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  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

    I'd suggest that rather than the List<T> class, C# should be the string class or possibly the whole Generics system itself.

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    In the desktop/Win32 development I would agree. But in the web development List is making laps around any other generics type, or any other object.

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      In the desktop/Win32 development I would agree. But in the web development List is making laps around any other generics type, or any other object.

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      That's due to poor developer skills, not because lists are superior.

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        C *
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        These days "." has mutated to "=>". And not in a good way. Like it's been infected with Prolog, or F# or something.

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        • P PIEBALDconsult

          That's due to poor developer skills, not because lists are superior.

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          There is that too but is not always the case. Some Microsoft technologies/concepts are giving you no choice. EF and MVC come to mind.

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            What single structure or specific operator better defines a given language? As an example, I was thinking of: C * C++ - vector C# - List Java - arrays Any other languages or thoughts?

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            vector for C++ just isn't the right choice, and indicates you are using C++ like C. virtual and template are both far better choices. Depending upon how you use the language, both of them can be supported with valid arguments, so I don't think either of them can be realistically picked over the other. If you don't understand virtual, see the C++ tutorial in my sig. If you don't understand template, just see any of honey the codewitch's work. C++ becomes magic.

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              There is that too but is not always the case. Some Microsoft technologies/concepts are giving you no choice. EF and MVC come to mind.

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              Which just adds strength to my statement.

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                What single structure or specific operator better defines a given language? As an example, I was thinking of: C * C++ - vector C# - List Java - arrays Any other languages or thoughts?

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                Gary R Wheeler
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                My favorite .NET data structure is Dictionary<_T_> hands down. I always found the C++ equivalents (STL's map and MFC's CMap) somewhat klunkier, mostly because of the template usage and resultant inscrutable compiler diagnostics.

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                  vector for C++ just isn't the right choice, and indicates you are using C++ like C. virtual and template are both far better choices. Depending upon how you use the language, both of them can be supported with valid arguments, so I don't think either of them can be realistically picked over the other. If you don't understand virtual, see the C++ tutorial in my sig. If you don't understand template, just see any of honey the codewitch's work. C++ becomes magic.

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                  I wouldn't associate C++ with "virtual". Sure, it's a big part of the language concept, but not defines it. "Virtual" better fits with Java where everything is "virtual" by default. As for the templates, even C++ doesn't fully understand templates - at least until runtime. :) If you don't understand what I mean, think of separate template implementation and declaration. I know it's doable, but it doesn't feel natural.

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                    C *
                    C++ *
                    C# .
                    Java a large mug and lots of sugar

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                    BASIC LET

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                    My first take on programming language identifiers (not exhaustive by any means) C * C++ * COBOL ADD COBOL PIC FORTRAN do ALGOL begin PL/I BEGIN GO func

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                      My favorite .NET data structure is Dictionary<_T_> hands down. I always found the C++ equivalents (STL's map and MFC's CMap) somewhat klunkier, mostly because of the template usage and resultant inscrutable compiler diagnostics.

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                      Yes, Dictionary is verry powerful when you search by key as it gives you O (log N) search, no duplications, ets. But if we go this path then DataTable is even more interesting. I also don't like how you can shoot yourself in the leg with the STL map. One assignment with missing reference operator and you are working with old data/copy.

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                        I wouldn't associate C++ with "virtual". Sure, it's a big part of the language concept, but not defines it. "Virtual" better fits with Java where everything is "virtual" by default. As for the templates, even C++ doesn't fully understand templates - at least until runtime. :) If you don't understand what I mean, think of separate template implementation and declaration. I know it's doable, but it doesn't feel natural.

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                        So the word you are looking for is class. Not vector. :doh:

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                          No generics in v1. System.String is dreadful, the unavoidability of immutability is a very short-sighted (ivory tower) idea. They had to include StringBuilder just to make things work. It would be better for strings to be mutable by default and then be able to set them as immutable later as needed -- mystring.AsReadOnly() or mystring.ReadOnly = true Bleah, ptui. :mad:

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                          And no vector in C++ V1 either ... languages improve! :laugh: But string isn't too bad - it's not perfect, but it is way, way better than the char* / const char * mess that preceded it.

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                            So the word you are looking for is class. Not vector. :doh:

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                            Again, not verry C++ specific. Same for structures.

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                              Again, not verry C++ specific. Same for structures.

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                              Quote:

                              What single structure or specific operator better defines a given language?

                              That was your question. template, virtual, and class are all better answers than vector. In fact, vector is an idiotic answer to that specific question. Especially since vector isn't a structure or operator. :doh: :doh: :doh: Of course, neither are the items I've given, but they do define the language.

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                                What single structure or specific operator better defines a given language? As an example, I was thinking of: C * C++ - vector C# - List Java - arrays Any other languages or thoughts?

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                                I would've said Java class Object But on the other hand I must admit that, when it comes to Java for me personally, a ten-foot-pole aint long enough :cool:

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                                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                  And no vector in C++ V1 either ... languages improve! :laugh: But string isn't too bad - it's not perfect, but it is way, way better than the char* / const char * mess that preceded it.

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                                  OriginalGriff wrote:

                                  languages improve

                                  Then it's not the same language.

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                                    Yes, Dictionary is verry powerful when you search by key as it gives you O (log N) search, no duplications, ets. But if we go this path then DataTable is even more interesting. I also don't like how you can shoot yourself in the leg with the STL map. One assignment with missing reference operator and you are working with old data/copy.

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                                    STL map is pretty ok, but you need to know how to use it....

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                                      Python: a tab and three spaces just to annoy people.

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                                      How big is the tab? Like a bar tab?

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                                      • G Gary R Wheeler

                                        My favorite .NET data structure is Dictionary<_T_> hands down. I always found the C++ equivalents (STL's map and MFC's CMap) somewhat klunkier, mostly because of the template usage and resultant inscrutable compiler diagnostics.

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                                        enums are also way better in .net languages.

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                                          What single structure or specific operator better defines a given language? As an example, I was thinking of: C * C++ - vector C# - List Java - arrays Any other languages or thoughts?

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                                          Javascript - "undefined". :-)

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