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  • Z ZurdoDev

    Which is why I said,

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    Browsers now do it

    It referring to scrolling without focus.

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    OriginalGriff
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    Yes, but only the window under the mouse pointer, not the focussed window! Excel just does it to be annoying ... and only if the mouse is over any Excel spreadsheet, not Chrome, or Windows Explorer, or ...

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    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

      Yes, but only the window under the mouse pointer, not the focussed window! Excel just does it to be annoying ... and only if the mouse is over any Excel spreadsheet, not Chrome, or Windows Explorer, or ...

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      ZurdoDev
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      OriginalGriff wrote:

      but only the window under the mouse pointer

      Yes, that's what I said the first time. You seem to be misunderstanding what I said.

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      • P PIEBALDconsult

        What annoys me is SSMS scrolling both the query pane and the result pane unless I select one.

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        ZurdoDev
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        really? What version? I've never seen that. Some programs have a setting to do that so maybe you turned on a setting? In 2018, it works like the browsers, scrolls whatever the mouse is over.

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        • Z ZurdoDev

          really? What version? I've never seen that. Some programs have a setting to do that so maybe you turned on a setting? In 2018, it works like the browsers, scrolls whatever the mouse is over.

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          PIEBALDconsult
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          I'm using SSMS 2014, and 2012 may have done it as well, but I don't think older versions did. Nothing in the settings looks like it would do that.

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          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

            Open two copies of Excel, with different sheets (I do this on separate monitors). Give Excel 1 the focus, and then position the mouse over Excel 2 - do not click. Twiddle the mouse wheel to scroll the sheet on Excel 2. Notice that the sheet on Excel 1 scrolls instead ... :doh:

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            dandy72
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            I could've sworn the Mouse applet in Control Panel used to have a checkbox to control exactly that behavior - I forget what it might have been called, and I can't find it right now. Of course, they had to re-do everything in Windows 10, so that doesn't help either. [Edit] On Win10, Settings, Devices, Mouse, there's a switch labeled "Scroll inactive windows when I hover over them", which seems to be exactly that. However, Excel does seem to go out of its way to ignore that.

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            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

              Open two copies of Excel, with different sheets (I do this on separate monitors). Give Excel 1 the focus, and then position the mouse over Excel 2 - do not click. Twiddle the mouse wheel to scroll the sheet on Excel 2. Notice that the sheet on Excel 1 scrolls instead ... :doh:

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              David ONeil
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              Yes, that has bugged the heck out of me numerous times as well. With Word or a browser going, Excel always manages to scroll when I don't want it to! Another major annoyance is when Excel and Word go out of focus, they no longer highlight the currently highlighted or selected cells. That makes it really hard to keep track of where you are when in another program and glance back over to remind yourself what you were doing. Other than that, I don't get the hate for Word. To me, it is an extremely powerful editor when you know the its ins and outs. I formatted an entire book in it, including embedded pictures and the index, and it worked far better than the version of Serif's PagePlus I bought that many people swore by. Serif's indexer wasn't even a tenth as good as Words.

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                Yes, that has bugged the heck out of me numerous times as well. With Word or a browser going, Excel always manages to scroll when I don't want it to! Another major annoyance is when Excel and Word go out of focus, they no longer highlight the currently highlighted or selected cells. That makes it really hard to keep track of where you are when in another program and glance back over to remind yourself what you were doing. Other than that, I don't get the hate for Word. To me, it is an extremely powerful editor when you know the its ins and outs. I formatted an entire book in it, including embedded pictures and the index, and it worked far better than the version of Serif's PagePlus I bought that many people swore by. Serif's indexer wasn't even a tenth as good as Words.

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                David ONeil
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                One clarification: Word's ribbon absolutely sucks. It should burn in the lowest levels of hell for all eternity, and those who designed and pushed it over the menu system lack the intelligence to eat breakfast cereal.

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                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                  It is indeed strange, but ... it's also a very, very good spreadsheet, and a whole load better than any other. Nothing else even comes close. Unlike Word, which could be beaten by a pencil and paper most of the time. :laugh:

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                  Rick York
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                  I detest word. I will use Notepad++ in word wrap mode before I use Word.

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                  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                    Open two copies of Excel, with different sheets (I do this on separate monitors). Give Excel 1 the focus, and then position the mouse over Excel 2 - do not click. Twiddle the mouse wheel to scroll the sheet on Excel 2. Notice that the sheet on Excel 1 scrolls instead ... :doh:

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                    Lost User
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                    I found out users were running multiple instances of my app, because they could, even though I had never considered it myself at the time (Win 95 / XP). But no multiple monitors. I find that FireFox gets confused with multiple monitors if one of them isn't turned on at start up. And VLC player freaks out moving between monitors of different resolutions; picking monitors other than the one intended. It's a user model they're still trying to get a handle on.

