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  • H honey the codewitch

    That's why they push a DVD worth of updates to visual studio every 3 weeks. And you can't abort an update, even on a metered connection. My time doesn't matter to them. My money doesn't matter to them. My work doesn't matter to them. Thank you Microsoft, for turning your best product into to the best reason I shouldn't give you any more money.

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    Ron Anders
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    I have a pc over for "repair" after apparently an update botched the windows installation. Doing this for daily bread has given me plenty of opportunity to question, "Do they know?", "Why do they treat us like they do now?" " what did we do?" "Gosh M.S. you used to be cool. /

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      I have a pc over for "repair" after apparently an update botched the windows installation. Doing this for daily bread has given me plenty of opportunity to question, "Do they know?", "Why do they treat us like they do now?" " what did we do?" "Gosh M.S. you used to be cool. /

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      honey the codewitch
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      Right? I mean, I did work for them, so maybe this is punishment? ;P

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      • H honey the codewitch

        Right? I mean, I did work for them, so maybe this is punishment? ;P

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        Ron Anders
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        No good deed goes unpunished.:mad:

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        • H honey the codewitch

          Right? I mean, I did work for them, so maybe this is punishment? ;P

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          Daniel Pfeffer
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          If I were in charge, the punishment for working for Microsoft would be to keep on working for them, seeing all your best ideas ignored in favour of adding the latest "new shiny" to the product. And that's just in this world. In the next world, you would be required to use nothing but buggy Microsoft products with terrible UIs for all eternity. :mad:

          Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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          • H honey the codewitch

            That's why they push a DVD worth of updates to visual studio every 3 weeks. And you can't abort an update, even on a metered connection. My time doesn't matter to them. My money doesn't matter to them. My work doesn't matter to them. Thank you Microsoft, for turning your best product into to the best reason I shouldn't give you any more money.

            Real programmers use butterflies

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            Jacquers
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            Change your settings to not automatically install updates.

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              Change your settings to not automatically install updates.

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              honey the codewitch
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              It wasn't my computer that was the problem. It was a client's machine on the other end. He didn't pay attention, and just allowed for updates. Shut down the session to open a new project (don't know why he closed VS, but what ya gonna do?) anyway, he couldn't restart it anymore without it forcing the stupid update, so it meant we were done for the day. We work over 3000 miles apart. He's not a dev, but because of what we're doing he has to have a debugger on his machine. VS is what he knows how to use, so it's what I recommended he buy a subscription to for the course of this project. Well, mostly it works, but when an unintentional update kills the rest of my business day it makes me mad at the people who shipped the update, pretty much regardless.

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              • H honey the codewitch

                That's why they push a DVD worth of updates to visual studio every 3 weeks. And you can't abort an update, even on a metered connection. My time doesn't matter to them. My money doesn't matter to them. My work doesn't matter to them. Thank you Microsoft, for turning your best product into to the best reason I shouldn't give you any more money.

                Real programmers use butterflies

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                lmoelleb
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                To be fair to Microsoft: Your money definitely matters to them... they want them!

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                  To be fair to Microsoft: Your money definitely matters to them... they want them!

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                  honey the codewitch
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                  They forgot they have to be nice to me if they want my money. If they waste my time, they start making me less likely to buy their very expensive product. Especially in my case, as I've already moved over to VS Code for probably 75% of my development.

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                    To be fair to Microsoft: Your money definitely matters to them... they want them!

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                    Daniel Pfeffer
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                    The last MS development tool that I paid for was Visual Studio 6. As I am a single developer making well under USD 5,000,000 per annum from my work, I just use their Community Editions. I do pay for Windows (whenever I buy a new computer) and for Office (Office 365, for the entire family), so MS still gets something from me. :sigh:

                    Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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                    • H honey the codewitch

                      That's why they push a DVD worth of updates to visual studio every 3 weeks. And you can't abort an update, even on a metered connection. My time doesn't matter to them. My money doesn't matter to them. My work doesn't matter to them. Thank you Microsoft, for turning your best product into to the best reason I shouldn't give you any more money.

                      Real programmers use butterflies

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                      Lost User
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                      honey the codewitch wrote:

                      My money doesn't matter to them

                      Ow, it does. It's actually the only thing that does.

                      Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                      • H honey the codewitch

                        That's why they push a DVD worth of updates to visual studio every 3 weeks. And you can't abort an update, even on a metered connection. My time doesn't matter to them. My money doesn't matter to them. My work doesn't matter to them. Thank you Microsoft, for turning your best product into to the best reason I shouldn't give you any more money.

