the mouse over Dilbert, but do not click. Move the mouse wheel. Which one scrolls, CP or Dilbert? Dilbert does, as you would expect. Move the mouse over CP, and again, don't click. Move the mouse wheel. Which one scrolls, CP or Dilbert? CP does, as you would expect. Excel doesn't do that: it scrolls the focussed spreadsheet, not the one under the mouse pointer. Which is damn annoying!

                "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

                "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                  Try it with Chrome: two windows, one with CP on it. The other with Dilbert[^]. Click on CP to give it the focus. Move the mouse over Dilbert, but do not click. Move the mouse wheel. Which one scrolls, CP or Dilbert? Dilbert does, as you would expect. Move the mouse over CP, and again, don't click. Move the mouse wheel. Which one scrolls, CP or Dilbert? CP does, as you would expect. Excel doesn't do that: it scrolls the focussed spreadsheet, not the one under the mouse pointer. Which is damn annoying!

                  "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                  Which is why I said,

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                  Browsers now do it

                  It referring to scrolling without focus.

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                  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                    Open two copies of Excel, with different sheets (I do this on separate monitors). Give Excel 1 the focus, and then position the mouse over Excel 2 - do not click. Twiddle the mouse wheel to scroll the sheet on Excel 2. Notice that the sheet on Excel 1 scrolls instead ... :doh:

                    "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                    What annoys me is SSMS scrolling both the query pane and the result pane unless I select one.

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                      Which is why I said,

                      Quote:

                      Browsers now do it

                      It referring to scrolling without focus.

                      Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                      Yes, but only the window under the mouse pointer, not the focussed window! Excel just does it to be annoying ... and only if the mouse is over any Excel spreadsheet, not Chrome, or Windows Explorer, or ...

                      "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

                      "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                      "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                        Yes, but only the window under the mouse pointer, not the focussed window! Excel just does it to be annoying ... and only if the mouse is over any Excel spreadsheet, not Chrome, or Windows Explorer, or ...

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                        OriginalGriff wrote:

                        but only the window under the mouse pointer

                        Yes, that's what I said the first time. You seem to be misunderstanding what I said.

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                          What annoys me is SSMS scrolling both the query pane and the result pane unless I select one.

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                          really? What version? I've never seen that. Some programs have a setting to do that so maybe you turned on a setting? In 2018, it works like the browsers, scrolls whatever the mouse is over.

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                            really? What version? I've never seen that. Some programs have a setting to do that so maybe you turned on a setting? In 2018, it works like the browsers, scrolls whatever the mouse is over.

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                            I'm using SSMS 2014, and 2012 may have done it as well, but I don't think older versions did. Nothing in the settings looks like it would do that.

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                            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                              Open two copies of Excel, with different sheets (I do this on separate monitors). Give Excel 1 the focus, and then position the mouse over Excel 2 - do not click. Twiddle the mouse wheel to scroll the sheet on Excel 2. Notice that the sheet on Excel 1 scrolls instead ... :doh:

                              "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                              I could've sworn the Mouse applet in Control Panel used to have a checkbox to control exactly that behavior - I forget what it might have been called, and I can't find it right now. Of course, they had to re-do everything in Windows 10, so that doesn't help either. [Edit] On Win10, Settings, Devices, Mouse, there's a switch labeled "Scroll inactive windows when I hover over them", which seems to be exactly that. However, Excel does seem to go out of its way to ignore that.

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                                Open two copies of Excel, with different sheets (I do this on separate monitors). Give Excel 1 the focus, and then position the mouse over Excel 2 - do not click. Twiddle the mouse wheel to scroll the sheet on Excel 2. Notice that the sheet on Excel 1 scrolls instead ... :doh:

                                "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                                Yes, that has bugged the heck out of me numerous times as well. With Word or a browser going, Excel always manages to scroll when I don't want it to! Another major annoyance is when Excel and Word go out of focus, they no longer highlight the currently highlighted or selected cells. That makes it really hard to keep track of where you are when in another program and glance back over to remind yourself what you were doing. Other than that, I don't get the hate for Word. To me, it is an extremely powerful editor when you know the its ins and outs. I formatted an entire book in it, including embedded pictures and the index, and it worked far better than the version of Serif's PagePlus I bought that many people swore by. Serif's indexer wasn't even a tenth as good as Words.

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                                  Yes, that has bugged the heck out of me numerous times as well. With Word or a browser going, Excel always manages to scroll when I don't want it to! Another major annoyance is when Excel and Word go out of focus, they no longer highlight the currently highlighted or selected cells. That makes it really hard to keep track of where you are when in another program and glance back over to remind yourself what you were doing. Other than that, I don't get the hate for Word. To me, it is an extremely powerful editor when you know the its ins and outs. I formatted an entire book in it, including embedded pictures and the index, and it worked far better than the version of Serif's PagePlus I bought that many people swore by. Serif's indexer wasn't even a tenth as good as Words.

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                                  One clarification: Word's ribbon absolutely sucks. It should burn in the lowest levels of hell for all eternity, and those who designed and pushed it over the menu system lack the intelligence to eat breakfast cereal.

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                                  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                    It is indeed strange, but ... it's also a very, very good spreadsheet, and a whole load better than any other. Nothing else even comes close. Unlike Word, which could be beaten by a pencil and paper most of the time. :laugh:

                                    "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                                    I detest word. I will use Notepad++ in word wrap mode before I use Word.

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                                    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                      Open two copies of Excel, with different sheets (I do this on separate monitors). Give Excel 1 the focus, and then position the mouse over Excel 2 - do not click. Twiddle the mouse wheel to scroll the sheet on Excel 2. Notice that the sheet on Excel 1 scrolls instead ... :doh:

                                      "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                                      I found out users were running multiple instances of my app, because they could, even though I had never considered it myself at the time (Win 95 / XP). But no multiple monitors. I find that FireFox gets confused with multiple monitors if one of them isn't turned on at start up. And VLC player freaks out moving between monitors of different resolutions; picking monitors other than the one intended. It's a user model they're still trying to get a handle on.

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                                      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                        Open two copies of Excel, with different sheets (I do this on separate monitors). Give Excel 1 the focus, and then position the mouse over Excel 2 - do not click. Twiddle the mouse wheel to scroll the sheet on Excel 2. Notice that the sheet on Excel 1 scrolls instead ... :doh:

                                        "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                                        Peter Adam
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                                        IIRC mouse handling has been butchered in the Windows 98 timeframe due to licensing. Once upon time we had X Window style mouseover activates the underlying window setting, too.

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                                        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                          Open two copies of Excel, with different sheets (I do this on separate monitors). Give Excel 1 the focus, and then position the mouse over Excel 2 - do not click. Twiddle the mouse wheel to scroll the sheet on Excel 2. Notice that the sheet on Excel 1 scrolls instead ... :doh:

                                          "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                                          milo xml
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                                          They've just jacked up the scroll wheel in general. Something as simple as scrolling through the start menu has become tedious if you don't click in the right place to start scrolling there.

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