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  • N Nelek

    Let's change the analogy another time...

    BabyYoda wrote:

    Adding more software developers managers

    :rolleyes: :laugh: :laugh:

    M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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    honey the codewitch
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    That's like throwing gas on a fire. :laugh:

    Real programmers use butterflies

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    • J Jacquers

      It depends on the project size and structure. I'm glad I have a team member working with me on my current project :) I think the issue is just adding new resources to a project as it takes a while for them to get up to speed.

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      honey the codewitch
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      I agree. I'm playing, but there's enough truth to it to be funny. Or maybe it's me.

      Real programmers use butterflies

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      • S Slacker007

        Unfortunately, our shop management decided to do just that for a certain project. Now, there are not enough curse words to describe the circus that has ensued. Talk about merge conflicts. :sigh:

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        honey the codewitch
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        Merge conflicts? You have a working source control system in place? You are so lucky. *sideeyes the entire dotcom boom era*

        Real programmers use butterflies

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        • H honey the codewitch

          I claim comedic license. A statement just has to be true enough of the time to be funny. Not all of the time.

          Real programmers use butterflies

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          BabyYoda
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          honey the codewitch wrote:

          true enough of the time to be funny. Not all of the time.

          Nailed it! :thumbsup: ;)

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          • H honey the codewitch

            Merge conflicts? You have a working source control system in place? You are so lucky. *sideeyes the entire dotcom boom era*

            Real programmers use butterflies

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            Slacker007
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            yes, we use git with visual studio and dev ops. works great. merge conflicts are still a PITA if you have too many devs working on the same code base. It is not a good idea at all.

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            • H honey the codewitch

              Throwing additional software developers at a problem in order to produce faster is like throwing additional women at a pregnancy to move it along.

              Real programmers use butterflies

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              Lost User
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              It's easier if you think in terms of man-weeks ... which are only 4 days long. You're already off by 20% if you assume otherwise.

              It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food

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              • L Lost User

                It's easier if you think in terms of man-weeks ... which are only 4 days long. You're already off by 20% if you assume otherwise.

                It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food

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                honey the codewitch
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                Absolutely true.

                Real programmers use butterflies

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                • H honey the codewitch

                  I agree. I'm playing, but there's enough truth to it to be funny. Or maybe it's me.

                  Real programmers use butterflies

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                  Nelek
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                  honey the codewitch wrote:

                  Or maybe it's me.

                  Not only you :-D

                  M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                  • H honey the codewitch

                    Throwing additional software developers at a problem in order to produce faster is like throwing additional women at a pregnancy to move it along.

                    Real programmers use butterflies

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                    CHill60
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                    This is quite spooky, about 4 hours ago I was staring at a bookshelf and spotted ... "The Mythical Man-Month" (Anniversary Edition with Four New Chapters!) - 2004 edition. I thought to myself, "which one of my colleagues shall I offload this onto?" (I'm having a clear out - VB6 manuals anyone?) Obviously no-one on this thread will want it :laugh:

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                    • C CHill60

                      This is quite spooky, about 4 hours ago I was staring at a bookshelf and spotted ... "The Mythical Man-Month" (Anniversary Edition with Four New Chapters!) - 2004 edition. I thought to myself, "which one of my colleagues shall I offload this onto?" (I'm having a clear out - VB6 manuals anyone?) Obviously no-one on this thread will want it :laugh:

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                      honey the codewitch
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                      :laugh: It's actually a good book. I'm just trying to offer the TL;DR version. :-D

                      Real programmers use butterflies

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                      • H honey the codewitch

                        :laugh: It's actually a good book. I'm just trying to offer the TL;DR version. :-D

                        Real programmers use butterflies

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                        CHill60
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                        :laugh: I haven't picked it up since ... 2004! I might read again. From memory though your synopsis is spot on and I might have to steal it! When I was contracting I used to joke with the other contractors that we must hide the book from the permie-burgers in case they cottoned on and stopped throwing contractors at their projects :laugh:

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                        • C CHill60

                          :laugh: I haven't picked it up since ... 2004! I might read again. From memory though your synopsis is spot on and I might have to steal it! When I was contracting I used to joke with the other contractors that we must hide the book from the permie-burgers in case they cottoned on and stopped throwing contractors at their projects :laugh:

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                          honey the codewitch
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                          :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: You know, my father in law is a master electrician and I think he shares a similar sentiment.

