I'm looking to hire a "junior" programmer.
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First: I hate my boss and am looking to move to another job because he micro-manages me, and knows nothing about programming. Second: He's one of my best friends, and I don't want to leave him in the lurch. Third: As I am older, and with the pandemic raging, and the way people drive in New Orleans, I could die at any time. Having said that, I have gotten him to agree to hire some younger programmer, so that that guy and I could do some"Team Programming" together, and I could teach him my code, and he could eventually take over, when I die or get a new job, whichever comes first. The job would pay around 35K per year. The program is written is VB6, but if I could find someone that is familiar with VB.Net getting him up to speed would be easy. So, two questions. Do you think I have a chance of finding someone at that pay level, since 60K to 65K if the going rate here, for really experienced programmers? Second question, is there a particular web site that I should use? In other words, where do you go when looking for a job? Any help, that doesn't criticize VB6 (I started writing this program in 1980), would be sincerely appreciated.
Repo man
I think you have buckley's chance of getting anyone to take such a position. A dead language, paying peanuts and a PITA boss, good luck with that. The first thing anyone, even a script kiddie, will want to do is rewrite the thing into a live language.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity - RAH I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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First: I hate my boss and am looking to move to another job because he micro-manages me, and knows nothing about programming. Second: He's one of my best friends, and I don't want to leave him in the lurch. Third: As I am older, and with the pandemic raging, and the way people drive in New Orleans, I could die at any time. Having said that, I have gotten him to agree to hire some younger programmer, so that that guy and I could do some"Team Programming" together, and I could teach him my code, and he could eventually take over, when I die or get a new job, whichever comes first. The job would pay around 35K per year. The program is written is VB6, but if I could find someone that is familiar with VB.Net getting him up to speed would be easy. So, two questions. Do you think I have a chance of finding someone at that pay level, since 60K to 65K if the going rate here, for really experienced programmers? Second question, is there a particular web site that I should use? In other words, where do you go when looking for a job? Any help, that doesn't criticize VB6 (I started writing this program in 1980), would be sincerely appreciated.
Repo man
Assuming that requires living in New Orleans, and working on-site full-time; no chance. Nothing wrong with VB6; it made me a lot of $ in its day :) cheers, Bill
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First: I hate my boss and am looking to move to another job because he micro-manages me, and knows nothing about programming. Second: He's one of my best friends, and I don't want to leave him in the lurch. Third: As I am older, and with the pandemic raging, and the way people drive in New Orleans, I could die at any time. Having said that, I have gotten him to agree to hire some younger programmer, so that that guy and I could do some"Team Programming" together, and I could teach him my code, and he could eventually take over, when I die or get a new job, whichever comes first. The job would pay around 35K per year. The program is written is VB6, but if I could find someone that is familiar with VB.Net getting him up to speed would be easy. So, two questions. Do you think I have a chance of finding someone at that pay level, since 60K to 65K if the going rate here, for really experienced programmers? Second question, is there a particular web site that I should use? In other words, where do you go when looking for a job? Any help, that doesn't criticize VB6 (I started writing this program in 1980), would be sincerely appreciated.
Repo man
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Up here, for that money, you get a script-kiddie who doesn't know what a class is, let alone the difference between "public" and "private" accessors.
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Dave Kreskowiak -
First: I hate my boss and am looking to move to another job because he micro-manages me, and knows nothing about programming. Second: He's one of my best friends, and I don't want to leave him in the lurch. Third: As I am older, and with the pandemic raging, and the way people drive in New Orleans, I could die at any time. Having said that, I have gotten him to agree to hire some younger programmer, so that that guy and I could do some"Team Programming" together, and I could teach him my code, and he could eventually take over, when I die or get a new job, whichever comes first. The job would pay around 35K per year. The program is written is VB6, but if I could find someone that is familiar with VB.Net getting him up to speed would be easy. So, two questions. Do you think I have a chance of finding someone at that pay level, since 60K to 65K if the going rate here, for really experienced programmers? Second question, is there a particular web site that I should use? In other words, where do you go when looking for a job? Any help, that doesn't criticize VB6 (I started writing this program in 1980), would be sincerely appreciated.
