A Walk Through Hades
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Roger Wright wrote:
I've assembled a lot of PC's in the past 30 years, for myself and for others. I've never experienced a single glitch, as everything has always gone perfectly smoothly.
It's probably the RAM, everything else is cookie-cutter. Motherboards come with a _lot_ of optimizations these days in the areas of CPU, GPU, and RAM. Assuming you're supplying enough power to all the parts or you're not overheating... Here's what you need to do: * Go get a BIOS update on a USB stick from another computer. Update your BIOS to fix any bugs, etc. since the motherboard was released. * Then go into your BIOS and disable *ALL* optimizations - especially for your RAM. * Now, install windows. Go through the Windows update process, etc. * Then and only then, turn back on those optimizations one-by-one to see if you still have a problem.
Roger Wright wrote:
But I've never used an ASUS motherboard. I will never do so again.
ASUS sucks now. They used to be awesome. Times change.
Jeremy Falcon
... I agree, probably RAM. Saw the video on ASUS. Thanx, news to me. If accurate, beware. I have built my share of computer systems. ... BTW, be tolerant of argumentative feedback. You are pretty good at it yourself. It's all good. That's how we learn. Ciao
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger
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... I agree, probably RAM. Saw the video on ASUS. Thanx, news to me. If accurate, beware. I have built my share of computer systems. ... BTW, be tolerant of argumentative feedback. You are pretty good at it yourself. It's all good. That's how we learn. Ciao
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger
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... I agree, probably RAM. Saw the video on ASUS. Thanx, news to me. If accurate, beware. I have built my share of computer systems. ... BTW, be tolerant of argumentative feedback. You are pretty good at it yourself. It's all good. That's how we learn. Ciao
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger
I’m on my phone, so I can’t properly quote text… but any time man. About the arguments… totally guilty. :) These days, I see it as a waste of time and energy though. It only distracts from the people I want to talk to. I’ve managed enough people to know those that only disagree are usually lousy team players. And a few of them are bad at their job. Some aren’t. A lot are. It’s just wasting time. Anywho, I see what you’re saying, and that’s why I ask the bad characters to leave me alone. I’m tired of them. They won’t though. Dang Internet.
Jeremy Falcon
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I’m on my phone, so I can’t properly quote text… but any time man. About the arguments… totally guilty. :) These days, I see it as a waste of time and energy though. It only distracts from the people I want to talk to. I’ve managed enough people to know those that only disagree are usually lousy team players. And a few of them are bad at their job. Some aren’t. A lot are. It’s just wasting time. Anywho, I see what you’re saying, and that’s why I ask the bad characters to leave me alone. I’m tired of them. They won’t though. Dang Internet.
Jeremy Falcon
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It's possible, Richard, but I've no reliable way to test it. The motherboard BIOS setup includes MEMTEST86, but the results are inconclusive. It bails out and fails while running, but the summary results say PASS: 100%. Go figure. There are other memory test utilities out there, but they all assume an operating system is there to execute them. I do have a fresh copy of Ubuntu that I can try, I guess.
Will Rogers never met me.
Hiren's stopped the work a while ago, but there is another new DVD of it for PC's from windows 10 times. It might bring a couple of tools inside helpfull for the new hardware.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I’m on my phone, so I can’t properly quote text… but any time man. About the arguments… totally guilty. :) These days, I see it as a waste of time and energy though. It only distracts from the people I want to talk to. I’ve managed enough people to know those that only disagree are usually lousy team players. And a few of them are bad at their job. Some aren’t. A lot are. It’s just wasting time. Anywho, I see what you’re saying, and that’s why I ask the bad characters to leave me alone. I’m tired of them. They won’t though. Dang Internet.
Jeremy Falcon
English question from a non native here...
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Anywho
Anywho? Or Anyhow?
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I'll give the BIOS update a try next week. For now, I'm taking a weekend away from this thing. I used to buy only SuperMicro boards, but they've gone to selling only server boards and complete workstations. That's a shame, because they've always been the gold standard for quality to me. I wish there was some visibility into what the setup process is doing... it would make it so much easier to diagnose things. Why does it crash at 4% - what's it doing???
Will Rogers never met me.
My current one is a MSI and I am pretty happy with how it works. My systems is MSI Board, AMD 7 CPU, Viper RAM, Crucial NVME SSD, and the rest is from BeQuiet (Case, PowerUnit, Fans, CPU Fantower...) Running smooth since the very beginning. I know it doesn't help you a lot right now, just wanted to name some alternatives. Good luck solving your issues :) :thumbsup:
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Well, my new PC sure looks pretty, but it doesn't do anything. I've tried about 67 times to install Windows 11 and nothing works. It took a while to work out the compatibility issues, but the BIOS configuration was right a few days ago. Now it will boot into the Win11 Setup program, but it won't get past the point where it's at the 4 - 5% spot of "Preparing files for installation." It crashes with the error: "0x80070570" which happens to mean anything Microsoft wants it to mean. I thought it might be a defective DVD media, but after more than 20 attempts to get that to work, I tried the download approach to make a bootable USB Drive. That causes the same error, at the same point in the setup process. I'm at wit's end with this POS. I've assembled a lot of PC's in the past 30 years, for myself and for others. I've never experienced a single glitch, as everything has always gone perfectly smoothly. But I've never used an ASUS motherboard. I will never do so again.
Will Rogers never met me.
Try disconnecting everything that's not 100% necessary. Only keep the boot media (you mentioned it's on DVD?), the mouse, keyboard and monitor. Disconnect every other physical wire, including LAN. If prompted during install, skip Wifi setup. This worked for me the few times I've seen this sort of thing happen. Once the OS is up, I reconnected everything, one device at a time, and let the OS detect it/install the drivers as/if needed.