                          Real programmers use butterflies

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                          • S Slacker007

                            yes, we use git with visual studio and dev ops. works great. merge conflicts are still a PITA if you have too many devs working on the same code base. It is not a good idea at all.

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                            Jorgen Andersson
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                            Do you have a Merge Master yet? (No, not the branch, the person)

                            Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello Never stop dreaming - Freddie Kruger

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                            • C CHill60

                              This is quite spooky, about 4 hours ago I was staring at a bookshelf and spotted ... "The Mythical Man-Month" (Anniversary Edition with Four New Chapters!) - 2004 edition. I thought to myself, "which one of my colleagues shall I offload this onto?" (I'm having a clear out - VB6 manuals anyone?) Obviously no-one on this thread will want it :laugh:

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                              Nelek
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                              CHill60 wrote:

                              Obviously no-one on this thread will want it

                              If you promise that it won't come with a legacy project... then you might still find someone somewhere... ;P :laugh:

                              M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                              • H honey the codewitch

                                Throwing additional software developers at a problem in order to produce faster is like throwing additional women at a pregnancy to move it along.

                                Real programmers use butterflies

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                                Sander Rossel
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                                Every month is a mythical man month when you're as awesome as me! :D

                                Best, Sander Azure DevOps Succinctly (free eBook) Azure Serverless Succinctly (free eBook) Migrating Apps to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript

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                                • S Slacker007

                                  Unfortunately, our shop management decided to do just that for a certain project. Now, there are not enough curse words to describe the circus that has ensued. Talk about merge conflicts. :sigh:

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                                  Lots of merge conflicts typically means that architecture is lacking, which is something that a framework can address, despite the whining in the "Rage Against the Machine" thread above. Conflicts can also be addressed by code ownership, but that can easily get in the way when there's little in the way of an architecture or framework.

                                  Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
                                  The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

                                  <p><a href="https://github.com/GregUtas/robust-services-core/blob/master/README.md">Robust Services Core</a>
                                  <em>The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.</em></p>

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                                  • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                    Every month is a mythical man month when you're as awesome as me! :D

                                    Best, Sander Azure DevOps Succinctly (free eBook) Azure Serverless Succinctly (free eBook) Migrating Apps to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript

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                                    honey the codewitch
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                                    You really are great. :)

                                    Real programmers use butterflies

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                                    • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

                                      Lots of merge conflicts typically means that architecture is lacking, which is something that a framework can address, despite the whining in the "Rage Against the Machine" thread above. Conflicts can also be addressed by code ownership, but that can easily get in the way when there's little in the way of an architecture or framework.

                                      Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
                                      The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

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                                      Lost User
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                                      A "plan" is not the same as a (software) framework. If you need just code monkeys, then yes, "frame" them in.

                                      It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food

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                                      • L Lost User

                                        A "plan" is not the same as a (software) framework. If you need just code monkeys, then yes, "frame" them in.

                                        It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food

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                                        I agree! What did I say to make you think I figured a "plan" was good enough?

                                        Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
                                        The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

                                        <p><a href="https://github.com/GregUtas/robust-services-core/blob/master/README.md">Robust Services Core</a>
                                        <em>The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.</em></p>

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                                        • H honey the codewitch

                                          Throwing additional software developers at a problem in order to produce faster is like throwing additional women at a pregnancy to move it along.

                                          Real programmers use butterflies

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                                          Espen Harlinn
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                                          Brooks's Law:

                                          Quote:

                                          Adding manpower to a late software project makes it later.

                                          How can this be transformed into an hilarious analogy for software development? As English is not my native language, I struggle to come up with something worth the faintest glimmer of a smile - but I suspect that it is something the regulars can easily come up with :-\

                                          Espen Harlinn Chief Architect - Powel AS Projects promoting programming in "natural language" are intrinsically doomed to fail. Edsger W.Dijkstra

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