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  • D dbrenth

    My teacher asked me to write a program on the board and solve it. I wrote:

    230 - 220 x 0.5

    and announced that the answer was 5! My teacher claimed I was incorrect, but I was not. Can you please explain it to him? Thanks Hint: My teacher was quite embarrassed when I actually said the answer out loud.

    Brent

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    Richard Andrew x64
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    Explain what to him? You are wrong.

    The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.

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    • D dbrenth

      My teacher asked me to write a program on the board and solve it. I wrote:

      230 - 220 x 0.5

      and announced that the answer was 5! My teacher claimed I was incorrect, but I was not. Can you please explain it to him? Thanks Hint: My teacher was quite embarrassed when I actually said the answer out loud.

      Brent

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      Daniel Pfeffer
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      You are wrong, the teacher is right. The order of precedence in mathematical operations is (mnemonic PEMDAS): Parentheses Exponentiation Multiplication & Division Addition & Subtraction If two operations have the same precedence, they are evaluated from left to right. Your problem may be rewritten as 230 - (220 x 0.5), the answer to which is obviously not 5.

      Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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      • D dbrenth

        My teacher asked me to write a program on the board and solve it. I wrote:

        230 - 220 x 0.5

        and announced that the answer was 5! My teacher claimed I was incorrect, but I was not. Can you please explain it to him? Thanks Hint: My teacher was quite embarrassed when I actually said the answer out loud.

        Brent

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        Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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        Have you write 5! as answer, or it is only for us as an expression of your frustration? :-)

        "The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012

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        • Richard Andrew x64R Richard Andrew x64

          Explain what to him? You are wrong.

          The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.

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          dbrenth
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          That's what he thought, too, until I actually said the answer out loud. Then he was quite embarassed. Obviously, this is a puzzle with a correct solution and not a real life experience.

          Brent

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          • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

            Have you write 5! as answer, or it is only for us as an expression of your frustration? :-)

            "The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012

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            dbrenth
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            See my hint to another responder.

            Brent

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            • D dbrenth

              That's what he thought, too, until I actually said the answer out loud. Then he was quite embarassed. Obviously, this is a puzzle with a correct solution and not a real life experience.

              Brent

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              Greg Utas
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              You must have said "five factorial".

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              • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

                You must have said "five factorial".

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                dbrenth
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                Ding ding ding.

                Brent

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                • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

                  You must have said "five factorial".

                  Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
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                  dandy72
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                  I thought about that...but who provides answers as a factorial?

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                  • D dbrenth

                    Ding ding ding.

                    Brent

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                    Daniel Pfeffer
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                    "5 factorial" is not a solution; it is simply representing the answer (120) as a different equation. If you were set a problem in a mathematics test 300 - 0.5 x 150 and answered that it is 450 / 2, the teacher would be justified in marking it incomplete because it has not been reduced to the simplest terms.

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                    • D dbrenth

                      My teacher asked me to write a program on the board and solve it. I wrote:

                      230 - 220 x 0.5

                      and announced that the answer was 5! My teacher claimed I was incorrect, but I was not. Can you please explain it to him? Thanks Hint: My teacher was quite embarrassed when I actually said the answer out loud.

                      Brent

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                      SeeSharp2
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                      dbrenth wrote:

                      the answer was 5!

                      five factorial. Unless you were yelling at them. :-D

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                      • D dbrenth

                        My teacher asked me to write a program on the board and solve it. I wrote:

                        230 - 220 x 0.5

                        and announced that the answer was 5! My teacher claimed I was incorrect, but I was not. Can you please explain it to him? Thanks Hint: My teacher was quite embarrassed when I actually said the answer out loud.

                        Brent

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                        dbrenth wrote:

                        Can you please explain it to him?

                        Dear Teacher, dbrenth is a cocky little so and so, who needs to be taken down a peg or two. ;P

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                        • D dandy72

                          I thought about that...but who provides answers as a factorial?

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                          I think it was meant as a riddle rather than something that actually happened.

                          Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
                          The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

                          <p><a href="https://github.com/GregUtas/robust-services-core/blob/master/README.md">Robust Services Core</a>
                          <em>The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.</em></p>

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                          • D dbrenth

                            My teacher asked me to write a program on the board and solve it. I wrote:

                            230 - 220 x 0.5

                            and announced that the answer was 5! My teacher claimed I was incorrect, but I was not. Can you please explain it to him? Thanks Hint: My teacher was quite embarrassed when I actually said the answer out loud.

                            Brent

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                            CPallini
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                            You teacher was right, and told you the correct result was actually 76. Could you please tell us why?

                            "In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?" -- Rigoletto

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                            • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

                              I think it was meant as a riddle rather than something that actually happened.

                              Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
                              The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

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                              dandy72
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                              Sometimes I'm just being a little bit too literal. Daniel's answer above suggests we're both on the same page on this one. :-)

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                              • D dbrenth

                                My teacher asked me to write a program on the board and solve it. I wrote:

                                230 - 220 x 0.5

                                and announced that the answer was 5! My teacher claimed I was incorrect, but I was not. Can you please explain it to him? Thanks Hint: My teacher was quite embarrassed when I actually said the answer out loud.

                                Brent

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                                obermd
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                                The answer is 120. The way you get "5" is via a flaw in all four function calculators that don't follow basic math order of operations. By the way, the Windows calculator in Standard mode has this same flaw but it works properly in scientific mode.

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                                  dbrenth wrote:

                                  Can you please explain it to him?

                                  Dear Teacher, dbrenth is a cocky little so and so, who needs to be taken down a peg or two. ;P

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                                  obermd
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                                  And marked down for not completing the solution.

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                                  • C CPallini

                                    You teacher was right, and told you the correct result was actually 76. Could you please tell us why?

                                    "In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?" -- Rigoletto

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                                    Fueled By Decaff
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                                    I thought the answer was 78.

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                                    • F Fueled By Decaff

                                      I thought the answer was 78.

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                                      CPallini
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                                      42. :-D

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                                      • D dandy72

                                        Sometimes I'm just being a little bit too literal. Daniel's answer above suggests we're both on the same page on this one. :-)

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                                        Greg Utas
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                                        Yeah, you're both on the AR page. :-D

                                        Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
                                        The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

                                        <p><a href="https://github.com/GregUtas/robust-services-core/blob/master/README.md">Robust Services Core</a>
                                        <em>The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.</em></p>

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                                        • C CPallini

                                          You teacher was right, and told you the correct result was actually 76. Could you please tell us why?

                                          "In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?" -- Rigoletto

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                                          Daniel Pfeffer
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                                          Octal

                                          Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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