Repo man
Aside from salary (I don't know if that salary is good in your area, but it seems a bit low) I think you will struggle to find a junior willing to learn a language that was retired 20 years ago and, even if you did, the chances that you would manage to retain a junior working in a language that was retired 20 years ago would be slim. That would then defeat the point of the issue you are trying to address. I would suggest you talk to your boss again, save the budget on hiring a junior developer and use it to rewrite the application in a modern up-to-date language. This would be good for you and good for your boss in the long run. Don't misunderstand me, I loved VB6 back in the day, but that was back in the day, those days are long gone. Although tempting and may appear logical, I wouldn't consider moving straight to VB.Net either, have a look at alternatives first (C#, F#, Delphi), to try and find the best tool for the job. I moved from VB6 to C# (I flirted with VB.Net and did a lot with Delphi inbetween). It's also worth considering which languages give you a large pool of available development talent, these usually migrate to the environments that have the most earning/employment potential (not always the best). I assume it is currently a desktop application, perhaps consider moving it to a more modern web framework. There's no advantage to it being a web app per se, this just increases the talent pool available to you. Your options are endless really. Then once you have that done, finding a junior should be easier, although, potentially more expensive. But then you wouldn't need a junior as your boss could replace you far more easily should you decide to move on.
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First: I hate my boss and am looking to move to another job because he micro-manages me, and knows nothing about programming. Second: He's one of my best friends, and I don't want to leave him in the lurch. Third: As I am older, and with the pandemic raging, and the way people drive in New Orleans, I could die at any time. Having said that, I have gotten him to agree to hire some younger programmer, so that that guy and I could do some"Team Programming" together, and I could teach him my code, and he could eventually take over, when I die or get a new job, whichever comes first. The job would pay around 35K per year. The program is written is VB6, but if I could find someone that is familiar with VB.Net getting him up to speed would be easy. So, two questions. Do you think I have a chance of finding someone at that pay level, since 60K to 65K if the going rate here, for really experienced programmers? Second question, is there a particular web site that I should use? In other words, where do you go when looking for a job? Any help, that doesn't criticize VB6 (I started writing this program in 1980), would be sincerely appreciated.
Repo man
10 years ago Fortran was getting posting for juniors to learn because the upcoming cliff drop of retiring out of those developers. when hiring - you can promote VB6, in 10 years, will be paying higher value for youngish experienced developers because that job pool will be dropping off and lots of cash cow products rely on it, and easier maintained then replaced.
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First: I hate my boss and am looking to move to another job because he micro-manages me, and knows nothing about programming. Second: He's one of my best friends, and I don't want to leave him in the lurch. Third: As I am older, and with the pandemic raging, and the way people drive in New Orleans, I could die at any time. Having said that, I have gotten him to agree to hire some younger programmer, so that that guy and I could do some"Team Programming" together, and I could teach him my code, and he could eventually take over, when I die or get a new job, whichever comes first. The job would pay around 35K per year. The program is written is VB6, but if I could find someone that is familiar with VB.Net getting him up to speed would be easy. So, two questions. Do you think I have a chance of finding someone at that pay level, since 60K to 65K if the going rate here, for really experienced programmers? Second question, is there a particular web site that I should use? In other words, where do you go when looking for a job? Any help, that doesn't criticize VB6 (I started writing this program in 1980), would be sincerely appreciated.
Repo man
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First: I hate my boss and am looking to move to another job because he micro-manages me, and knows nothing about programming. Second: He's one of my best friends, and I don't want to leave him in the lurch. Third: As I am older, and with the pandemic raging, and the way people drive in New Orleans, I could die at any time. Having said that, I have gotten him to agree to hire some younger programmer, so that that guy and I could do some"Team Programming" together, and I could teach him my code, and he could eventually take over, when I die or get a new job, whichever comes first. The job would pay around 35K per year. The program is written is VB6, but if I could find someone that is familiar with VB.Net getting him up to speed would be easy. So, two questions. Do you think I have a chance of finding someone at that pay level, since 60K to 65K if the going rate here, for really experienced programmers? Second question, is there a particular web site that I should use? In other words, where do you go when looking for a job? Any help, that doesn't criticize VB6 (I started writing this program in 1980), would be sincerely appreciated.
