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  • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

    After less than a week on W11 I got so frustrated with the taskbar, that I actually paid for a software to resolve the issue... It is not about the money ($5), but the realization that MS actually doesn't give a shit about end user...

    "If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization." ― Gerald Weinberg

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    Super Lloyd
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    mmm.. what is the problem with the task bar exactly?

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      mmm.. what is the problem with the task bar exactly?

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      Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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      No text and always grouped... So to select one of the N opened Visual Studio instances is PITA...

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      • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

        No text and always grouped... So to select one of the N opened Visual Studio instances is PITA...

        "If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization." ― Gerald Weinberg

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        Amarnath S
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        Isn't is also the case that when the mouse is hovered over the group icon in the Taskbar, it shows all the opened instances as thumbnails/tooltips, from which the desired one can be selected? Doesn't seem like a PITA.

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        • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

          After less than a week on W11 I got so frustrated with the taskbar, that I actually paid for a software to resolve the issue... It is not about the money ($5), but the realization that MS actually doesn't give a shit about end user...

          "If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization." ― Gerald Weinberg

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          I agree. I'm trying to set up my new laptop - windows 11 professional. Why MS would mess with something so fundamental as the task bar. This is like a car maker putting the steering wheel on the floor and the brake pedals on the dash. It just makes no sense unless they are diabolically evil. Wait, I may have just hit on something... For the record, what did you buy?

          Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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            Isn't is also the case that when the mouse is hovered over the group icon in the Taskbar, it shows all the opened instances as thumbnails/tooltips, from which the desired one can be selected? Doesn't seem like a PITA.

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            Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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            It is PITA... You have to wait for the popup, then identify the correct instance from the thumbernail... You also misding identifications lke 'Running' or 'Debug'... A big time PITA

            "If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization." ― Gerald Weinberg

            "It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox

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              I agree. I'm trying to set up my new laptop - windows 11 professional. Why MS would mess with something so fundamental as the task bar. This is like a car maker putting the steering wheel on the floor and the brake pedals on the dash. It just makes no sense unless they are diabolically evil. Wait, I may have just hit on something... For the record, what did you buy?

              Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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              Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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              It called StartAllBack... Also using O&O ShutUp to block unwanted network traffic

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              • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                After less than a week on W11 I got so frustrated with the taskbar, that I actually paid for a software to resolve the issue... It is not about the money ($5), but the realization that MS actually doesn't give a shit about end user...

                "If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization." ― Gerald Weinberg

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                Agreed! :thumbsup: If you find something useful, $5 is a measly amount, especially considering that MS is now giving away a lot of development tools many of us use. I'll stay away from W11 as long as I can. I absolutely loved Win7 and have learned to tolerate coexist with Win10. I've setup a couple of laptops with W11 and wasn't impressed...just more dumbing down, tablet oriented, shiny stuff. X| I'll be getting a new laptop soon, and will either learn to live with it, or also spend a little to make it tolerable! :)

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                • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                  It is PITA... You have to wait for the popup, then identify the correct instance from the thumbernail... You also misding identifications lke 'Running' or 'Debug'... A big time PITA

                  "If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization." ― Gerald Weinberg

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                  Amarnath S
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                  Ok. Understood.

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                  • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                    After less than a week on W11 I got so frustrated with the taskbar, that I actually paid for a software to resolve the issue... It is not about the money ($5), but the realization that MS actually doesn't give a shit about end user...

                    "If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization." ― Gerald Weinberg

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                    Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:

                    ...MS actually doesn't give a sh*t about end user...

                    Surely you realized this decades ago. They stopped being "geeks with cool tools" a long time ago. Now they're just a [insert insensitive non-PC adjective here] business like any other.

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                      I'm using ExplorerPatcher and 7 Taskbar Tweaker. I think MS is going to bring back the 'don't combine' feature soon.

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                      I have been using ExplorerPatch it works so sticking with it for awhile. I think I paid money for it even.

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                      • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                        It is PITA... You have to wait for the popup, then identify the correct instance from the thumbernail... You also misding identifications lke 'Running' or 'Debug'... A big time PITA

                        "If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization." ― Gerald Weinberg

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                        i am afraid i do not yet understand . how should it behave ? when i hover over VS icon in taskbar i see a small preview with the name of the project in surprisingly large letters at top allowing me to easily identify . btw this is on Windows 10 . is it different on your system ?

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                          i am afraid i do not yet understand . how should it behave ? when i hover over VS icon in taskbar i see a small preview with the name of the project in surprisingly large letters at top allowing me to easily identify . btw this is on Windows 10 . is it different on your system ?

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                          BernardIE5317 wrote:

                          is it different on your system

                          Yes; you lose the ability NOT to group items, and also lose the caption in Windows 11. This is the issue - it used to work well in Win10, then they broke it. One of several reasons I've opted NOT to "upgrade" to Win11.

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                          • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                            After less than a week on W11 I got so frustrated with the taskbar, that I actually paid for a software to resolve the issue... It is not about the money ($5), but the realization that MS actually doesn't give a shit about end user...

                            "If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization." ― Gerald Weinberg

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                            Running latest version W11 not running any other taskbar software Personalization Taskbar settings: everything off except hidden icon menu windows update status All icons in taskbar are where i have placed them, no grouping Labels show when hovering over icon. I do not see your problem.

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                              BernardIE5317 wrote:

                              is it different on your system

                              Yes; you lose the ability NOT to group items, and also lose the caption in Windows 11. This is the issue - it used to work well in Win10, then they broke it. One of several reasons I've opted NOT to "upgrade" to Win11.

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                                Running latest version W11 not running any other taskbar software Personalization Taskbar settings: everything off except hidden icon menu windows update status All icons in taskbar are where i have placed them, no grouping Labels show when hovering over icon. I do not see your problem.

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                                First problem is the icons - I want labels Second - how many instances of VS for instance you have?

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                                  Running latest version W11 not running any other taskbar software Personalization Taskbar settings: everything off except hidden icon menu windows update status All icons in taskbar are where i have placed them, no grouping Labels show when hovering over icon. I do not see your problem.

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                                  Sounds like you configured W11 to as close as possible to your Windows 10 config?

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                                    Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:

                                    ...MS actually doesn't give a sh*t about end user...

                                    Surely you realized this decades ago. They stopped being "geeks with cool tools" a long time ago. Now they're just a [insert insensitive non-PC adjective here] business like any other.

                                    "One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson

                                    "Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons

                                    "You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles

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                                    What do you think would happen if McDonalds redid the qp like ms did the taskbar?

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                                      mmm.. what is the problem with the task bar exactly?

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                                      charlieg
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                                      Seriously?

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                                      • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                                        First problem is the icons - I want labels Second - how many instances of VS for instance you have?

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                                        jmaida
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                                        Labels on icons, understood. Don't know if that is an option with standard W11 settings. Not sure I understand VS reference.

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                                          Sounds like you configured W11 to as close as possible to your Windows 10 config?

                                          Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                                          bada bing

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