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  • K Kevin Marois

    Quick survey... How many of you uses tabs vs spaces to indent your code?

    If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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    User 13269747
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    I use whatever the project already uses. Some projects use tabs, some use spaces. When I start new projects, I use whatever the specific team[1] already uses - some teams have tabs set up as default in their IDE, some have spaces. In the rare occasion that I start a solo project with no team I tend to go with spaces. [1] I work across multiple teams.

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    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

      Splitter! The Real Distance is obviously 3 spaces per tab.

      "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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      Wizard of Sleeves
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      2½ spaces per tab

      Nothing succeeds like a budgie without teeth. To err is human, to arr is pirate.

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      • K Kevin Marois

        Quick survey... How many of you uses tabs vs spaces to indent your code?

        If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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        Wizard of Sleeves
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        I use the tab key, but my IDE converts them to spaces.

        Nothing succeeds like a budgie without teeth. To err is human, to arr is pirate.

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        • K k5054

          FreedMalloc wrote:

          I generally set up the IDE to sub 4 spaces for a tab.

          Infidel! All right-minded people know that a tab stop is every 8 spaces! Anything else is heresy! Your immortal soul will be condemned to an eternity in an infinite loop unless you repent!

          Keep Calm and Carry On

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          Lost User
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          I never understood that, 8 spaces per tab, on a teletype of all things - sheer lunacy.

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          • K Kevin Marois

            Quick survey... How many of you uses tabs vs spaces to indent your code?

            If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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            den2k88
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            I prefer tabs because when I have to move code from an indentation level to another it requires less deletes. Also allows for fancy editing like a different character width for indentation than for code (it helps for people who have to set the font to 12pt with 125% or 150% magnification active, like yours truly). Also I have worked on a codebase modified by several people in several years with different tools and different indentations. Code was something like

            if (condition){
            code;
            if (cnd2)
            {
            code;
            }
            code;
            while(something)
            {
            code;
            }
            }

            Tabs would have fixed the lunacy.

            GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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            • W Wizard of Sleeves

              2½ spaces per tab

              Nothing succeeds like a budgie without teeth. To err is human, to arr is pirate.

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              OriginalGriff
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              :sigh: There's always someone who just wants to watch the world burn, isn't there? OK. You can have your half-a-space provided it's the top half.

              "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

              "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
              "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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              • K Kevin Marois

                Quick survey... How many of you uses tabs vs spaces to indent your code?

                If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                acego
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                I normally use Tab key (4 spaces) but it also depends on the IDE

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                • K Kevin Marois

                  Quick survey... How many of you uses tabs vs spaces to indent your code?

                  If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                  Cpichols
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                  I use a 2-space tab.

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                  • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

                    I would've never thought there could be a good argument for tabs, but this sounds like a good way to satisfy everyone. My only question would be what the code looks like outside the IDE, in GitHub or even Notepad, for example.

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                    Cpichols
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                    I only care about what it looks like to the one working on the code. When dealing with changes to legacy code, I follow the patter established, which usually means copy/paste of the disparate numbers of spaces depending on the mood of the coder when it was created in notepad :wtf: I really hate the ripple effect that gives - I mean choose an indentation style and stick with it. I'm happiest when working on fresh apps where I can use auto indenting on vscode. So much pleasanter and I can properly collapse the bits I don't need to see right now. Why would I screw that up with using spaces? Just no.

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                    • C Cpichols

                      I only care about what it looks like to the one working on the code. When dealing with changes to legacy code, I follow the patter established, which usually means copy/paste of the disparate numbers of spaces depending on the mood of the coder when it was created in notepad :wtf: I really hate the ripple effect that gives - I mean choose an indentation style and stick with it. I'm happiest when working on fresh apps where I can use auto indenting on vscode. So much pleasanter and I can properly collapse the bits I don't need to see right now. Why would I screw that up with using spaces? Just no.

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                      What does using spaces have to do with collapsing code that you don't need to see right now?

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                      • K Kevin Marois

                        Quick survey... How many of you uses tabs vs spaces to indent your code?

