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I can summarize the book The Mythical Man Month for you

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  • W W Balboos GHB

    honey the codewitch wrote:

    Throwing additional software developers at a problem in order to produce faster is like throwing additional women at a pregnancy to move it along diapers at a baby to get it potty-trained sooner.

    FIFY (this could make a fun chain)

    Ravings en masse^

    "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

    "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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    honey the codewitch
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    That works too. :laugh:

    Real programmers use butterflies

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    • N Nelek

      Let's change the analogy another time...

      BabyYoda wrote:

      Adding more software developers managers

      :rolleyes: :laugh: :laugh:

      M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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      honey the codewitch
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      That's like throwing gas on a fire. :laugh:

      Real programmers use butterflies

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      • J Jacquers

        It depends on the project size and structure. I'm glad I have a team member working with me on my current project :) I think the issue is just adding new resources to a project as it takes a while for them to get up to speed.

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        honey the codewitch
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        I agree. I'm playing, but there's enough truth to it to be funny. Or maybe it's me.

        Real programmers use butterflies

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        • S Slacker007

          Unfortunately, our shop management decided to do just that for a certain project. Now, there are not enough curse words to describe the circus that has ensued. Talk about merge conflicts. :sigh:

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          honey the codewitch
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          Merge conflicts? You have a working source control system in place? You are so lucky. *sideeyes the entire dotcom boom era*

          Real programmers use butterflies

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          • H honey the codewitch

            I claim comedic license. A statement just has to be true enough of the time to be funny. Not all of the time.

            Real programmers use butterflies

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            BabyYoda
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            honey the codewitch wrote:

            true enough of the time to be funny. Not all of the time.

            Nailed it! :thumbsup: ;)

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            • H honey the codewitch

              Merge conflicts? You have a working source control system in place? You are so lucky. *sideeyes the entire dotcom boom era*

              Real programmers use butterflies

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              Slacker007
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              yes, we use git with visual studio and dev ops. works great. merge conflicts are still a PITA if you have too many devs working on the same code base. It is not a good idea at all.

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              • H honey the codewitch

                Throwing additional software developers at a problem in order to produce faster is like throwing additional women at a pregnancy to move it along.

                Real programmers use butterflies

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                Lost User
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                It's easier if you think in terms of man-weeks ... which are only 4 days long. You're already off by 20% if you assume otherwise.

                It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food

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                  It's easier if you think in terms of man-weeks ... which are only 4 days long. You're already off by 20% if you assume otherwise.

                  It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food

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                  honey the codewitch
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                  Absolutely true.

                  Real programmers use butterflies

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                  • H honey the codewitch

                    I agree. I'm playing, but there's enough truth to it to be funny. Or maybe it's me.

                    Real programmers use butterflies

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                    Nelek
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                    honey the codewitch wrote:

                    Or maybe it's me.

                    Not only you :-D

                    M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                    • H honey the codewitch

                      Throwing additional software developers at a problem in order to produce faster is like throwing additional women at a pregnancy to move it along.

                      Real programmers use butterflies

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                      This is quite spooky, about 4 hours ago I was staring at a bookshelf and spotted ... "The Mythical Man-Month" (Anniversary Edition with Four New Chapters!) - 2004 edition. I thought to myself, "which one of my colleagues shall I offload this onto?" (I'm having a clear out - VB6 manuals anyone?) Obviously no-one on this thread will want it :laugh:

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                        This is quite spooky, about 4 hours ago I was staring at a bookshelf and spotted ... "The Mythical Man-Month" (Anniversary Edition with Four New Chapters!) - 2004 edition. I thought to myself, "which one of my colleagues shall I offload this onto?" (I'm having a clear out - VB6 manuals anyone?) Obviously no-one on this thread will want it :laugh:

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                        honey the codewitch
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                        :laugh: It's actually a good book. I'm just trying to offer the TL;DR version. :-D

                        Real programmers use butterflies

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                        • H honey the codewitch

