AMD Ryzen and heat
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Tom's hardware? I didn't think that site was legitimate. I got malware from there once I think, but it was years ago. I don't see a problem per se, but the numbers are so out of whack it makes me wonder if there *is* one, you know? I don't like the idea of hardware anomalies on my system. Smells like trouble to me.
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I like HardwareLuxx too (german forum, but you find english threads as well)... they were really helpful getting my graphics card and I found several guys to be really competent with AMD topics (however there are a lot of wannabes, as anywhere else in the internet)
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It's called HWMonitor by CPUID - the same folks that make CPU-Z HWMONITOR | Softwares | CPUID[^] Edit: Now I'm hearing that tool doesn't report temps correctly on AMD systems so I'm trying this one: HWInfo64[^]
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You might do the stress test, a fast reboot and read the temperature in the bios. Is going to be a bit lower, but it should be accurate
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Tom's hardware? I didn't think that site was legitimate. I got malware from there once I think, but it was years ago. I don't see a problem per se, but the numbers are so out of whack it makes me wonder if there *is* one, you know? I don't like the idea of hardware anomalies on my system. Smells like trouble to me.
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Do you use -m (or any other definition of parallel compiling)? It may help not to use a single core for all the compilations...
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GCC doesn't seem to be thread aware, but your build system might be. For example, gnu make takes -j to specify how many jobs to run simultaneously. The man page says "If the -j option is given without an argument, make will not limit the number of jobs that can run simultaneously.", which sounds like you'd run into context switch issues if you have a large project with many large modules. Visual Studio can do multi processor compiles too[Enabling Multi-Processor (Parallel) Builds in Visual Studio • Helge Klein](https://helgeklein.com/blog/enabling-multi-processor-parallel-builds-in-visual-studio/)
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GCC doesn't seem to be thread aware, but your build system might be. For example, gnu make takes -j to specify how many jobs to run simultaneously. The man page says "If the -j option is given without an argument, make will not limit the number of jobs that can run simultaneously.", which sounds like you'd run into context switch issues if you have a large project with many large modules. Visual Studio can do multi processor compiles too[Enabling Multi-Processor (Parallel) Builds in Visual Studio • Helge Klein](https://helgeklein.com/blog/enabling-multi-processor-parallel-builds-in-visual-studio/)
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IIRC -m is for msbuild... If you need on GCC you should use make's -j to do that...
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I have an AMD Ryzen too! :) (AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 8-Core Processor, according to the device manager) I have no idea how to check temperature or run performance test.. but if you send some link my way I could run the same thing on my machine, as a comparison, if you like? Caveat, I am using Windows 11, if it makes any difference... I also have virtual hardware on (for Windows Sandbox! ;P) Found it! This thing right? [HWMONITOR | Softwares | CPUID](https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/hwmonitor.html) (oh this is just the monitoring / temperature thing)
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That same site has CPU-Z you can use to stress or bench
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You might be interested in this article: How to overclock an AMD Ryzen CPU | PC Gamer[^]
Yeah I'll take a look. I'm not looking at OCing, but I do want to know why my machine is running so cool and underperforming under load.
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How many of you run a modern(ish) Ryzen? They seem to run a little hot. 65C while stress testing, but I read somewhere these chips are good for up to 90 degrees or so. I know nothing about AMD. Am I totally off base here thinking my chip is actually running pretty cool for this series of chips?
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I do not own a Ryzen but have been using AMD for a long time. I bought one Ryzen 3 some two years ago for my brother and the temperatures were close to yours while benchmarking. From the top of my head, if your problem is just with single core performance, it is probably a motherboard configuration issue. AMD motherboards usually have a configuration to unlock single core frequency. In my 11 year old Asus motherboard it is called "core unlocker". What it does, when enabled, is to allow the cores to independently increase their frequency (up to the turbo frequency) without increasing for all cores. It might have happen that, during your benchmark, you probably have that feature disabled (the default) and the CPU thought that it hasn't necessary to increase the frequency of the entire CPU just so that your single task on that single core would run faster. I suggest you enable that feature for the benchmark only because it can cause (not confirmed) system instability and shorten the life span of the CPU to have it enabled all the time, due to points (location of each core) in the CPU die heating much more than the rest of the CPU. Alternatively, run more things while running the benchmark so that more cores are busy and the CPU throttles its frequency for all cores.