                        If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                        JohnDG52
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                        I prefer tabs - but the VS editor seems to have it's own idea about how they should be rendered, so I often end up using a mixture.

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                        • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

                          What does using spaces have to do with collapsing code that you don't need to see right now?

                          Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
                          The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

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                          Cpichols
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                          You should see this crazy code. It was like they decided arbitrarily each day where to start their nested content.

                          code
                          

                          condition
                          {
                          code
                          condition
                          {
                          super long lines of code that go all the way off a standard screen with references to deeply nested arrays
                          }
                          other code
                          }

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                          • C Cpichols

                            You should see this crazy code. It was like they decided arbitrarily each day where to start their nested content.

                            code
                            

                            condition
                            {
                            code
                            condition
                            {
                            super long lines of code that go all the way off a standard screen with references to deeply nested arrays
                            }
                            other code
                            }

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                            Cpichols
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                            Yeah that didn't translate right; guess I should have used " "

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                            • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

                              What does using spaces have to do with collapsing code that you don't need to see right now?

                              Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
                              The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

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                              Cpichols
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                              Plus it's way easier to screw up the number of spaces needed. I guess that IDEs can be set to auto indent with spaces, but if someone else goes in there with notepad, it'll be a mess in a hurry. Using tabs discourages the use of notepad. Is that controlling? Maybe. I am a megalomaniac only in the coding, otherwise I'm very accommodating, so I'm comfortable with that.

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                              • C Cpichols

                                You should see this crazy code. It was like they decided arbitrarily each day where to start their nested content.

                                code
                                

                                condition
                                {
                                code
                                condition
                                {
                                super long lines of code that go all the way off a standard screen with references to deeply nested arrays
                                }
                                other code
                                }

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                                Greg Utas
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                                That's beyond sloppy. I would reformat it, and anyone who complained would be auditioning for a boys' choir.

                                Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
                                The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

                                <p><a href="https://github.com/GregUtas/robust-services-core/blob/master/README.md">Robust Services Core</a>
                                <em>The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.</em></p>

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                                  You should see this crazy code. It was like they decided arbitrarily each day where to start their nested content.

                                  code
                                  

                                  condition
                                  {
                                  code
                                  condition
                                  {
                                  super long lines of code that go all the way off a standard screen with references to deeply nested arrays
                                  }
                                  other code
                                  }

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                                  steve tabler
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                                  I'm regularly asked by other coders to fix code or tweak code that is formattwed like this, or worse. U like my indents to be a consistant 1/4 inch so the long lines of code don't wrap because they have several levels of indent in them. Just give me Allsup (ANSI) format.

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                                  • P PIEBALDconsult

                                    No, TAB stops are by distance, not character count. A half inch is sufficient.

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                                    Techsys Admin
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                                    You've got a point there. Word and WordPad (and many others, I'm sure) default to a proportional font so the default tab is 1/2 inch. Oddly, with a monospace fonts, I don't even consider the distance, per se, but instead a sufficient number of characters to make it read comfortably. Perhaps others do this? In any case, I normally choose 4 characters for the tab length in those files but I may have been influenced by so many editors choosing that same number.

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                                    • K Kevin Marois

                                      Quick survey... How many of you uses tabs vs spaces to indent your code?

                                      If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                                      Mark Starr
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                                      Indent? That’s really a thing? I just left-align everything. Tried right-align, but that was messy. :)

                                      Time is the differentiation of eternity devised by man to measure the passage of human events. - Manly P. Hall Mark Just another cog in the wheel

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                                        Quick survey... How many of you uses tabs vs spaces to indent your code?

                                        If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                                        User 11566074
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                                        I use spaces (inserted using the Tab key) according to the language: Python - 4 as is the usual setting, HTML/JavaScript: 2 because otherwise indenting of HTML tends to become too high to be comfortable.

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                                        • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

                                          That's beyond sloppy. I would reformat it, and anyone who complained would be auditioning for a boys' choir.

                                          Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
                                          The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

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                                          Cpichols
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                                          #36

                                          Yes, I tried that in the first few weeks of my job and got in major trouble because git was a Christmas tree. And they just ignored my branches because of it. Low man on totem pole.

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