                        Real programmers use butterflies

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                        Chris Maunder
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                        Yeah there definitely is a fair bit of scattershot going on with VS. I wish there were a "Send me only major point upgrades and serious security updates". The "corrected missing accent in French translation of XAML toothbrush adapter copyright notice" updates that take you out for 15 mins seem like someone forgot we're actually using this tool of theirs all day, every day

                        cheers Chris Maunder

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                          Yeah there definitely is a fair bit of scattershot going on with VS. I wish there were a "Send me only major point upgrades and serious security updates". The "corrected missing accent in French translation of XAML toothbrush adapter copyright notice" updates that take you out for 15 mins seem like someone forgot we're actually using this tool of theirs all day, every day

                          cheers Chris Maunder

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                          Matias Lopez
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                          I've got a W10 Kelyx only for Films/Series/Music (like a SmartTV, 'cause it has some GBs of space), but this "awesome" machine allways tries to download securities/policies/fixes upgrades. I putted down upgrades in Machine - Config, but sometimes it displays the upgrade screen. They're funny, really funny... :mad:

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                          • H honey the codewitch

                            That's why they push a DVD worth of updates to visual studio every 3 weeks. And you can't abort an update, even on a metered connection. My time doesn't matter to them. My money doesn't matter to them. My work doesn't matter to them. Thank you Microsoft, for turning your best product into to the best reason I shouldn't give you any more money.

                            Real programmers use butterflies

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                            Lost User
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                            Sort of like the vaccination debate. "Don't inject me with your fixes!" But, yes, they'll crash your (my) game session by pushing an update to the game even while you're playing.

                            It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food

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                              Sort of like the vaccination debate. "Don't inject me with your fixes!" But, yes, they'll crash your (my) game session by pushing an update to the game even while you're playing.

                              It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food

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                              honey the codewitch
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                              My vaccine didn't kill my work for the rest of the day. It was super convenient and less costly for me than Visual Studio has been lately. :)

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                                Change your settings to not automatically install updates.

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                                I used to do that, and it worked for a while. Eventually the b*****ers managed to force an update through, which screwed up my start menu, my Office toolbars, and effectively bricked my scanner and printer. I ranted about it on here and effectively got flamed for not updating regularly! :laugh:

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                                  That's why they push a DVD worth of updates to visual studio every 3 weeks. And you can't abort an update, even on a metered connection. My time doesn't matter to them. My money doesn't matter to them. My work doesn't matter to them. Thank you Microsoft, for turning your best product into to the best reason I shouldn't give you any more money.

                                  Real programmers use butterflies

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                                  BillWoodruff
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                                  Poor MS, perhaps it is a lonely beast, and these crude gestures are the only ways it knows to tell us it needs love i think of my last divine-female-mistress (cat) and her offerings of dead birds, and mice.

                                  «The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch

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                                  • H honey the codewitch

                                    That's why they push a DVD worth of updates to visual studio every 3 weeks. And you can't abort an update, even on a metered connection. My time doesn't matter to them. My money doesn't matter to them. My work doesn't matter to them. Thank you Microsoft, for turning your best product into to the best reason I shouldn't give you any more money.

                                    Real programmers use butterflies

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                                    For the second time in 2 days VS 2019 has decided to fail on opening a current nagware project. (nagware in this context means that I get asked about progress at least 2x daily by the Sr. partner! :mad:) By fail, I mean it starts loading, then hangs...any clicks are pointless..it just laughs at me! :laugh: I got it to work yesterday by turning off a feature preview option, then bravely and foolishly closed the project and tried to re-open...and fail. :| Thanks MS! I'm trying to get some work done here and instead, I'm resorting in desperation to trying the update again after the first attempt failed. Fingers are crossed. So far trying to get the development environment working has cost me over 90 minutes and counting...:mad: At least I have VS 2017 in the very possible outcome that this update doesn't fix my problem. :sigh:

                                    "Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse "Hope is contagious"

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                                      For the second time in 2 days VS 2019 has decided to fail on opening a current nagware project. (nagware in this context means that I get asked about progress at least 2x daily by the Sr. partner! :mad:) By fail, I mean it starts loading, then hangs...any clicks are pointless..it just laughs at me! :laugh: I got it to work yesterday by turning off a feature preview option, then bravely and foolishly closed the project and tried to re-open...and fail. :| Thanks MS! I'm trying to get some work done here and instead, I'm resorting in desperation to trying the update again after the first attempt failed. Fingers are crossed. So far trying to get the development environment working has cost me over 90 minutes and counting...:mad: At least I have VS 2017 in the very possible outcome that this update doesn't fix my problem. :sigh:

                                      "Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse "Hope is contagious"

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                                      honey the codewitch
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                                      Good luck. I mean it.

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                                      • H honey the codewitch

                                        That's why they push a DVD worth of updates to visual studio every 3 weeks. And you can't abort an update, even on a metered connection. My time doesn't matter to them. My money doesn't matter to them. My work doesn't matter to them. Thank you Microsoft, for turning your best product into to the best reason I shouldn't give you any more money.

                                        Real programmers use butterflies

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                                        Gary R Wheeler
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                                        All of a sudden I feel a whole lot less embarrassed about the fact that our development environment at work is still Visual Studio 2008.

                                        Software Zen: delete this;

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                                          I used to do that, and it worked for a while. Eventually the b*****ers managed to force an update through, which screwed up my start menu, my Office toolbars, and effectively bricked my scanner and printer. I ranted about it on here and effectively got flamed for not updating regularly! :laugh:

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                                          Jacquers
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                                          A Visual Studio update that messed those things up? Seems rather strange.

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