                          :laugh: It's actually a good book. I'm just trying to offer the TL;DR version. :-D

                          Real programmers use butterflies

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                          CHill60
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                          :laugh: I haven't picked it up since ... 2004! I might read again. From memory though your synopsis is spot on and I might have to steal it! When I was contracting I used to joke with the other contractors that we must hide the book from the permie-burgers in case they cottoned on and stopped throwing contractors at their projects :laugh:

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                            :laugh: I haven't picked it up since ... 2004! I might read again. From memory though your synopsis is spot on and I might have to steal it! When I was contracting I used to joke with the other contractors that we must hide the book from the permie-burgers in case they cottoned on and stopped throwing contractors at their projects :laugh:

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                            honey the codewitch
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                            :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: You know, my father in law is a master electrician and I think he shares a similar sentiment.

                            Real programmers use butterflies

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                            • S Slacker007

                              yes, we use git with visual studio and dev ops. works great. merge conflicts are still a PITA if you have too many devs working on the same code base. It is not a good idea at all.

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                              Jorgen Andersson
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                              Do you have a Merge Master yet? (No, not the branch, the person)

                              Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello Never stop dreaming - Freddie Kruger

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                              • C CHill60

                                This is quite spooky, about 4 hours ago I was staring at a bookshelf and spotted ... "The Mythical Man-Month" (Anniversary Edition with Four New Chapters!) - 2004 edition. I thought to myself, "which one of my colleagues shall I offload this onto?" (I'm having a clear out - VB6 manuals anyone?) Obviously no-one on this thread will want it :laugh:

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                                Nelek
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                                CHill60 wrote:

                                Obviously no-one on this thread will want it

                                If you promise that it won't come with a legacy project... then you might still find someone somewhere... ;P :laugh:

                                M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                                • H honey the codewitch

                                  Throwing additional software developers at a problem in order to produce faster is like throwing additional women at a pregnancy to move it along.

                                  Real programmers use butterflies

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                                  Sander Rossel
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                                  Every month is a mythical man month when you're as awesome as me! :D

                                  Best, Sander Azure DevOps Succinctly (free eBook) Azure Serverless Succinctly (free eBook) Migrating Apps to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript

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                                    Unfortunately, our shop management decided to do just that for a certain project. Now, there are not enough curse words to describe the circus that has ensued. Talk about merge conflicts. :sigh:

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                                    Lots of merge conflicts typically means that architecture is lacking, which is something that a framework can address, despite the whining in the "Rage Against the Machine" thread above. Conflicts can also be addressed by code ownership, but that can easily get in the way when there's little in the way of an architecture or framework.

                                    Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
                                    The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

                                    <p><a href="https://github.com/GregUtas/robust-services-core/blob/master/README.md">Robust Services Core</a>
                                    <em>The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.</em></p>

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                                    • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                      Every month is a mythical man month when you're as awesome as me! :D

                                      Best, Sander Azure DevOps Succinctly (free eBook) Azure Serverless Succinctly (free eBook) Migrating Apps to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript

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                                      honey the codewitch
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                                      You really are great. :)

                                      Real programmers use butterflies

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                                      • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

                                        Lots of merge conflicts typically means that architecture is lacking, which is something that a framework can address, despite the whining in the "Rage Against the Machine" thread above. Conflicts can also be addressed by code ownership, but that can easily get in the way when there's little in the way of an architecture or framework.

                                        Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
                                        The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

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                                        A "plan" is not the same as a (software) framework. If you need just code monkeys, then yes, "frame" them in.

                                        It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food

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                                          A "plan" is not the same as a (software) framework. If you need just code monkeys, then yes, "frame" them in.

                                          It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food

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                                          I agree! What did I say to make you think I figured a "plan" was good enough?

                                          Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
                                          The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

                                          <p><a href="https://github.com/GregUtas/robust-services-core/blob/master/README.md">Robust Services Core</a>
                                          <em>The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.</em></p>

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