Laptop display size "survey"
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So, my current laptop is 3.5 years old, and although I am confident in it, I received a "computer porn" email from my supplier. By that phrase I mean, "omg, the new version is gorgeous! Choice of processors (high end intel or amd), I'll certainly beef up the storage and RAM on my own, spec'd with an NVidia 3080... drool. Okay so this would be for a mainly development laptop. I normally stick with the 15.6" displays. They fit in my laptop backpack and seem to be in the sweet spot. But this new puppy comes with a 17.3" display at 2560x1440 with an nvidia 3080 GPU. :omg: So, for those of you who develop on laptops - insights and opinions into 15.6 vs. 17.3?
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Chris Maunder wrote:
However, for working, I always connect to a 27" external.
27 inch? I'm afraid to translate that to metric. But almost 70 centimeter? I have a monthy python reference for that, and not going to repeat it. --edit Can't. Can't. Mustn't. No. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrcbCW4y9Dw[^] (not a rick roll, but worse, sorry)
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My "lappie" is a Surface Go 2 - so a 10.5" screen, and an Artech Bluetooth KB that attached via magnets. VS2019 does run on it, as does SSMS and Office - but it's not really a "development machine" more a "quick tester", data monitoring, and surfing machine. Recently found it works fine for Teams as well, even via WiFi to 4G via my phone. But ... it's very, very portable and the battery is OK. Much easier to lug around than a 17" "full lappie"!
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Microsoft are 'replacing' my Surface Pro 3 .. the batteries heated up and expanded and pushed the bottom cover off the keyboard (no screws, just glued) - apparently it's a 'known issue' (that they failed to notify me about before the extended warrantee/fix period expired) It's a good machine in a lot of respects - so right now whether it's a 'safety' issue or not, it runs VS2019, WSL etc, and I need it for some contracting .. not sure if I'd make the same decision again though, similarly, finding a Dell or Lenovo I'd like is hard
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17" is not a laptop, it's a foldable desktop. Better get a docking station and a pair of proper monitors instead. 14" is light enough to always bring around, and large enough to read.
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I've been looking at Dell or Lenovo's 'portable workstations' - I suspect similar to 'foldable desktop' :-)
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Microsoft are 'replacing' my Surface Pro 3 .. the batteries heated up and expanded and pushed the bottom cover off the keyboard (no screws, just glued) - apparently it's a 'known issue' (that they failed to notify me about before the extended warrantee/fix period expired) It's a good machine in a lot of respects - so right now whether it's a 'safety' issue or not, it runs VS2019, WSL etc, and I need it for some contracting .. not sure if I'd make the same decision again though, similarly, finding a Dell or Lenovo I'd like is hard
Mine had a charger circuit failure: the charger light came on, but the unit just refused to take electricity - tried with two different chargers (Herself had a Pro 3 as well) but same result. Unfortunately, when I noticed it was already below 5% and now it's a brick. :sigh:
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I've been looking at Dell or Lenovo's 'portable workstations' - I suspect similar to 'foldable desktop' :-)
Portable workstation sounds better though
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I've been looking at Dell or Lenovo's 'portable workstations' - I suspect similar to 'foldable desktop' :-)
I've owned a Precision in the past. Very well built machines.
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Size doesn't matter. ;) (I can't believe I missed that opportunity, and apparently so did everyone else!)
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charlieg wrote:
omg, the new version is gorgeous!
"OMG that [hammer|power drill|chainsaw|laptop] is gorgeous!" Meh. A laptop is tool, not a fashion accessory. But then, I do realize there's apparently a market for those people, and [companies](https://www.apple.com) catering to them are doing rather well. Or were you drooling over the specs, like any good self-respecting geek should? :-)
high end AMD or Intel processor, starts at 32GB RAM, NVME ssd, 4k 17" 144hz display.... yeah, the specs are nice. What got my attention was the NVidia GPU option and the resolution of the screen... it's a tool, but I was more curious about opinions of the screen size.