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That same site has CPU-Z you can use to stress or bench
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I saw the bench tab... but.. errmm.. I have no clue what to do, haha, oh well, never mind
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How many of you run a modern(ish) Ryzen? They seem to run a little hot. 65C while stress testing, but I read somewhere these chips are good for up to 90 degrees or so. I know nothing about AMD. Am I totally off base here thinking my chip is actually running pretty cool for this series of chips?
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In anticipation of heat issues, I chose bequiet dark rock pro 4 coolers for both my itx boards, and love them. Overkill, they keep mine at close to human body temperatures, even in socal summer heat. Huge and spendy, but quiet -- you can check their site to see if it'll fit your board and case headroom. One of them was nicely discounted, snagged from Amazon warehouse; presumably returned by someone that neglected to check headroom before purchasing. Stay cool my friends. ~jm
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I saw the bench tab... but.. errmm.. I have no clue what to do, haha, oh well, never mind
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There's a bench button you just click and it does it's thing. Then you can compare it with other cpus.
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In anticipation of heat issues, I chose bequiet dark rock pro 4 coolers for both my itx boards, and love them. Overkill, they keep mine at close to human body temperatures, even in socal summer heat. Huge and spendy, but quiet -- you can check their site to see if it'll fit your board and case headroom. One of them was nicely discounted, snagged from Amazon warehouse; presumably returned by someone that neglected to check headroom before purchasing. Stay cool my friends. ~jm
I won't be upgrading the cooling while I'm using this mobo. 65 degrees under load is cool as a cucumber. Too cool really, given that my CPU is underperforming @ userbenchmark.com
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How many of you run a modern(ish) Ryzen? They seem to run a little hot. 65C while stress testing, but I read somewhere these chips are good for up to 90 degrees or so. I know nothing about AMD. Am I totally off base here thinking my chip is actually running pretty cool for this series of chips?
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Since no one else has asked, is your machine running Win 10 or Win 11? Win 11 has performance issues with AMD systems.
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Since no one else has asked, is your machine running Win 10 or Win 11? Win 11 has performance issues with AMD systems.
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
I'm running 10. I won't touch 11 for maybe another year or so.
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There's a bench button you just click and it does it's thing. Then you can compare it with other cpus.
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yeah I have no clue other cpu. I just got a big number and, mm... I guess my CPU is powerful?
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I won't be upgrading the cooling while I'm using this mobo. 65 degrees under load is cool as a cucumber. Too cool really, given that my CPU is underperforming @ userbenchmark.com
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How many of you run a modern(ish) Ryzen? They seem to run a little hot. 65C while stress testing, but I read somewhere these chips are good for up to 90 degrees or so. I know nothing about AMD. Am I totally off base here thinking my chip is actually running pretty cool for this series of chips?
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On both my asus boards, the default speeds/timing were really very slow, until I went to the memory manufacturer's to find proper timings, and changed these settings to match the claimed memory timings, and changed from default *power saving* profiles. Perhaps explore the bios to check/adjust CPU speed, Dram frequency and timing, and FCLK frequency,and power settings; and under bios' Monitor tab, to verify true temps? It does no harm to look around enough to get familiar with default settings to become comfortable in there. I cautiously explore each tab and change only one thing at a time, reading the page explanations under each setting as i go to figure things i am unsure about. cheers ~jm
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It would be, except I have a problem which might be related. My CPU is performing very poorly on userbenchmark compared to other people's Ryzen 7 4750Gs on the CPU benchmark. It's not anything obvious like slow RAM or throttling by Windows power settings. So it almost makes me wonder if my BIOS is undervolting my chip or something?
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It's called HWMonitor by CPUID - the same folks that make CPU-Z HWMONITOR | Softwares | CPUID[^] Edit: Now I'm hearing that tool doesn't report temps correctly on AMD systems so I'm trying this one: HWInfo64[^]
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HWMonitor says the temperature is in the 45C to 75C :suss: with just some browsers and Spotify running, plus a remote desktop connection into my office PC. No games of any sort running. HWInfo has two entries called CPU Termal Trip Limit and CPU HTC Temperature Limit, they are both set to 115C :omg: The processor is AMD Ryzen 5 3550H, I bought it in Aug 2020.
Cheers, Vikram.
