People here using WinForms in .NET Core?
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I have to make a little application, read an Excel spreadsheet, create some PDF files and send some emails. Thought I'd check out the new WinForms in .NET Core. I thought Microsoft released a stable version, but constant crashes, weird behavior and simply unsupported basic functionality determined that was a lie... X| Visual Studio just crashed so hard I had kill all instances in the task manager because the default "the application crashed you may close it" dialog crashed as well, and VS crashed because it hit a breakpoint... :| Third crash to desktop in about two hours time, not counting the times I had to restart to fix some off behavior :thumbsup:
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Nope. For someone (as in moi) that was admittedly anti-web a few years ago, I pretty much write everything as a web app nowadays, even small utilities. Crazy.
Sander Rossel wrote:
Thought I'd check out the new WinForms in .NET Core.
You're brave :)
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DivWindow: Size, drag, minimize, and maximize floating windows with layout persistenceThis is a serious question. If you make small utilities as web apps, doesn't that mean you have to have access to a web server? I do a lot of WinForms tools, and it seems that getting a web service installed on a customer's server is a hurdle I've never tried to jump for small things. I may be missing something important though.
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Nope. For someone (as in moi) that was admittedly anti-web a few years ago, I pretty much write everything as a web app nowadays, even small utilities. Crazy.
Sander Rossel wrote:
Thought I'd check out the new WinForms in .NET Core.
You're brave :)
Latest Articles:
DivWindow: Size, drag, minimize, and maximize floating windows with layout persistenceThis is a serious question. If you make small utilities as web apps, doesn't that mean you have to have access to a web server? I do a lot of WinForms tools, and it seems that getting a web service installed on a customer's server is a hurdle I've never tried to jump for small things. I may be missing something important though.
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I have to make a little application, read an Excel spreadsheet, create some PDF files and send some emails. Thought I'd check out the new WinForms in .NET Core. I thought Microsoft released a stable version, but constant crashes, weird behavior and simply unsupported basic functionality determined that was a lie... X| Visual Studio just crashed so hard I had kill all instances in the task manager because the default "the application crashed you may close it" dialog crashed as well, and VS crashed because it hit a breakpoint... :| Third crash to desktop in about two hours time, not counting the times I had to restart to fix some off behavior :thumbsup:
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Sander Rossel wrote:
I thought Microsoft released a stable version,
The MS teams that are throwing out preview this and preview that ... Web this and WebApp that, Maui this and Xamarin that ... imho, none of the stuff is usable, or reliable. i think there's some kind of "publish or perish" culture-thing at play ... sacrifice of quality for flag-hoisting.
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I have to make a little application, read an Excel spreadsheet, create some PDF files and send some emails. Thought I'd check out the new WinForms in .NET Core. I thought Microsoft released a stable version, but constant crashes, weird behavior and simply unsupported basic functionality determined that was a lie... X| Visual Studio just crashed so hard I had kill all instances in the task manager because the default "the application crashed you may close it" dialog crashed as well, and VS crashed because it hit a breakpoint... :| Third crash to desktop in about two hours time, not counting the times I had to restart to fix some off behavior :thumbsup:
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I have to make a little application, read an Excel spreadsheet, create some PDF files and send some emails. Thought I'd check out the new WinForms in .NET Core. I thought Microsoft released a stable version, but constant crashes, weird behavior and simply unsupported basic functionality determined that was a lie... X| Visual Studio just crashed so hard I had kill all instances in the task manager because the default "the application crashed you may close it" dialog crashed as well, and VS crashed because it hit a breakpoint... :| Third crash to desktop in about two hours time, not counting the times I had to restart to fix some off behavior :thumbsup:
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I spent a whooping 10 minute with WinForm on .NET 5... It all seem to work fine.... That was just out of curiosity, using WPF. As a side note, if by .NET Core you mean .NETCore 3.1 or less, that might be the reason why. It was not yet fully supported by then. Try again with .NET 5!