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My personal laptop is 15.6, the one my employer provided is 17.3 At the end of the day, I'm comfortable with both, my major complaint is that I actually care less about horizontal width than I do about vertical height. I wish they didn't make them so damn short. I like to see lots of lines of code, lots of lines of documentation, etc. Yeah, there's the "turn it on edge" option, but if the lappy is the only device I'm using, that's rather impracticable. Wish they didn't all have to conform with "watching movies" standards. :(
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charlieg wrote:
So, my current laptop is 3.5 years old
Mine it >8 years, and still "current". It runs VS, HOTS and WarCraft. On Wifi.
charlieg wrote:
So, for those of you who develop on laptops
One doesn't develop on a laptop. Get a desktop. Laptops are expensive for the power they pack in a limited space. Desktops are cheap. Get a cheap second hand-laptop to remote-desktop into your desktop. Not joking. A desktop gives you more bang for yer buck. Doesn't require a monitor either, just remote desktop. Get a decent system, not a glorified tab.
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"One doesn't develop on a laptop." Going to have to disagree here. If your screen is 13 or 14" I might agree, but as Marc mentioned above, clear screens, readable code is everything. Besides, I've been using a laptop with high resolution displays for 15+ years successfully. Please expand on your comment, I'm genuinely interested. That said, times are changing. I've been trying for a couple of years (just been too busy) to migrate to all virtual machines. So the comment about "desktops" which really should not be called that since mine is sitting next to my desk - ha! Next-tops! is a valid point. I will not argue that you get far more bang for the buck. In fact, that is such an excellent point I might just build another machine for the lab. One note about the remote desktop approach - this *all* depends on the quality of your network and the security protocols of a particular customer. I have one customer that will only use the POS TeamViewer. Another customer uses a VPN but their network support is less than stellar. YMMV
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I prefer a lighter laptop for travel, so I have one with a 14" screen. At home and at work, I connect it to multiple screens, so the laptop size is irrelevant. If you travel a lot and work on the plane, you may wish to consider a 14" laptop; anything larger doesn't fit onto the @#$% tables they provide in economy.
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truth. In my case, I rarely travel, thank you Jesus...
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"One doesn't develop on a laptop." Going to have to disagree here. If your screen is 13 or 14" I might agree, but as Marc mentioned above, clear screens, readable code is everything. Besides, I've been using a laptop with high resolution displays for 15+ years successfully. Please expand on your comment, I'm genuinely interested. That said, times are changing. I've been trying for a couple of years (just been too busy) to migrate to all virtual machines. So the comment about "desktops" which really should not be called that since mine is sitting next to my desk - ha! Next-tops! is a valid point. I will not argue that you get far more bang for the buck. In fact, that is such an excellent point I might just build another machine for the lab. One note about the remote desktop approach - this *all* depends on the quality of your network and the security protocols of a particular customer. I have one customer that will only use the POS TeamViewer. Another customer uses a VPN but their network support is less than stellar. YMMV
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
charlieg wrote:
Going to have to disagree here. If your screen is 13 or 14" I might agree, but as Marc mentioned above, clear screens, readable code is everything. Besides, I've been using a laptop with high resolution displays for 15+ years successfully. Please expand on your comment, I'm genuinely interested.
Laptops usually have a lower processing power than their equivalent desktops. And have gotten very used to having at least two screens (17"). Looking for a way to hook up a third, so I needn't remote desktop into the server anymore. So two PC's on my desk, two keyboards. And a lone 15" monitor that would make you laugh probably :D
charlieg wrote:
That said, times are changing.
True. Also haven't been in a computer-store for quite a while, and may need to save some money before I dare enter again - because all those new goodies..
charlieg wrote:
One note about the remote desktop approach - this *all* depends on the quality of your network and the security protocols of a particular customer.
Currently only using it on the home-network, and the machines are hooked to the same router. ..a very old router; maybe time I upgrade that.
