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Is visual basic dead?

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  • C Christian Graus

    I feel like I've not seen any vb.net roles in some time.. Is it still being built or is it dead?

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    Kent Sharkey
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    Not dead, but "done".

    Visual Basic language strategy - Visual Basic | Microsoft Learn[^]

    We will ensure Visual Basic remains a straightforward and approachable language with a stable design. The core libraries of .NET (such as the BCL) will support VB and many of the improvements to the .NET Runtime and libraries will automatically benefit VB. When C# or the .NET Runtime introduce new features that would require language support, VB will generally adopt a consumption-only approach and avoid new syntax. We do not plan to extend Visual Basic to new workloads. We will continue to invest in the experience in Visual Studio and interop with C#, especially in core VB scenarios such as Windows Forms and libraries.

    TTFN - Kent

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      Not dead, but "done".

      Visual Basic language strategy - Visual Basic | Microsoft Learn[^]

      We will ensure Visual Basic remains a straightforward and approachable language with a stable design. The core libraries of .NET (such as the BCL) will support VB and many of the improvements to the .NET Runtime and libraries will automatically benefit VB. When C# or the .NET Runtime introduce new features that would require language support, VB will generally adopt a consumption-only approach and avoid new syntax. We do not plan to extend Visual Basic to new workloads. We will continue to invest in the experience in Visual Studio and interop with C#, especially in core VB scenarios such as Windows Forms and libraries.

      TTFN - Kent

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      Christian Graus
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      Left to die on the vine

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      • C Christian Graus

        I feel like I've not seen any vb.net roles in some time.. Is it still being built or is it dead?

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        Amarnath S
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        IMHO, VB is the easiest-to-learn visual programming environment. If only I had known about it before learning about the Message Map macros in MFC, I would have learnt things faster.

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        • C Christian Graus

          I feel like I've not seen any vb.net roles in some time.. Is it still being built or is it dead?

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          CPallini
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          Caroline says she wants a language but it's just a toy.

          "In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?" -- Rigoletto

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          • C Christian Graus

            Left to die on the vine

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            Nelek
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            Christian Graus wrote:

            Left to die on the vine

            Do not worry or be sad... Seeing how much VB6 still is alive and kicking (often in the balls). I suppose you will have VB.Net until you retire. :rolleyes: :-D

            M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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            • A Amarnath S

              IMHO, VB is the easiest-to-learn visual programming environment. If only I had known about it before learning about the Message Map macros in MFC, I would have learnt things faster.

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              Nelek
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              Amarnath S wrote:

              I would have learnt things faster.

              Probably, but, would you have learned the correct ones?

              M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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              • Mike HankeyM Mike Hankey

                It's still alive? :)

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                Nelek
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                Yeah... it needs more than a #2 double tap[^] :rolleyes: :-D

                M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                • A Amarnath S

                  IMHO, VB is the easiest-to-learn visual programming environment. If only I had known about it before learning about the Message Map macros in MFC, I would have learnt things faster.

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                  Lost User
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                  Amarnath S wrote:

                  the Message Map macros in MFC

                  I wasted far too much of my life grappling with those abominations. X| X|

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                  • C Christian Graus

                    I feel like I've not seen any vb.net roles in some time.. Is it still being built or is it dead?

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                    den2k88
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                    In .NET it makes no sense, there is only the CLR and C# is the sensible choice - many languages have C-like syntax, only VB has VB-like syntax. If they will ever make a native VB7 personally I will be if not the first adopter, the second. It's happening more and more that I need to put up a small interface for testing or an intelligent script with some graphic and swear against the useless complications imposed by the alternatives. I miss VB (but not On Error Resiume Next).

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                    • C Christian Graus

                      I feel like I've not seen any vb.net roles in some time.. Is it still being built or is it dead?

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                      DerekT P
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                      I'm on the verge of retiring and haven't built a new commercial system for ages; when I last did, I used C#, and a couple of hobby websites I'm using C#. But I'm also still supporting VB.Net stuff (including one large commercial system) and have even found a couple of 3rd parties who are happy to take over long-term support for it. If I need to knock up a proof-of-concept or a quick web utility for myself, I still find VB quicker than C#. And in work, I've yet to find anything I can't do in VB.Net that I can (and want to) do in C#. But I'm a bit of a Luddite anyway.

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                      • C Christian Graus

                        I feel like I've not seen any vb.net roles in some time.. Is it still being built or is it dead?

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                        Lost User
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                        Not enough "samples". If you have to start somewhere (with MS), finding "working samples" (C#) is a big plus.

