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  • K Kevin Marois

    Quick survey... How many of you uses tabs vs spaces to indent your code?

    If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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    den2k88
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    I prefer tabs because when I have to move code from an indentation level to another it requires less deletes. Also allows for fancy editing like a different character width for indentation than for code (it helps for people who have to set the font to 12pt with 125% or 150% magnification active, like yours truly). Also I have worked on a codebase modified by several people in several years with different tools and different indentations. Code was something like

    if (condition){
    code;
    if (cnd2)
    {
    code;
    }
    code;
    while(something)
    {
    code;
    }
    }

    Tabs would have fixed the lunacy.

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    • W Wizard of Sleeves

      2½ spaces per tab

      Nothing succeeds like a budgie without teeth. To err is human, to arr is pirate.

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      OriginalGriff
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      :sigh: There's always someone who just wants to watch the world burn, isn't there? OK. You can have your half-a-space provided it's the top half.

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      • K Kevin Marois

        Quick survey... How many of you uses tabs vs spaces to indent your code?

        If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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        acego
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        I normally use Tab key (4 spaces) but it also depends on the IDE

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        • K Kevin Marois

          Quick survey... How many of you uses tabs vs spaces to indent your code?

          If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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          Cpichols
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          #24

          I use a 2-space tab.

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          • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

            I would've never thought there could be a good argument for tabs, but this sounds like a good way to satisfy everyone. My only question would be what the code looks like outside the IDE, in GitHub or even Notepad, for example.

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            Cpichols
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            I only care about what it looks like to the one working on the code. When dealing with changes to legacy code, I follow the patter established, which usually means copy/paste of the disparate numbers of spaces depending on the mood of the coder when it was created in notepad :wtf: I really hate the ripple effect that gives - I mean choose an indentation style and stick with it. I'm happiest when working on fresh apps where I can use auto indenting on vscode. So much pleasanter and I can properly collapse the bits I don't need to see right now. Why would I screw that up with using spaces? Just no.

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            • C Cpichols

              I only care about what it looks like to the one working on the code. When dealing with changes to legacy code, I follow the patter established, which usually means copy/paste of the disparate numbers of spaces depending on the mood of the coder when it was created in notepad :wtf: I really hate the ripple effect that gives - I mean choose an indentation style and stick with it. I'm happiest when working on fresh apps where I can use auto indenting on vscode. So much pleasanter and I can properly collapse the bits I don't need to see right now. Why would I screw that up with using spaces? Just no.

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              Greg Utas
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              What does using spaces have to do with collapsing code that you don't need to see right now?

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              • K Kevin Marois

                Quick survey... How many of you uses tabs vs spaces to indent your code?

                If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                JohnDG52
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                I prefer tabs - but the VS editor seems to have it's own idea about how they should be rendered, so I often end up using a mixture.

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                • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

                  What does using spaces have to do with collapsing code that you don't need to see right now?

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                  Cpichols
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                  You should see this crazy code. It was like they decided arbitrarily each day where to start their nested content.

                  code
                  

                  condition
                  {
                  code
                  condition
                  {
                  super long lines of code that go all the way off a standard screen with references to deeply nested arrays
                  }
                  other code
                  }

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                  • C Cpichols

                    You should see this crazy code. It was like they decided arbitrarily each day where to start their nested content.

                    code
                    

                    condition
                    {
                    code
                    condition
                    {
                    super long lines of code that go all the way off a standard screen with references to deeply nested arrays
                    }
                    other code
                    }

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                    Cpichols
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                    Yeah that didn't translate right; guess I should have used " "

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                    • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

                      What does using spaces have to do with collapsing code that you don't need to see right now?

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                      Cpichols
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                      Plus it's way easier to screw up the number of spaces needed. I guess that IDEs can be set to auto indent with spaces, but if someone else goes in there with notepad, it'll be a mess in a hurry. Using tabs discourages the use of notepad. Is that controlling? Maybe. I am a megalomaniac only in the coding, otherwise I'm very accommodating, so I'm comfortable with that.

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                      • C Cpichols

                        You should see this crazy code. It was like they decided arbitrarily each day where to start their nested content.

                        code
                        

                        condition
                        {
                        code
                        condition
                        {
                        super long lines of code that go all the way off a standard screen with references to deeply nested arrays
                        }
                        other code
                        }

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                        That's beyond sloppy. I would reformat it, and anyone who complained would be auditioning for a boys' choir.

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                        • C Cpichols

                          You should see this crazy code. It was like they decided arbitrarily each day where to start their nested content.

                          code
                          

                          condition
                          {
                          code
                          condition
                          {
                          super long lines of code that go all the way off a standard screen with references to deeply nested arrays
                          }
                          other code
                          }

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                          steve tabler
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                          I'm regularly asked by other coders to fix code or tweak code that is formattwed like this, or worse. U like my indents to be a consistant 1/4 inch so the long lines of code don't wrap because they have several levels of indent in them. Just give me Allsup (ANSI) format.

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                          • P PIEBALDconsult

                            No, TAB stops are by distance, not character count. A half inch is sufficient.

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                            Techsys Admin
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                            You've got a point there. Word and WordPad (and many others, I'm sure) default to a proportional font so the default tab is 1/2 inch. Oddly, with a monospace fonts, I don't even consider the distance, per se, but instead a sufficient number of characters to make it read comfortably. Perhaps others do this? In any case, I normally choose 4 characters for the tab length in those files but I may have been influenced by so many editors choosing that same number.

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                            • K Kevin Marois

                              Quick survey... How many of you uses tabs vs spaces to indent your code?

                              If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                              Mark Starr
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                              Indent? That’s really a thing? I just left-align everything. Tried right-align, but that was messy. :)

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                              • K Kevin Marois

                                Quick survey... How many of you uses tabs vs spaces to indent your code?

                                If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                                User 11566074
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                                I use spaces (inserted using the Tab key) according to the language: Python - 4 as is the usual setting, HTML/JavaScript: 2 because otherwise indenting of HTML tends to become too high to be comfortable.

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                                • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

                                  That's beyond sloppy. I would reformat it, and anyone who complained would be auditioning for a boys' choir.

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                                  The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

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                                  Cpichols
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                                  #36

                                  Yes, I tried that in the first few weeks of my job and got in major trouble because git was a Christmas tree. And they just ignored my branches because of it. Low man on totem pole.

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                                  • L Lost User

                                    I never understood that, 8 spaces per tab, on a teletype of all things - sheer lunacy.

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                                    obermd
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                                    I think it had to do with what a mechanical typewriter was able to reliably insert. Remember, the tab key didn't shift x spaces, it shifted to the next tab stop, and yes, these were physical stops in a mechanical typewriter. Since these old machines worked on a fixed width font of 8 characters per inch and the physical tab stops were one inch apart, a tab became associated with 8 characters.

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                                    • M Mike Hankey

                                      Beer cans used to have tabs...so I prefer tabs. :)

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                                      megaadam
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                                      I fine with that as long as you pick up the tab!

                                      "If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"

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                                      • M megaadam

                                        I fine with that as long as you pick up the tab!

                                        "If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"

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                                        Mike Hankey
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                                        • K Kevin Marois

                                          Quick survey... How many of you uses tabs vs spaces to indent your code?

                                          If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                                          TNCaver
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                                          Tabs. Converting the tabs to spaces in my code is a capital offense with immediate execution of the sentence.

                                          If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.

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