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I still remember when you wrote: "What I really needed was DOS 6.22 + support for dishwashers and better security (padlock on floppy disks, etc.) ..." ;P
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Super Lloyd wrote:
my W10 certainly runs very fine.. but it's powered by a monster modern CPU...
That's my problem with W10. All I really needed was XP + support for modern peripherals + better security (patches, bug fixes, etc.). I did not need all of the cruft that comes with Windows 10, and that requires the "monster modern CPU".
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My personal assertion is W10 does not need a monster CPU and is quite good... But, however, I cant be really sure... However my CPU however is around a few percent everytime I look at it... so... I have a hard time it is a performance hog....
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Win10 is also the first Microsoft OS I think it is a step back (but for the One-That-Shall-Not-Be-Named, but I think nobody talks about it anymore). What I utmost hate is the flat design and the redesign of the settings - To me a true step back. Developers stop caring about resources years ago because they are cheap. So yes, you need the big monster modern PC to run anything. A printer driver 4Gb ? A pdf reader 2Gb ? An ... OS 122 Gb ? As you may know, I am the IT guy of my local school - Teachers are using interactive applications, which are sometimes nothing else than encapsulated HTML5 or pdf viewers; one of them is sucking up 220Gb of disk space (you read that well) and need more than 10Gb RAM to run. To merely DISPLAY things on the screen, and it is slow as hell.
as for the look itself.. I think it's like fashion, its core value is to be different from the few guy just before.. hate or love it.. Both are valid.. and it's not really for me a selling point either way..
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First I have to admit I am a Microsoft apologist and happily jump to each new OS without complain. However.. I went down the memory lane and stumbled on Windows XP. And I though that Windows 10 is so good, why would anyone like XP over W10? However I stumbled on a (2017) pots of someone complaining how W10 was bloating in comparison, running hundred of unwanted and unneeded processes devouring CPU.. and I though I can't really compare.. my W10 certainly runs very fine.. but it's powered by a monster modern CPU... So please come at me with your anecdote why XP is better than W10! I am just curious to see if I can be swayed... EDIT for clarity I believe Windows 10 performance is really good (I have a clean install on my PC not a pre install), but hey, I can't 100% sure... Startup definitely faster for sure.. it's almost instant after bios, unlike like 2 minute for XP back in the days And I think it's relatively easy to launch any program you have installed, I think the current start menu seems leaner than XP with a very quick search box (I think it has changed in that last year or 2)
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For my Money the best version of Windows, the 'embedded' version XPe worked nearly every time even if the board had damage if it could. The desktop version aside from the odd BLue Screen was stable, all was right with the world ;)
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First I have to admit I am a Microsoft apologist and happily jump to each new OS without complain. However.. I went down the memory lane and stumbled on Windows XP. And I though that Windows 10 is so good, why would anyone like XP over W10? However I stumbled on a (2017) pots of someone complaining how W10 was bloating in comparison, running hundred of unwanted and unneeded processes devouring CPU.. and I though I can't really compare.. my W10 certainly runs very fine.. but it's powered by a monster modern CPU... So please come at me with your anecdote why XP is better than W10! I am just curious to see if I can be swayed... EDIT for clarity I believe Windows 10 performance is really good (I have a clean install on my PC not a pre install), but hey, I can't 100% sure... Startup definitely faster for sure.. it's almost instant after bios, unlike like 2 minute for XP back in the days And I think it's relatively easy to launch any program you have installed, I think the current start menu seems leaner than XP with a very quick search box (I think it has changed in that last year or 2)
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I thought 7 was a definite improvement over XP. I don't want to have to learn enough to be qualified for tech support. But XP sometimes required that, whereas 7 rarely did. So I also didn't think 10 was much of an improvement on 7.