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                    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                      Open two copies of Excel, with different sheets (I do this on separate monitors). Give Excel 1 the focus, and then position the mouse over Excel 2 - do not click. Twiddle the mouse wheel to scroll the sheet on Excel 2. Notice that the sheet on Excel 1 scrolls instead ... :doh:

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                      Peter Adam
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                      IIRC mouse handling has been butchered in the Windows 98 timeframe due to licensing. Once upon time we had X Window style mouseover activates the underlying window setting, too.

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                      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                        Open two copies of Excel, with different sheets (I do this on separate monitors). Give Excel 1 the focus, and then position the mouse over Excel 2 - do not click. Twiddle the mouse wheel to scroll the sheet on Excel 2. Notice that the sheet on Excel 1 scrolls instead ... :doh:

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                        milo xml
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                        They've just jacked up the scroll wheel in general. Something as simple as scrolling through the start menu has become tedious if you don't click in the right place to start scrolling there.

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                        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                          Open two copies of Excel, with different sheets (I do this on separate monitors). Give Excel 1 the focus, and then position the mouse over Excel 2 - do not click. Twiddle the mouse wheel to scroll the sheet on Excel 2. Notice that the sheet on Excel 1 scrolls instead ... :doh:

                          "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                          Bruce Patin
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                          That's long been Linux' mouse behavior to scroll that over which it is hovered. I like it.

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                          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                            Open two copies of Excel, with different sheets (I do this on separate monitors). Give Excel 1 the focus, and then position the mouse over Excel 2 - do not click. Twiddle the mouse wheel to scroll the sheet on Excel 2. Notice that the sheet on Excel 1 scrolls instead ... :doh:

                            "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                            obermd
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                            This isn't just Excel nor is it silly. Instead, it's good user interface design. A lot of people will move their mouse away from the application they're working in to avoid having it clutter the work surface. This is really useful when working in Word or another text editor and is far better than having the mouse "disappear".

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                            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                              Open two copies of Excel, with different sheets (I do this on separate monitors). Give Excel 1 the focus, and then position the mouse over Excel 2 - do not click. Twiddle the mouse wheel to scroll the sheet on Excel 2. Notice that the sheet on Excel 1 scrolls instead ... :doh:

                              "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                              captonmike
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                              It fills me with furious anger everytime I select a row to highlight it, then click on another application and that row is no longer selected :mad:

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                                I could've sworn the Mouse applet in Control Panel used to have a checkbox to control exactly that behavior - I forget what it might have been called, and I can't find it right now. Of course, they had to re-do everything in Windows 10, so that doesn't help either. [Edit] On Win10, Settings, Devices, Mouse, there's a switch labeled "Scroll inactive windows when I hover over them", which seems to be exactly that. However, Excel does seem to go out of its way to ignore that.

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                                My Windows 10 Pro version 2004 doesn't have a switch labeled "Scroll inactive windows when I hover over them". What am I doing wrong?

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                                  My Windows 10 Pro version 2004 doesn't have a switch labeled "Scroll inactive windows when I hover over them". What am I doing wrong?

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                                  mngerhold
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                                  I thought that: you have to select the mouse in the list on the left

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                                  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                    It is indeed strange, but ... it's also a very, very good spreadsheet, and a whole load better than any other. Nothing else even comes close. Unlike Word, which could be beaten by a pencil and paper most of the time. :laugh:

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                                    Mike Winiberg
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                                    Indeed so - Excel is the real flagship in Office and always has been. I do quite like Quattro Pro though, which is a much extended Lotus 123 and more compatible with that than Excel.

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                                      My Windows 10 Pro version 2004 doesn't have a switch labeled "Scroll inactive windows when I hover over them". What am I doing wrong?

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                                      sasadler
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                                      It shows up on my 2004 system. It's right under the "Choose how many lines to scroll each time" slider.

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                                        My Windows 10 Pro version 2004 doesn't have a switch labeled "Scroll inactive windows when I hover over them". What am I doing wrong?

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                                        dandy72
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                                        I'm on 2004 as well, so even though they keep moving that crap around in each version, yours should still match mine. I've spelled out the steps to get there in my post, and I've just verified that I haven't skipped any.

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                                          It fills me with furious anger everytime I select a row to highlight it, then click on another application and that row is no longer selected :mad:

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                                          dandy72
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                                          I know exactly what you're talking about - I can picture the label in VS's WinForm editor, but I forget its name ("Always Show[...]"?). Why that's turned off by default, I don't know. It's always the first thing I change when putting together a new form that has such controls.

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