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I have to make a little application, read an Excel spreadsheet, create some PDF files and send some emails. Thought I'd check out the new WinForms in .NET Core. I thought Microsoft released a stable version, but constant crashes, weird behavior and simply unsupported basic functionality determined that was a lie... X| Visual Studio just crashed so hard I had kill all instances in the task manager because the default "the application crashed you may close it" dialog crashed as well, and VS crashed because it hit a breakpoint... :| Third crash to desktop in about two hours time, not counting the times I had to restart to fix some off behavior :thumbsup:
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I have to make a little application, read an Excel spreadsheet, create some PDF files and send some emails. Thought I'd check out the new WinForms in .NET Core. I thought Microsoft released a stable version, but constant crashes, weird behavior and simply unsupported basic functionality determined that was a lie... X| Visual Studio just crashed so hard I had kill all instances in the task manager because the default "the application crashed you may close it" dialog crashed as well, and VS crashed because it hit a breakpoint... :| Third crash to desktop in about two hours time, not counting the times I had to restart to fix some off behavior :thumbsup:
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I have a small utility for reading log files from Azure blob space, all works as expected. I had no particular problems but it's a single window very simple application.
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I have to make a little application, read an Excel spreadsheet, create some PDF files and send some emails. Thought I'd check out the new WinForms in .NET Core. I thought Microsoft released a stable version, but constant crashes, weird behavior and simply unsupported basic functionality determined that was a lie... X| Visual Studio just crashed so hard I had kill all instances in the task manager because the default "the application crashed you may close it" dialog crashed as well, and VS crashed because it hit a breakpoint... :| Third crash to desktop in about two hours time, not counting the times I had to restart to fix some off behavior :thumbsup:
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I've used .Net to open and read from an excel file and also suffered some crashes until I made it work. The main problem was (AFAICT) that once you create an Excel instance, it becomes a sink for input events, and if any other thread in your application also eats Windows events, this can lead to conflicts. I solved these problems by opening the sheet, reading whatever I needed into a data structure, and immediately closing it again. I. e. not just closing the excel file, but also the excel application instance! Put all that into a try ... catch block and you're golden.
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I've used .Net to open and read from an excel file and also suffered some crashes until I made it work. The main problem was (AFAICT) that once you create an Excel instance, it becomes a sink for input events, and if any other thread in your application also eats Windows events, this can lead to conflicts. I solved these problems by opening the sheet, reading whatever I needed into a data structure, and immediately closing it again. I. e. not just closing the excel file, but also the excel application instance! Put all that into a try ... catch block and you're golden.
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
I'm using Spreadsheetlight for this, so I have none of those issues :D
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I jumped in on .Net 1.1 and in .Net 3.5 I would say the baby was born :-) As it is a small tool I would stay in WinForm, for major developments chose a different stack. Rene
Yeah, mainly doing WinForms as I have no hosting, nor does this party have hosting or money for it. So a good old desktop application it is, and WinForms is still the simplest IMHO :D
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I spent a whooping 10 minute with WinForm on .NET 5... It all seem to work fine.... That was just out of curiosity, using WPF. As a side note, if by .NET Core you mean .NETCore 3.1 or less, that might be the reason why. It was not yet fully supported by then. Try again with .NET 5!
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Super Lloyd wrote:
As a side note, if by .NET Core you mean .NETCore 3.1 or less, that might be the reason why. It was not yet fully supported by then. Try again with .NET 5!
This may the reason! I'm on .NET Core 3.1. I thought WinForms Core was already LTS, which would mean .NET Core 3.1 as .NET 5 isn't LTS :-O Doesn't matter anymore though, switched to .NET Framework as I needed a library that was incompatible with .NET Core :sigh:
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This is a serious question. If you make small utilities as web apps, doesn't that mean you have to have access to a web server? I do a lot of WinForms tools, and it seems that getting a web service installed on a customer's server is a hurdle I've never tried to jump for small things. I may be missing something important though.
You're right, although once you have access to a web server and deploy automatically using CI/CD, adding an extra service is not so difficult anymore. If it's a small utility for your own purposes, I guess you could run it directly from Visual Studio (which is what I do with some stuff).
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I've used .Net to open and read from an excel file and also suffered some crashes until I made it work. The main problem was (AFAICT) that once you create an Excel instance, it becomes a sink for input events, and if any other thread in your application also eats Windows events, this can lead to conflicts. I solved these problems by opening the sheet, reading whatever I needed into a data structure, and immediately closing it again. I. e. not just closing the excel file, but also the excel application instance! Put all that into a try ... catch block and you're golden.
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
In the team I work in, we always pull all the data out of files into memory and close the file out. We also avoid using an external app to pull the data, so in this case, we would use ACE or INTEROP to rip the data directly from the spreadsheet, close the file and then do whatever else it is we would need or want to do.