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First I have to admit I am a Microsoft apologist and happily jump to each new OS without complain. However.. I went down the memory lane and stumbled on Windows XP. And I though that Windows 10 is so good, why would anyone like XP over W10? However I stumbled on a (2017) pots of someone complaining how W10 was bloating in comparison, running hundred of unwanted and unneeded processes devouring CPU.. and I though I can't really compare.. my W10 certainly runs very fine.. but it's powered by a monster modern CPU... So please come at me with your anecdote why XP is better than W10! I am just curious to see if I can be swayed... EDIT for clarity I believe Windows 10 performance is really good (I have a clean install on my PC not a pre install), but hey, I can't 100% sure... Startup definitely faster for sure.. it's almost instant after bios, unlike like 2 minute for XP back in the days And I think it's relatively easy to launch any program you have installed, I think the current start menu seems leaner than XP with a very quick search box (I think it has changed in that last year or 2)
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XP is super for me. Once a year. I run it in a VM to print my Christmas card labels in Visual Foxpro. Then, I shut it down for a year. 10 is fine, runs faster because it is on much faster hardware. I can still run my Office 2000 on it (except LookOut) I think my favorite was 2K. None are my main OS. All via VM. Whatever works, works :)
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First I have to admit I am a Microsoft apologist and happily jump to each new OS without complain. However.. I went down the memory lane and stumbled on Windows XP. And I though that Windows 10 is so good, why would anyone like XP over W10? However I stumbled on a (2017) pots of someone complaining how W10 was bloating in comparison, running hundred of unwanted and unneeded processes devouring CPU.. and I though I can't really compare.. my W10 certainly runs very fine.. but it's powered by a monster modern CPU... So please come at me with your anecdote why XP is better than W10! I am just curious to see if I can be swayed... EDIT for clarity I believe Windows 10 performance is really good (I have a clean install on my PC not a pre install), but hey, I can't 100% sure... Startup definitely faster for sure.. it's almost instant after bios, unlike like 2 minute for XP back in the days And I think it's relatively easy to launch any program you have installed, I think the current start menu seems leaner than XP with a very quick search box (I think it has changed in that last year or 2)
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Super Lloyd wrote:
First I have to admit I am a Microsoft apologist
Perhaps the best response possible to your own post.
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Win10 is also the first Microsoft OS I think it is a step back (but for the One-That-Shall-Not-Be-Named, but I think nobody talks about it anymore). What I utmost hate is the flat design and the redesign of the settings - To me a true step back. Developers stop caring about resources years ago because they are cheap. So yes, you need the big monster modern PC to run anything. A printer driver 4Gb ? A pdf reader 2Gb ? An ... OS 122 Gb ? As you may know, I am the IT guy of my local school - Teachers are using interactive applications, which are sometimes nothing else than encapsulated HTML5 or pdf viewers; one of them is sucking up 220Gb of disk space (you read that well) and need more than 10Gb RAM to run. To merely DISPLAY things on the screen, and it is slow as hell.
This is sooo true. Look at where Linux distros have gone. It used to be that you could install a linux flavor on anything older and it would work. Now alot of them require almost as much memory and harddrive space as windows. Dev's don't care anymore about space other than honey. because space and CPU power are cheap at the moment comparatively.
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First I have to admit I am a Microsoft apologist and happily jump to each new OS without complain. However.. I went down the memory lane and stumbled on Windows XP. And I though that Windows 10 is so good, why would anyone like XP over W10? However I stumbled on a (2017) pots of someone complaining how W10 was bloating in comparison, running hundred of unwanted and unneeded processes devouring CPU.. and I though I can't really compare.. my W10 certainly runs very fine.. but it's powered by a monster modern CPU... So please come at me with your anecdote why XP is better than W10! I am just curious to see if I can be swayed... EDIT for clarity I believe Windows 10 performance is really good (I have a clean install on my PC not a pre install), but hey, I can't 100% sure... Startup definitely faster for sure.. it's almost instant after bios, unlike like 2 minute for XP back in the days And I think it's relatively easy to launch any program you have installed, I think the current start menu seems leaner than XP with a very quick search box (I think it has changed in that last year or 2)
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First I have to admit I am a Microsoft apologist and happily jump to each new OS without complain. However.. I went down the memory lane and stumbled on Windows XP. And I though that Windows 10 is so good, why would anyone like XP over W10? However I stumbled on a (2017) pots of someone complaining how W10 was bloating in comparison, running hundred of unwanted and unneeded processes devouring CPU.. and I though I can't really compare.. my W10 certainly runs very fine.. but it's powered by a monster modern CPU... So please come at me with your anecdote why XP is better than W10! I am just curious to see if I can be swayed... EDIT for clarity I believe Windows 10 performance is really good (I have a clean install on my PC not a pre install), but hey, I can't 100% sure... Startup definitely faster for sure.. it's almost instant after bios, unlike like 2 minute for XP back in the days And I think it's relatively easy to launch any program you have installed, I think the current start menu seems leaner than XP with a very quick search box (I think it has changed in that last year or 2)
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XP with the classic UI (none of that Fisher Price thing) was pretty good back in its day, but I wouldn't run it today because by now there's gotta be hundreds of known exploits that are never gonna get patched. 7 is also headed down that road. I tolerate 10, but looking at the process list in Task Manager is appalling to say the least, and more and more apps are making things worse - if there's a memo that went out that said it was now okay to have 8 instances of the same EXE running (I'm looking at you, Chrome, Edge and Teams) then I didn't get it. In terms of UI, it's definitely a step back. Hiding scrollbars, window edges so thin I have a hard time grabbing onto them to resize windows, the lack of contrast so you can't even tell where one window ends and the other starts, undiscoverable UI elements...none of these increased usability.
