Microsoft thinks my time is worthless.
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The last MS development tool that I paid for was Visual Studio 6. As I am a single developer making well under USD 5,000,000 per annum from my work, I just use their Community Editions. I do pay for Windows (whenever I buy a new computer) and for Office (Office 365, for the entire family), so MS still gets something from me. :sigh:
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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That's why they push a DVD worth of updates to visual studio every 3 weeks. And you can't abort an update, even on a metered connection. My time doesn't matter to them. My money doesn't matter to them. My work doesn't matter to them. Thank you Microsoft, for turning your best product into to the best reason I shouldn't give you any more money.
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honey the codewitch wrote:
My money doesn't matter to them
Ow, it does. It's actually the only thing that does.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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That's why they push a DVD worth of updates to visual studio every 3 weeks. And you can't abort an update, even on a metered connection. My time doesn't matter to them. My money doesn't matter to them. My work doesn't matter to them. Thank you Microsoft, for turning your best product into to the best reason I shouldn't give you any more money.
Real programmers use butterflies
Yeah there definitely is a fair bit of scattershot going on with VS. I wish there were a "Send me only major point upgrades and serious security updates". The "corrected missing accent in French translation of XAML toothbrush adapter copyright notice" updates that take you out for 15 mins seem like someone forgot we're actually using this tool of theirs all day, every day
cheers Chris Maunder
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Yeah there definitely is a fair bit of scattershot going on with VS. I wish there were a "Send me only major point upgrades and serious security updates". The "corrected missing accent in French translation of XAML toothbrush adapter copyright notice" updates that take you out for 15 mins seem like someone forgot we're actually using this tool of theirs all day, every day
cheers Chris Maunder
I've got a W10 Kelyx only for Films/Series/Music (like a SmartTV, 'cause it has some GBs of space), but this "awesome" machine allways tries to download securities/policies/fixes upgrades. I putted down upgrades in Machine - Config, but sometimes it displays the upgrade screen. They're funny, really funny... :mad:
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That's why they push a DVD worth of updates to visual studio every 3 weeks. And you can't abort an update, even on a metered connection. My time doesn't matter to them. My money doesn't matter to them. My work doesn't matter to them. Thank you Microsoft, for turning your best product into to the best reason I shouldn't give you any more money.
Real programmers use butterflies
Sort of like the vaccination debate. "Don't inject me with your fixes!" But, yes, they'll crash your (my) game session by pushing an update to the game even while you're playing.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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Sort of like the vaccination debate. "Don't inject me with your fixes!" But, yes, they'll crash your (my) game session by pushing an update to the game even while you're playing.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
My vaccine didn't kill my work for the rest of the day. It was super convenient and less costly for me than Visual Studio has been lately. :)
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I used to do that, and it worked for a while. Eventually the b*****ers managed to force an update through, which screwed up my start menu, my Office toolbars, and effectively bricked my scanner and printer. I ranted about it on here and effectively got flamed for not updating regularly! :laugh:
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That's why they push a DVD worth of updates to visual studio every 3 weeks. And you can't abort an update, even on a metered connection. My time doesn't matter to them. My money doesn't matter to them. My work doesn't matter to them. Thank you Microsoft, for turning your best product into to the best reason I shouldn't give you any more money.
Real programmers use butterflies
Poor MS, perhaps it is a lonely beast, and these crude gestures are the only ways it knows to tell us it needs love i think of my last divine-female-mistress (cat) and her offerings of dead birds, and mice.
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
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That's why they push a DVD worth of updates to visual studio every 3 weeks. And you can't abort an update, even on a metered connection. My time doesn't matter to them. My money doesn't matter to them. My work doesn't matter to them. Thank you Microsoft, for turning your best product into to the best reason I shouldn't give you any more money.
Real programmers use butterflies
For the second time in 2 days VS 2019 has decided to fail on opening a current nagware project. (nagware in this context means that I get asked about progress at least 2x daily by the Sr. partner! :mad:) By fail, I mean it starts loading, then hangs...any clicks are pointless..it just laughs at me! :laugh: I got it to work yesterday by turning off a feature preview option, then bravely and foolishly closed the project and tried to re-open...and fail. :| Thanks MS! I'm trying to get some work done here and instead, I'm resorting in desperation to trying the update again after the first attempt failed. Fingers are crossed. So far trying to get the development environment working has cost me over 90 minutes and counting...:mad: At least I have VS 2017 in the very possible outcome that this update doesn't fix my problem. :sigh:
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse "Hope is contagious"
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For the second time in 2 days VS 2019 has decided to fail on opening a current nagware project. (nagware in this context means that I get asked about progress at least 2x daily by the Sr. partner! :mad:) By fail, I mean it starts loading, then hangs...any clicks are pointless..it just laughs at me! :laugh: I got it to work yesterday by turning off a feature preview option, then bravely and foolishly closed the project and tried to re-open...and fail. :| Thanks MS! I'm trying to get some work done here and instead, I'm resorting in desperation to trying the update again after the first attempt failed. Fingers are crossed. So far trying to get the development environment working has cost me over 90 minutes and counting...:mad: At least I have VS 2017 in the very possible outcome that this update doesn't fix my problem. :sigh:
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse "Hope is contagious"
Good luck. I mean it.