Repo man
35K a year for a "junior" position?! :sigh: :confused:
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First: I hate my boss and am looking to move to another job because he micro-manages me, and knows nothing about programming. Second: He's one of my best friends, and I don't want to leave him in the lurch. Third: As I am older, and with the pandemic raging, and the way people drive in New Orleans, I could die at any time. Having said that, I have gotten him to agree to hire some younger programmer, so that that guy and I could do some"Team Programming" together, and I could teach him my code, and he could eventually take over, when I die or get a new job, whichever comes first. The job would pay around 35K per year. The program is written is VB6, but if I could find someone that is familiar with VB.Net getting him up to speed would be easy. So, two questions. Do you think I have a chance of finding someone at that pay level, since 60K to 65K if the going rate here, for really experienced programmers? Second question, is there a particular web site that I should use? In other words, where do you go when looking for a job? Any help, that doesn't criticize VB6 (I started writing this program in 1980), would be sincerely appreciated.
Repo man
Junior programmers aren't learning VB6. They're learning C#, Python, and Javascript.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
Yet if you hire remotely, $35k / year will get you someone with 5-10+ years experience :p Bad pay in the US is often extremely good pay in many other countries.
-= Reelix =-
With 35k / year in Italy you buy the entire family. I'm doing a bit more than that but I am extremely lucky and I played my cards right - I bailed out at the last minute when the hiring company already had sold the T&M project to the customer so they had to Accept* a higher request from me. *As in the rock band Accept, since they had their b***s to the wall.
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Yet if you hire remotely, $35k / year will get you someone with 5-10+ years experience :p Bad pay in the US is often extremely good pay in many other countries.
-= Reelix =-
Thanks for the tip but i'd really like the person on site
Repo Man
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10 years ago Fortran was getting posting for juniors to learn because the upcoming cliff drop of retiring out of those developers. when hiring - you can promote VB6, in 10 years, will be paying higher value for youngish experienced developers because that job pool will be dropping off and lots of cash cow products rely on it, and easier maintained then replaced.
that's a great idea. I'll use it.
Repo Man
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I'm curious. What is the program for? I learned VB as my first programming language. If working remotely is an option, maybe I can help, even rewriting the application in a modern language. :D
Sadly, the boss won't consider working remote -- yet. Rewriting in a modern language, except for the website which I'm doing in VB.Net Web Forms, is out. I will keep you in mind however
Repo Man
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First: I hate my boss and am looking to move to another job because he micro-manages me, and knows nothing about programming. Second: He's one of my best friends, and I don't want to leave him in the lurch. Third: As I am older, and with the pandemic raging, and the way people drive in New Orleans, I could die at any time. Having said that, I have gotten him to agree to hire some younger programmer, so that that guy and I could do some"Team Programming" together, and I could teach him my code, and he could eventually take over, when I die or get a new job, whichever comes first. The job would pay around 35K per year. The program is written is VB6, but if I could find someone that is familiar with VB.Net getting him up to speed would be easy. So, two questions. Do you think I have a chance of finding someone at that pay level, since 60K to 65K if the going rate here, for really experienced programmers? Second question, is there a particular web site that I should use? In other words, where do you go when looking for a job? Any help, that doesn't criticize VB6 (I started writing this program in 1980), would be sincerely appreciated.
Repo man
$35k was lowball for a junior spot in The Middle of Nowhere Pennsylvania 16 years ago. Today and having to pay city cost of living... :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius
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Junior programmers aren't learning VB6. They're learning C#, Python, and Javascript.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013I'm hoping one will be desperate and flexible enough. :laugh:
Repo Man
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$35k was lowball for a junior spot in The Middle of Nowhere Pennsylvania 16 years ago. Today and having to pay city cost of living... :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius
Believe me, I get it.