                        "Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

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                        • C Christian Graus

                          I've asked the Bing AI programming questions and I am thrilled with the absolute confidence with which it tells me bullshit

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                          Nelek
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                          At least you can recongnise it is bullshit... I don't want to imagine how many wannabe coders are now copy+pasting from it and wondering why it doesn't work, which actually would be the best case, worst one is it compiles and works, but not as it should.

                          M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                          • D dandy72

                            I queried it instead of Google. That's all that means. I rather like the summaries it generates, rather than following link after link which lead to questionable results.

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                            RedDk
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                            Ok. In your defense, I just had a ChatGPT bot go off in my face without having clicked on any link anywhere. So all queasy feelings aside, you may proceed to the keep :cool:

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                            • C Christian Graus

                              I've asked the Bing AI programming questions and I am thrilled with the absolute confidence with which it tells me bullshit

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                              dandy72
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                              As with any topic you ask any AI about, you're free to take the results at face value. Or not. I've asked it for code snippets before. At least with code, it's generally easy enough to determine whether something works or not.

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                              • C Christian Graus

                                I feel like I've not seen any vb.net roles in some time.. Is it still being built or is it dead?

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                                Bob Beechey
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                                I treated Basic with contempt in early days. Baffled by why people used VB6 when Delphi was so much more regular and productive. However, when I first saw VB, I was impressed - at last BASIC as a real programming language, However, there was also the wonderful C# that, to me, "looked like Java and smelled like Delphi".

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                                • C Christian Graus

                                  I feel like I've not seen any vb.net roles in some time.. Is it still being built or is it dead?

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                                  grralph1
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                                  Visual Basic is not dead. It just smells funny. Like Jazz. However I do think that it is doomed in the end.

                                  "Rock journalism is people who can't write interviewing people who can't talk for people who can't read." Frank Zappa 1980

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                                  • C Christian Graus

                                    I feel like I've not seen any vb.net roles in some time.. Is it still being built or is it dead?

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                                    MehtaRahulC
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                                    imo VB6 died. And VBA , VB.NET are dying. And I am sad about it. The programming languages I have used most are VB6 and VBA. Even now, I use mainly VB6 and some VB.NET. I have NOT touched python and even C# Now, its for VB6 and VBA users to resurrect VB6 and keep VBA alive. Microsoft abandoned VB6 and will soon abandon VB.NET and even VBA. So those who like VB6, VBA etc will have to work to keep it alive

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                                    • C Christian Graus

                                      I feel like I've not seen any vb.net roles in some time.. Is it still being built or is it dead?

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                                      Peter Adam
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                                      Started quite a few new project using vb.net. It is a cool, chilled language, more modern than the workhorse, Delphi 7. Used C# a lot before. As others pointed out, it is a C (as in cancer) type language driven into total chaos by the Cool Kids On The Codeblock. Release by release harder to follow the syntax incorporating things from All The Cool Languages. [Including from Dartmouth BASIC :)](https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/csharp/whats-new/tutorials/top-level-statements)

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                                      • C Christian Graus

                                        I feel like I've not seen any vb.net roles in some time.. Is it still being built or is it dead?

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                                        CodeZombie62
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                                        Been using one flavor or another of Basic for most of my 30+ year career including VB6 and VB.Net but I’ve not touched it since 2021. I didn’t think I would like C# at first but now I can’t really imagine ever going back to VB. But I don’t think VB will ever completely die.

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                                        • C Christian Graus

                                          I feel like I've not seen any vb.net roles in some time.. Is it still being built or is it dead?

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                                          MikeCO10
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                                          Short answer is Nope. I got flagged a couple of years ago on another forum for answering the same question about PHP. I said they would more than likely be dead before PHP :) That was apparently an offensive answer, lol. Of course, the difference between VB and PHP is that VB.net is a semi-commercial venture by Microsoft, so at the end of the day, it is their call regarding its existence. Codebase sizes for desktop apps are largely unknown with estimates being based on things like jobs and posted questions. While those two metrics have some relevance, they don't accurately depict the actual usage. For many of those applications, there's little difference between C# and VB. Heck, there's still a bunch of VB6 floating around that still does what it needs to do. Should it be? No, but it can be tough for some organizations to justify (or afford) the expense of converting to C# or even VB.net. I wouldn't answer this question as strongly as I did the PHP one. The web has become mature enough to handle more apps that were relegated to desktop roles and I've seen more movement in that direction.

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