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First I have to admit I am a Microsoft apologist and happily jump to each new OS without complain. However.. I went down the memory lane and stumbled on Windows XP. And I though that Windows 10 is so good, why would anyone like XP over W10? However I stumbled on a (2017) pots of someone complaining how W10 was bloating in comparison, running hundred of unwanted and unneeded processes devouring CPU.. and I though I can't really compare.. my W10 certainly runs very fine.. but it's powered by a monster modern CPU... So please come at me with your anecdote why XP is better than W10! I am just curious to see if I can be swayed... EDIT for clarity I believe Windows 10 performance is really good (I have a clean install on my PC not a pre install), but hey, I can't 100% sure... Startup definitely faster for sure.. it's almost instant after bios, unlike like 2 minute for XP back in the days And I think it's relatively easy to launch any program you have installed, I think the current start menu seems leaner than XP with a very quick search box (I think it has changed in that last year or 2)
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Super Lloyd wrote:
So please come at me with your anecdote why XP is better than W10!
It's not; it's just really quick, because lots of functionality that I'm used to is missing/not being loaded in XP. Because it didn't exist back then. And got more programs open now than in the XP days; alt-tab away. Two different browsers, each with some tabs, Oxygen not included and Warcraft in the background, plus their respective launchers. Some messengers, discord, spotify, and an application that I'm testing to stream my games on youtube. Yes, it takes it's time to boot, where XP was there in under 20 seconds. But then I stopped turning the machine of, and resuming an active session takes less than 20 seconds. Lots of bloat? True. Do I care? Nope, not a bit :)
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First I have to admit I am a Microsoft apologist and happily jump to each new OS without complain. However.. I went down the memory lane and stumbled on Windows XP. And I though that Windows 10 is so good, why would anyone like XP over W10? However I stumbled on a (2017) pots of someone complaining how W10 was bloating in comparison, running hundred of unwanted and unneeded processes devouring CPU.. and I though I can't really compare.. my W10 certainly runs very fine.. but it's powered by a monster modern CPU... So please come at me with your anecdote why XP is better than W10! I am just curious to see if I can be swayed... EDIT for clarity I believe Windows 10 performance is really good (I have a clean install on my PC not a pre install), but hey, I can't 100% sure... Startup definitely faster for sure.. it's almost instant after bios, unlike like 2 minute for XP back in the days And I think it's relatively easy to launch any program you have installed, I think the current start menu seems leaner than XP with a very quick search box (I think it has changed in that last year or 2)
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This (and the update issue, which hasn't affected me in the last 6 months) is the biggest detriment to Win10 I have: [The Weird and The Wonderful: SSD use](https://www.codeproject.com/Feature/WeirdAndWonderful.aspx?msg=5796515#xx5796515xx) - run one of the programs in that thread and you will think things have gone insane!
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DOS 4 was so buggy, IBM refused to install it on their PCs! :laugh: It used a load more of my precious 640K base memory, and crashed daily. And MS ignored all beta tester input as usual. 4.01 was OK .. but still not the multitasking OS MS had been promising us ... :sigh:
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Windows ME is my vote for the worst ever version of Windows - I "upgraded" my then boss's new laptop from ME to Windows 98, and everything just worked better.