Real programmers use butterflies
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That's why they push a DVD worth of updates to visual studio every 3 weeks. And you can't abort an update, even on a metered connection. My time doesn't matter to them. My money doesn't matter to them. My work doesn't matter to them. Thank you Microsoft, for turning your best product into to the best reason I shouldn't give you any more money.
Real programmers use butterflies
All of a sudden I feel a whole lot less embarrassed about the fact that our development environment at work is still Visual Studio 2008.
Software Zen:
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I used to do that, and it worked for a while. Eventually the b*****ers managed to force an update through, which screwed up my start menu, my Office toolbars, and effectively bricked my scanner and printer. I ranted about it on here and effectively got flamed for not updating regularly! :laugh:
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That's why they push a DVD worth of updates to visual studio every 3 weeks. And you can't abort an update, even on a metered connection. My time doesn't matter to them. My money doesn't matter to them. My work doesn't matter to them. Thank you Microsoft, for turning your best product into to the best reason I shouldn't give you any more money.
Real programmers use butterflies
That's weird. I'm using VS as well, but I never get mandatory updates, only optional ones (as in "you can click here to update now or just ignore everything as long as you like"), that solves the problem with metered connections. The updates themselves ain't huge either. The ones I'm getting are more CD-sized. Maybe 2 of them, but certainly not a whole DVD worth. When something like this happens with Steam, it's a sign of the installation being FUBAR.
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All of a sudden I feel a whole lot less embarrassed about the fact that our development environment at work is still Visual Studio 2008.
Software Zen:
delete this;It was a good VS. I am now using 2017 and it's good, I am a C / C++ developer so I really don't need many VS updates. C is still the same, C++ may differ in features but C++/17 is already cluttered enough, no need to update either.
GCS d--(d-) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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That's why they push a DVD worth of updates to visual studio every 3 weeks. And you can't abort an update, even on a metered connection. My time doesn't matter to them. My money doesn't matter to them. My work doesn't matter to them. Thank you Microsoft, for turning your best product into to the best reason I shouldn't give you any more money.
Real programmers use butterflies
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honey the codewitch wrote:
My money doesn't matter to them
Ow, it does. It's actually the only thing that does.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
And you can't blame the lowly Microsoft worker either. I survived when the C-levels pushed through HR changes from what used to be a total of 20 levels promotion of workers to 100+ levels of career level and promotion. They told us that we would be promoted twice as much as before, but in fact that never happened. It was like The C-levels who decided that had just time-dilated our existence so that we could never ever reach their level again. Check. we are now protected they thought. SO these C-level employees then ran the ship for many years in the shadows for a while, before becoming wholly beholden to the stock price used for their extremely high pay (100's of thousands of stock shares per year) and that of the countless money funds out there who want it to increase all the time. So Microsoft is not really a company anymore, but a zombified company whose only motivation is extracting more money(brains) from you at any cost in order to increase the stock price. So I agree with you. They just want your money :):mad::mad: :omg: :omg:
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For the second time in 2 days VS 2019 has decided to fail on opening a current nagware project. (nagware in this context means that I get asked about progress at least 2x daily by the Sr. partner! :mad:) By fail, I mean it starts loading, then hangs...any clicks are pointless..it just laughs at me! :laugh: I got it to work yesterday by turning off a feature preview option, then bravely and foolishly closed the project and tried to re-open...and fail. :| Thanks MS! I'm trying to get some work done here and instead, I'm resorting in desperation to trying the update again after the first attempt failed. Fingers are crossed. So far trying to get the development environment working has cost me over 90 minutes and counting...:mad: At least I have VS 2017 in the very possible outcome that this update doesn't fix my problem. :sigh:
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse "Hope is contagious"
I had a project that started to not open well in VS2019 earlier this year. Still don't know the real reason why. Other projects were just fine and it compiled in VS2017. "Luckily" my version of Windows 10 had reached end of support but wouldn't successfully update. Windows update had pushed it off for a very long time because of a sound driver problem. I ended up have to wipe the drive and install Windows 10 21H1 and all my other apps. Now the project works just fine again in VS2019. The laptop in general has been running very well and I may be able to get it to last until Windows 10 goes out of support. 5 years down 4 to go.
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Start by switching to JetBrains Rider. Then, once accustomed, switch to Linux. Can you imagine a life without forced reboots? A life where your computer and your software belong to you again?
I will never run linux as a host OS again. It is unstable trash
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That's weird. I'm using VS as well, but I never get mandatory updates, only optional ones (as in "you can click here to update now or just ignore everything as long as you like"), that solves the problem with metered connections. The updates themselves ain't huge either. The ones I'm getting are more CD-sized. Maybe 2 of them, but certainly not a whole DVD worth. When something like this happens with Steam, it's a sign of the installation being FUBAR.
First of all I didn't say they were mandatory. I said they couldn't be canceled. Second, it wasn't my machine. I had no control over what my client, the user did when he started visual studio, 3000 miles away from me I had to end our session for the day, because once the update triggered we were dead in the water.
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