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So, my current laptop is 3.5 years old, and although I am confident in it, I received a "computer porn" email from my supplier. By that phrase I mean, "omg, the new version is gorgeous! Choice of processors (high end intel or amd), I'll certainly beef up the storage and RAM on my own, spec'd with an NVidia 3080... drool. Okay so this would be for a mainly development laptop. I normally stick with the 15.6" displays. They fit in my laptop backpack and seem to be in the sweet spot. But this new puppy comes with a 17.3" display at 2560x1440 with an nvidia 3080 GPU. :omg: So, for those of you who develop on laptops - insights and opinions into 15.6 vs. 17.3?
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
I have a 17. Because it's a laptop, and when I do dev on it, I don't want to get a headache trying to focus on what looks like 8pt text.
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So, my current laptop is 3.5 years old, and although I am confident in it, I received a "computer porn" email from my supplier. By that phrase I mean, "omg, the new version is gorgeous! Choice of processors (high end intel or amd), I'll certainly beef up the storage and RAM on my own, spec'd with an NVidia 3080... drool. Okay so this would be for a mainly development laptop. I normally stick with the 15.6" displays. They fit in my laptop backpack and seem to be in the sweet spot. But this new puppy comes with a 17.3" display at 2560x1440 with an nvidia 3080 GPU. :omg: So, for those of you who develop on laptops - insights and opinions into 15.6 vs. 17.3?
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Because mine is minimally portable (pre-covid: daily from work to home, and once or twice a week to conference rooms) I'd probably go with the 17 because I'll be using the laptop screen in addition to my external displays; and bigger is better there. If I had to fly for work occasionally 15 for sure, and I'd be seriously looking at if I could find a 13" model with a 45W CPU and enough cooling not to throttle it under extended load. Unless you work from home and never travel, your work environment is entirely remote VMs and cloud native apps reducing your computer to a dumb terminal, or have lengthy build times (10 vs 30s isn't worth the pain, 5 vs 15m would be) I'd recommend against a desktop as a primary machine because of the overhead in keeping two environments running and problems with not having all files synced between them.
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high end AMD or Intel processor, starts at 32GB RAM, NVME ssd, 4k 17" 144hz display.... yeah, the specs are nice. What got my attention was the NVidia GPU option and the resolution of the screen... it's a tool, but I was more curious about opinions of the screen size.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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That *is* nice. While (IMO) bigger is better, no doubt you'll still have to rescale everything, 'cuz with 4K across 17", nothing's gonna be readable at native resolution.
Interestingly, my display, me and my optometrist are having an argument. I'm nearsighted - not badly so - but... I'm in the process of transitioning to progressives... it's ugly. I've seen people walk up to my laptop and say "how can you see that?". For me, I need crisp text and width of source code. Currently, the laptop I has is 1920x1080 which is okay, but the external screen is 2560x1440. And is amazing at 25" not too big as compared to a 27"... A 17" is larger than my 15.6 but what kills me is when some laptop maker gives you a 17" at 1024x768. I'll pay for the ultra high resolution and scale up the font size.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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I have a 17. Because it's a laptop, and when I do dev on it, I don't want to get a headache trying to focus on what looks like 8pt text.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013native resolution on that screen?
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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So, my current laptop is 3.5 years old, and although I am confident in it, I received a "computer porn" email from my supplier. By that phrase I mean, "omg, the new version is gorgeous! Choice of processors (high end intel or amd), I'll certainly beef up the storage and RAM on my own, spec'd with an NVidia 3080... drool. Okay so this would be for a mainly development laptop. I normally stick with the 15.6" displays. They fit in my laptop backpack and seem to be in the sweet spot. But this new puppy comes with a 17.3" display at 2560x1440 with an nvidia 3080 GPU. :omg: So, for those of you who develop on laptops - insights and opinions into 15.6 vs. 17.3?
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Tweaking the informal survey a bit. For anyone who cares or has excess giggles and grins... this is in regards to a "development" laptop - something with enough screen real-estate to allow you to code. Screen size and resolution? 15.6" and up.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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native resolution on that screen?
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
It's a Dell, and it's 1920x1080, which is more than good enough for even my old eyes
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