My boss at the time (I became his boss a year or two later) bought a dual processor PC to run ME on in the hope of getting faster results from his PCB layout software. ME only supports a single processor ... he wasn't happy. Mind you, his layout software didn't work multithreaded even years later when he had an OS that supported multiple cores. :doh:
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First I have to admit I am a Microsoft apologist and happily jump to each new OS without complain. However.. I went down the memory lane and stumbled on Windows XP. And I though that Windows 10 is so good, why would anyone like XP over W10? However I stumbled on a (2017) pots of someone complaining how W10 was bloating in comparison, running hundred of unwanted and unneeded processes devouring CPU.. and I though I can't really compare.. my W10 certainly runs very fine.. but it's powered by a monster modern CPU... So please come at me with your anecdote why XP is better than W10! I am just curious to see if I can be swayed... EDIT for clarity I believe Windows 10 performance is really good (I have a clean install on my PC not a pre install), but hey, I can't 100% sure... Startup definitely faster for sure.. it's almost instant after bios, unlike like 2 minute for XP back in the days And I think it's relatively easy to launch any program you have installed, I think the current start menu seems leaner than XP with a very quick search box (I think it has changed in that last year or 2)
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Well, in XP we don't need to investigate the screen with 2 or more people to find out what row is the selected row... I like how W10 works (except the spyware off course) but I hate how it looks. We got all that PC power, we got graphical cards that have more power then old PC's, but we have such a limited GUI. Finding a button to push is sometimes a real challenge. In in that regard, XP is superior to W10
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First I have to admit I am a Microsoft apologist and happily jump to each new OS without complain. However.. I went down the memory lane and stumbled on Windows XP. And I though that Windows 10 is so good, why would anyone like XP over W10? However I stumbled on a (2017) pots of someone complaining how W10 was bloating in comparison, running hundred of unwanted and unneeded processes devouring CPU.. and I though I can't really compare.. my W10 certainly runs very fine.. but it's powered by a monster modern CPU... So please come at me with your anecdote why XP is better than W10! I am just curious to see if I can be swayed... EDIT for clarity I believe Windows 10 performance is really good (I have a clean install on my PC not a pre install), but hey, I can't 100% sure... Startup definitely faster for sure.. it's almost instant after bios, unlike like 2 minute for XP back in the days And I think it's relatively easy to launch any program you have installed, I think the current start menu seems leaner than XP with a very quick search box (I think it has changed in that last year or 2)
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I KINDA get that performance standpoint. MS surely took their time with Vista, so the period in time between XP and Vista was way longer, than between XP and 2000 or between Vista and 7. Meaning with XP, that "I'll never need to upgrade"-stance was way more likely to stuck than with any other Windows version. Same goes for the start menu, the "me n0 likey change"-crowd got quite a lot of time to get accustomed to XP, way more time than to any other Windows version. I agree with you, starting programs is way easier. That didn't really change since Vista though. In looks yes, in functionality barely if at all. As for 10's performance, it runs absolutely fine on contemporary work/hobby-grade hardware. Even on my bathtub-reading-grade low-end Atom tablet (although I think some minimalistic Linux would yield better performance)! Where 10 REALLY sucks though, is HDDs. Never ever again will I try to run Windows 10 off an HDD. This OS is soooo not working on a system HDD, it's incredible. If someone doesn't know the difference between an HDD and an SSD, I totally get how they would get the impression Windows 10 runs like an old lady through molasses, despite the CPU & RAM having Big Numbers on the discounter product box (because Big Numbers on the box is often all that matters, which leads to amoral companies stuffing huge HDDs into their boxes, instead of smaller but better SSDs). I bet, that would barely matter if at all unter Windows XP.
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First I have to admit I am a Microsoft apologist and happily jump to each new OS without complain. However.. I went down the memory lane and stumbled on Windows XP. And I though that Windows 10 is so good, why would anyone like XP over W10? However I stumbled on a (2017) pots of someone complaining how W10 was bloating in comparison, running hundred of unwanted and unneeded processes devouring CPU.. and I though I can't really compare.. my W10 certainly runs very fine.. but it's powered by a monster modern CPU... So please come at me with your anecdote why XP is better than W10! I am just curious to see if I can be swayed... EDIT for clarity I believe Windows 10 performance is really good (I have a clean install on my PC not a pre install), but hey, I can't 100% sure... Startup definitely faster for sure.. it's almost instant after bios, unlike like 2 minute for XP back in the days And I think it's relatively easy to launch any program you have installed, I think the current start menu seems leaner than XP with a very quick search box (I think it has changed in that last year or 2)
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Well, in XP we don't need to investigate the screen with 2 or more people to find out what row is the selected row... I like how W10 works (except the spyware off course) but I hate how it looks. We got all that PC power, we got graphical cards that have more power then old PC's, but we have such a limited GUI. Finding a button to push is sometimes a real challenge. In in that regard, XP is superior to W10
