C++ is love
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honey the codewitch wrote:
The only downside with it is it hides nothing
Actually, it does. Time to move to Assembly.
Okay that's fair, except I can't think of much I can't get to in C++ with the right massaging of the compiler. I can manually build vtbls, i can make call stack frames myself, typically, I can even drop to inline assembly if I really want. So I see it more as giving you more tools than ASM. I don't think it takes anything away.
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Back in the days of yore, when I did my C programming, I discovered alloca(). Used inside of functions, instead of malloc() (for example), it would free allocated memory when you left the function. I didn't look into the workings but I'd presume it used the stack for memory. Update: Quick Search [^] and it's in C++, too - and it does use the stack for allocatons.
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One of the problems with stack allocation is on platforms like the ESP32 and most of the arduinos, they don't give you a lot of stack space. I know usually one grows up and the other grows down but I run out of stack declaring 2kB blocks sometimes so there might be some kind of artificial limit. That's why I usually use the heap for my pools.
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I needed some garbage-collector like advantages without the overhead so I wrote a 123 line file to give me exactly that. I love C++, and right now I don't know why I ever messed with .NET. :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: I'm usually not one to holy roll about technology but this language absolutely rules. The only downside with it is it hides nothing (and it doesn't parse properly**), but hiding nothing is just as big an advantage as a liability. Oh how I missed you, C++. ** C++ should really be parsed with a GLR parser so you don't have to worry about incomplete types being a thing.
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John Lennon said, "All you need is love."
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
And look what happened to him
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No, that's basically how my code works.
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In that case you may be related to Tom Jomes[^] :D
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I'm economically agnostic. No systems devised by humans survive contact with them.
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Sounds like you're in regression. Next year you'll be hot for C and after that you'll start a club with Codewraith doing 1802 assembler for your own Zwölf.
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That would make 3 people in the club - though I usually prefer C to assembler, I like a good delve into the madness from time to time.
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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Then that would be an actual garbage collector, which I'm trying to avoid. :-D Actually what I'm doing is kind of clever. I allow you to allocate a "MemoryPool" on the heap or the stack, and then allocate memory from that pool. It does not allow you to delete. However, all allocated segments are always contiguous and sequential, leading to a number of performance advantages. Instead of deleting single allocations you can freeAll() to reset/recycle the entire pool and invalidate the memory therein. It's actually quite nice for a lot of basic processing scenarios. it's just inefficient for mutable data where sizes can change - which it's not designed for.
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That's what AAA games use (and maybe non-AAA too, I only know what DICE did, as I worked there) - arena allocators. When a level starts, it allocates from its own "arena", and when the level is done, the arena is wiped. Lessens the risk of memory leaks and gives full control and trackability of all allocations.
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I'm economically agnostic. No systems devised by humans survive contact with them.
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When I saw your post, I wondered how badly you were going to get flamed, given the popularity of C# on this site. I never thought this thread would stay so civilized, let alone be fairly positive. :)
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M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Okay that's fair, except I can't think of much I can't get to in C++ with the right massaging of the compiler. I can manually build vtbls, i can make call stack frames myself, typically, I can even drop to inline assembly if I really want. So I see it more as giving you more tools than ASM. I don't think it takes anything away.
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Make your own vtbls and call stack frames? Do tell. When do you find this useful? My naughtiest code changed an object's class at runtime by changing its vptr. The two classes in question had a common base class and owned other objects, so this avoided a messy deep copy and fixing pointers to the morphed object. I wonder how many OO languages could do that.
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Some of the references warn against its use. So far as I can tell, it's based upon usage and gotcha's that are common in C - in other words, C is for grownup who take responsibility for their actions. Simply put - know what you're doing when you do it. Don't free() it - well, duh! That's the point of using it. Beware of stack overflows. Always keep your wits about you with memory usage. Don't use in recursive functions or loops. In a loop, index the allocations into an array of pointers, or, if you want to reuse the same one, allocate it before the loop . . . just like the other memory functions. Seems standard enough - for the grownups in the room
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Some of the references warn against its use. Simply put - know what you're doing when you do it. Don't free() it - well, duh! That's the point of using it. Beware of stack overflows. Always keep your wits about you with memory usage. Don't use in recursive functions or loops. In a loop, index the allocations into an array of pointers, or, if you want to reuse the same one, allocate it before the loop . . . just like the other memory functions. Seems standard enough - for the grownups in the room
Don't use alloca(), it's not part of the C standard.
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GitHub - codewitch-honey-crisis/MemoryPool: Small fixed size sequential memory pool allocators for constrained memory environments[^] :laugh:
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Some of the references warn against its use. Simply put - know what you're doing when you do it. Don't free() it - well, duh! That's the point of using it. Beware of stack overflows. Always keep your wits about you with memory usage. Don't use in recursive functions or loops. In a loop, index the allocations into an array of pointers, or, if you want to reuse the same one, allocate it before the loop . . . just like the other memory functions. Seems standard enough - for the grownups in the room
Don't use alloca(), it's not part of the C standard.
I read that too; mentioned it somewhere in this thread. That would be like "Don't Use that Graphics Library - it's not part of the C Standard".*
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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I read that too; mentioned it somewhere in this thread. That would be like "Don't Use that Graphics Library - it's not part of the C Standard".*
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Only use code that runs as expected on the [DeathStation 9000](https://enacademic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/2748465)!
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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Would you mind if I gave you a small critique on that code?
go ahead. my C++ is rusty so I'm sure there's stuff to be improved.
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Make your own vtbls and call stack frames? Do tell. When do you find this useful? My naughtiest code changed an object's class at runtime by changing its vptr. The two classes in question had a common base class and owned other objects, so this avoided a messy deep copy and fixing pointers to the morphed object. I wonder how many OO languages could do that.
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The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.The call stack frames can be useful for doing things like method logging frameworks The vtbl manipulation is useful if your making a library to do hardcore COM interop
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honey the codewitch wrote:
I'm economically agnostic
that is a copout, and you know it. ;)
It's not. It's the truth. I'm married to a communist, but that doesn't make me one.
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Only use code that runs as expected on the [DeathStation 9000](https://enacademic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/2748465)!
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
(fill in clever retort of your choice) Ravings en masse^
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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go ahead. my C++ is rusty so I'm sure there's stuff to be improved.
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Not much improvement, just a few observations: 1. Identifiers starting with underscores are reserved. If you use them then your program is non-conforming for no good reason. 2. The comparison against capacity in both the static and dynamic classes result in never being able to use the last byte of the pool: The "used()>=capacity" should be "used()>capacity". To test it instantiate a pool of 10 bytes and allocate 6. The (capacity() - used()) is then 4, but a further allocation of 4 fails. A further allocation of 3, on the other hand, succeeds and (capacity() - used()) is then 1. 3. The static pool could benefit from a #warning directive when C is too large. Right now a 8MB C when instantiating it (1024 * 1024 * 8) would almost certainly overflow the stack, and 8MB is not a lot of memory.