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I have to make a little application, read an Excel spreadsheet, create some PDF files and send some emails. Thought I'd check out the new WinForms in .NET Core. I thought Microsoft released a stable version, but constant crashes, weird behavior and simply unsupported basic functionality determined that was a lie... X| Visual Studio just crashed so hard I had kill all instances in the task manager because the default "the application crashed you may close it" dialog crashed as well, and VS crashed because it hit a breakpoint... :| Third crash to desktop in about two hours time, not counting the times I had to restart to fix some off behavior :thumbsup:
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I have some programs I made in NET Framework. Some have 180,000+ lines of code, including "in-house" controls, PDF generator and "visor", intensive graphics and lots of forms and controls. I compiled the DLLs having the in-house controls in NET 5.0 without changes. Then I linked them to my programs and compile everything. 2 or 3 errors in calls not supported yet by NET Core, that I must rewrite and after that, everything worked OK. No Visual Studio crashes, no problems, no hidden controls... I do not know what could be wrong with your program.
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I have to make a little application, read an Excel spreadsheet, create some PDF files and send some emails. Thought I'd check out the new WinForms in .NET Core. I thought Microsoft released a stable version, but constant crashes, weird behavior and simply unsupported basic functionality determined that was a lie... X| Visual Studio just crashed so hard I had kill all instances in the task manager because the default "the application crashed you may close it" dialog crashed as well, and VS crashed because it hit a breakpoint... :| Third crash to desktop in about two hours time, not counting the times I had to restart to fix some off behavior :thumbsup:
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Not sure if you know about this, but our shop uses this assembly to read/write excel files. it handles .xls and .xlsx NuGet Gallery NPOI 2.5.4[^]
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I have to make a little application, read an Excel spreadsheet, create some PDF files and send some emails. Thought I'd check out the new WinForms in .NET Core. I thought Microsoft released a stable version, but constant crashes, weird behavior and simply unsupported basic functionality determined that was a lie... X| Visual Studio just crashed so hard I had kill all instances in the task manager because the default "the application crashed you may close it" dialog crashed as well, and VS crashed because it hit a breakpoint... :| Third crash to desktop in about two hours time, not counting the times I had to restart to fix some off behavior :thumbsup:
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I would use .NET Framework instead. Besides the issues you mentioned, I discovered the hard way that .NET Core didn't even allow me to view the Tab Order function. Once I switched to Framework, I was better off. Your results may vary, but I'd say it's worth a shot.
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I would use .NET Framework instead. Besides the issues you mentioned, I discovered the hard way that .NET Core didn't even allow me to view the Tab Order function. Once I switched to Framework, I was better off. Your results may vary, but I'd say it's worth a shot.
I spent a week building out a fairly small Forms application in .NET core (in VB no less!). While I was able to make it work, I decided after the first week to transition back to Framework for the following reasons: 1. Speed of design - I'm not sure why, but the GUI design is dog-slow for CORE - probably 4x faster in Framework. 2. Build was much slower 3. I could never get my.settings variables to work correctly (seemed to be a known issue) 4. An unreasonable number of IDE crashes or freezes 5. LOTS of little things that just didn't work as expected. My suggestion is to stick with Framework for at least another year. Let people with lots of free time and patience deal with Microsoft bugs.
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Super Lloyd wrote:
As a side note, if by .NET Core you mean .NETCore 3.1 or less, that might be the reason why. It was not yet fully supported by then. Try again with .NET 5!
This may the reason! I'm on .NET Core 3.1. I thought WinForms Core was already LTS, which would mean .NET Core 3.1 as .NET 5 isn't LTS :-O Doesn't matter anymore though, switched to .NET Framework as I needed a library that was incompatible with .NET Core :sigh:
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Use the WinAPI and the old common controls. It be fast and predictive.
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Hi Eddie, for you and i, and, other WinForm "veterans:" i wonder if they are "common" because we have long ago learned their quirks, and work-arounds for their limits. Speaking from my experience teaching bright, mature, students C# and WinForm UI skills, i observe there is a steep initial learning curve. Watching students wrestle with the DataGridView reminds me how i've forgotten how overwhelming its ginormous number pf properties were to me. i find little consistency in how the classic controls evolved from their origins in COM into VB%, and then C# WinForms. When WPF came along, i had high hopes for its controls, but, i just could not get into it. On the upside (?) ... the deficit in native controls imho created a commercial opportunity for 3rd. parties to thrive. My favorite WinForms 3rd. party controls remain the ones from Lidor Systems, the IntegralUI Suite, which i purchased with source code: they are visually beautiful and performant ... of course, i can't compare them with the much more expensive suites from Telerik, and DevXpress, etc., that i have never tried
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