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First I have to admit I am a Microsoft apologist and happily jump to each new OS without complain. However.. I went down the memory lane and stumbled on Windows XP. And I though that Windows 10 is so good, why would anyone like XP over W10? However I stumbled on a (2017) pots of someone complaining how W10 was bloating in comparison, running hundred of unwanted and unneeded processes devouring CPU.. and I though I can't really compare.. my W10 certainly runs very fine.. but it's powered by a monster modern CPU... So please come at me with your anecdote why XP is better than W10! I am just curious to see if I can be swayed... EDIT for clarity I believe Windows 10 performance is really good (I have a clean install on my PC not a pre install), but hey, I can't 100% sure... Startup definitely faster for sure.. it's almost instant after bios, unlike like 2 minute for XP back in the days And I think it's relatively easy to launch any program you have installed, I think the current start menu seems leaner than XP with a very quick search box (I think it has changed in that last year or 2)
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I still use XP for devlopping & testing. :laugh: I got 4 desktops on XP Pro : 1 mainly dev system with Visual Studio 6 ( C++), 1 for office work with MS Office 2003, 1 for DBs ( mainly SQL Server 2008R2, Oracle, PostgreSQL, ...), 1 for backups. Everything works fine and I will not upgrade beacause all the stuff develop under XP works fine on all other versions and majority of my clients are still on Seven, some on 8 or 8.1 and a few on W10. I also got 2 laptops with W10 20H2 & Office 2016. They need a lot of maintenance. :sigh: I really prefer working on XP with slow processors & 2 GB RAM ;P I noticed also a bug on explorer on Seven and W10, sometimes explorer does not refresh the content of the list of files while deleting or copying, I have to refresh to be sure. XP is safe on this point :)
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First I have to admit I am a Microsoft apologist and happily jump to each new OS without complain. However.. I went down the memory lane and stumbled on Windows XP. And I though that Windows 10 is so good, why would anyone like XP over W10? However I stumbled on a (2017) pots of someone complaining how W10 was bloating in comparison, running hundred of unwanted and unneeded processes devouring CPU.. and I though I can't really compare.. my W10 certainly runs very fine.. but it's powered by a monster modern CPU... So please come at me with your anecdote why XP is better than W10! I am just curious to see if I can be swayed... EDIT for clarity I believe Windows 10 performance is really good (I have a clean install on my PC not a pre install), but hey, I can't 100% sure... Startup definitely faster for sure.. it's almost instant after bios, unlike like 2 minute for XP back in the days And I think it's relatively easy to launch any program you have installed, I think the current start menu seems leaner than XP with a very quick search box (I think it has changed in that last year or 2)
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XP is so much better because: - more frequent BSODs mean I know my OS cares about me and wants to interact! - new installs on internet-connected machines are so vulnerable, they are typically taken over before the latest updates can install! This truly is the OS for everyone (well, everyone else) - the duplo-inspired theme keeps me child-like all day long!
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First I have to admit I am a Microsoft apologist and happily jump to each new OS without complain. However.. I went down the memory lane and stumbled on Windows XP. And I though that Windows 10 is so good, why would anyone like XP over W10? However I stumbled on a (2017) pots of someone complaining how W10 was bloating in comparison, running hundred of unwanted and unneeded processes devouring CPU.. and I though I can't really compare.. my W10 certainly runs very fine.. but it's powered by a monster modern CPU... So please come at me with your anecdote why XP is better than W10! I am just curious to see if I can be swayed... EDIT for clarity I believe Windows 10 performance is really good (I have a clean install on my PC not a pre install), but hey, I can't 100% sure... Startup definitely faster for sure.. it's almost instant after bios, unlike like 2 minute for XP back in the days And I think it's relatively easy to launch any program you have installed, I think the current start menu seems leaner than XP with a very quick search box (I think it has changed in that last year or 2)
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Super Lloyd wrote:
a very quick search box
Exactly! You have to search for stuff, even when you know exactly where you put it! I use W10 with Classic Shell installed, giving me an XP-like start menu. I organise it the way that is logical for me, and I can access every application, tool and setting I need with a few mouse moves (don't need to click to show submenus, just hover). Whilst most of the time I know exactly where an item is, there are a few tools I use rarely that I forget the name of. E.g. why would my android emulator be called "bluestacks" for heavens' sake? Even if I forget the name, I know it's in the "emulators" folder and is therefore almost instantly accessible. Using the W10 search I'd need to remember the name of the blessed thing, then faff about typing it's name (hopefully without errors). I've noted before on here that I believe Windows went downhill when it switched from
Program ManagertoFile Explorer; that was the point at which the user lost control of their system, and Windows became an un-knowable jungle of stuff you had to hack through to find or do anything. FWIW, best Windows op.system of all time? Windows2000. Installed in under 10 minutes, never once crashed, just gave me everything I needed.