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English question from a non native here...
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Anywho
Anywho? Or Anyhow?
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Anywho (or anyhoo) is a mostly US colloquialism for anyhow or anyway. Usually meant to be humorous.
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Anywho (or anyhoo) is a mostly US colloquialism for anyhow or anyway. Usually meant to be humorous.
Thanks for the explanation
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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True. Some folks just argue for the sake of it. Not team players for sure. Tiresome and not constructive.
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger
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Clearly, being as argumentative as you are… you feel the need to get the last word. Fine, you can have it. Just leave me alone. I tire of this childish behavior.
Jeremy Falcon
Boy, you are one silly intemperate person!
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Boy, you are one silly intemperate person!
For one, I don't care what you think. For two, don't judge me based on your out of context conclusion. For three, if you actually were neutral and opted to lean on intellectual observations of this thread, you'll see I was right in all my points. Instead, you feel the need to demonstrate your bias to help you feel better like you're a savior or something. You're not. So, to put it simply, if you're going to be "that type" who loves to argue then leave me alone as well. You are not worth my time with this low level of discourse. If CP had a blocking feature, I'd block you too. I deseve peace, not the antics of argumentative people with nothing better to do.
Jeremy Falcon
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BTW I don't think Honey argues for the sake of it. She is intense and drills pretty deep. Passionate about her work. I learn a lot from CP. EOS
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger
jmaida wrote:
BTW I don't think Honey argues for the sake of it.
Honey doesn't even fully read my posts or bother to understand it before disagreeing. Honey can dish the heat but cannot take it. I have no time for that. I've asked for the bad apples to just leave me alone. They can't even do that. Just goes to show how little they actually read the posts they argue on. So, we're just gonna have to disagree on this buddy. :) And that's ok. I should just be able to block people that are nothing but trouble and arguments and go on with my life. But, I can't.
Jeremy Falcon
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English question from a non native here...
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Anywho
Anywho? Or Anyhow?
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
The question was already answered, but yeah it's just me being silly _trying_ to keep this chat somewhat lighthearted. Not successfully though. :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon
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Well, my new PC sure looks pretty, but it doesn't do anything. I've tried about 67 times to install Windows 11 and nothing works. It took a while to work out the compatibility issues, but the BIOS configuration was right a few days ago. Now it will boot into the Win11 Setup program, but it won't get past the point where it's at the 4 - 5% spot of "Preparing files for installation." It crashes with the error: "0x80070570" which happens to mean anything Microsoft wants it to mean. I thought it might be a defective DVD media, but after more than 20 attempts to get that to work, I tried the download approach to make a bootable USB Drive. That causes the same error, at the same point in the setup process. I'm at wit's end with this POS. I've assembled a lot of PC's in the past 30 years, for myself and for others. I've never experienced a single glitch, as everything has always gone perfectly smoothly. But I've never used an ASUS motherboard. I will never do so again.
Will Rogers never met me.
Have you tried resetting the CMOS RAM? I had a system a few years ago that had similar issues. All the BIOS setting appeared to be correct but the system couldn't complete a Windows install. I reset the CMOS RAM and then adjusted the settings and it started to work correctly.
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I read the part where you said don't expect a reply from you. As you replied twice.
Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch/gfx
You are in trouble now! You are on his naughty list. As am I. Presumably because you disagree with him along with providing objective detail as to why. And man he doesn't like that. And his response is that you should never ever comment on his replies. He probably doesn't understand how free speech works.
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Have you tried resetting the CMOS RAM? I had a system a few years ago that had similar issues. All the BIOS setting appeared to be correct but the system couldn't complete a Windows install. I reset the CMOS RAM and then adjusted the settings and it started to work correctly.
Yes, that was the first thing I tried. But now I'm wondering if I have too little capacity on the PSU. The recommended power from the vendor was 650W, I bought a 750W unit. But this processor and the video card can get greedy. Perhaps a 1000W would be a better choice.
Will Rogers never met me.
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Try disconnecting everything that's not 100% necessary. Only keep the boot media (you mentioned it's on DVD?), the mouse, keyboard and monitor. Disconnect every other physical wire, including LAN. If prompted during install, skip Wifi setup. This worked for me the few times I've seen this sort of thing happen. Once the OS is up, I reconnected everything, one device at a time, and let the OS detect it/install the drivers as/if needed.
A good plan! I'll give it a try. I think I'll try easter-egging the RAM, as well, removing half of it at a time and rebooting. If there's a memory problem, that should help to isolate it.
Will Rogers never met me.
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It's possible, Richard, but I've no reliable way to test it. The motherboard BIOS setup includes MEMTEST86, but the results are inconclusive. It bails out and fails while running, but the summary results say PASS: 100%. Go figure. There are other memory test utilities out there, but they all assume an operating system is there to execute them. I do have a fresh copy of Ubuntu that I can try, I guess.
Will Rogers never met me.
There is many ways to check, you can use the Windows Memory Test [Point 9 here](https://www.digitalcitizen.life/start-the-windows-memory-diagnostic/) , you can make your own bootable memtest86+ stick (download UEFI or MBR boot): [MemTest86 - Download now!](https://www.memtest86.com/download.htm), or use [Hiren's BootCD 15.2 Download | TechSpot](https://www.techspot.com/downloads/6966-hirens-bootcd.html). Maybe checking that the RAM runs on the specs in the motherboard helps, my Kingston Fury RAMs did not start with the last two AMD boards (Asus, Asrock), had to manually set the frequency (lucky me, nothing beyond that). It was auto-recognized as a much slower RAM with different timing.