Repo Man
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First: I hate my boss and am looking to move to another job because he micro-manages me, and knows nothing about programming. Second: He's one of my best friends, and I don't want to leave him in the lurch. Third: As I am older, and with the pandemic raging, and the way people drive in New Orleans, I could die at any time. Having said that, I have gotten him to agree to hire some younger programmer, so that that guy and I could do some"Team Programming" together, and I could teach him my code, and he could eventually take over, when I die or get a new job, whichever comes first. The job would pay around 35K per year. The program is written is VB6, but if I could find someone that is familiar with VB.Net getting him up to speed would be easy. So, two questions. Do you think I have a chance of finding someone at that pay level, since 60K to 65K if the going rate here, for really experienced programmers? Second question, is there a particular web site that I should use? In other words, where do you go when looking for a job? Any help, that doesn't criticize VB6 (I started writing this program in 1980), would be sincerely appreciated.
Repo man
I agree with others, I don't believe your chances of getting a local programmer at that salary are good, and if this person is any good, they will not be staying. However, you might find a retired person who's looking for extra cash, especially if the position is remote. Unfortunately, that leaves the boss in the same situation, having an older person who could die or re-retire at any time. I suggest you have a conversation with your boss, and bring up all the points you mentioned. He has a serious problem, having what sounds like an important or even critical program written in a dead language. He's sitting on a time bomb whose timer is ticking steadily downward. If the conversation goes badly or the boss simply refuses to accept reality, there's nothing more you can do. Good luck and perseverance!
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First: I hate my boss and am looking to move to another job because he micro-manages me, and knows nothing about programming. Second: He's one of my best friends, and I don't want to leave him in the lurch. Third: As I am older, and with the pandemic raging, and the way people drive in New Orleans, I could die at any time. Having said that, I have gotten him to agree to hire some younger programmer, so that that guy and I could do some"Team Programming" together, and I could teach him my code, and he could eventually take over, when I die or get a new job, whichever comes first. The job would pay around 35K per year. The program is written is VB6, but if I could find someone that is familiar with VB.Net getting him up to speed would be easy. So, two questions. Do you think I have a chance of finding someone at that pay level, since 60K to 65K if the going rate here, for really experienced programmers? Second question, is there a particular web site that I should use? In other words, where do you go when looking for a job? Any help, that doesn't criticize VB6 (I started writing this program in 1980), would be sincerely appreciated.
Repo man
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Yet if you hire remotely, $35k / year will get you someone with 5-10+ years experience :p Bad pay in the US is often extremely good pay in many other countries.
-= Reelix =-
There are businesses where hiring off-shore isn't an option.
Asking questions is a skill CodeProject Forum Guidelines Google: C# How to debug code Seriously, go read these articles.
Dave Kreskowiak -
First: I hate my boss and am looking to move to another job because he micro-manages me, and knows nothing about programming. Second: He's one of my best friends, and I don't want to leave him in the lurch. Third: As I am older, and with the pandemic raging, and the way people drive in New Orleans, I could die at any time. Having said that, I have gotten him to agree to hire some younger programmer, so that that guy and I could do some"Team Programming" together, and I could teach him my code, and he could eventually take over, when I die or get a new job, whichever comes first. The job would pay around 35K per year. The program is written is VB6, but if I could find someone that is familiar with VB.Net getting him up to speed would be easy. So, two questions. Do you think I have a chance of finding someone at that pay level, since 60K to 65K if the going rate here, for really experienced programmers? Second question, is there a particular web site that I should use? In other words, where do you go when looking for a job? Any help, that doesn't criticize VB6 (I started writing this program in 1980), would be sincerely appreciated.
Repo man
While I agree with other commenters that you won't get anyone good with any experience for that price tag, you might try hiring a recent high school graduate that went to vocational school (Technical Education) for programming and expect to direct him to self train on VB.net and take some of your time learning to code. Not to put a damper on your ideas, but we just had to pay 120K for someone with an AD who tested extremely well and so far seems very bright.
Dave B