Older developers - have you noticed a change in your sleep habits?
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I fall asleep (too) easily in the evening, but I wake up at 4h or 4h30 in the morning and cannot go back to sleep. I don't remember the last time I've setup an alarm. There was some changes due to health issues.
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Maximilien wrote:
I fall asleep (too) easily in the evening, but I wake up at 4h or 4h30 in the morning and cannot go back to sleep.
I also doze off too often watching TV early evening. Not any sort of deep sleep, I wake up easily from that, but I try fight it. There was a point where I figured, why fight it, if I'm that tired, it's because I need the sleep, and made no effort to fight it off. But I've come to realize, invariably, if I'm asleep early evening, I'll be wide awake at 11pm, and will toss and turn until maybe 4am. Which guarantees I'll be groggy for the entire upcoming day. So going to bed early always makes things worse for me.
Maximilien wrote:
I don't remember the last time I've setup an alarm.
Same. More often than not, I'm awake at 6am (7 at the latest), but don't need to get out of bed at that time so I just stay there - otherwise getting out of bed is a struggle, and I'll definitely notice being tired earlier come late afternoon.
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Since I was about 40 I stopped sleeping for more than 4 hours at a time. That's my "long" sleep, if I end up getting it. Usually it's 2 hours. And I typically have to lay down and sleep after I eat. I'm not prediabetic (there are two reasons this can happen and I have the other one) My day has become a series of naps. It's frustrating.
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honey the codewitch wrote:
prediabetic
This reminded me of a conversation I heard (some podcast?) where the hosts were discussing how Big Pharma came up with the word "pre-cancerous", to push some pills/injections/treatment of one kind or another. The implication being, you'll either get cancer later, or already have it. The conversation went on to define life as "pre-death". :-) I'm not trying to make light of the situation, and I fully realize "prediabetic" is absolutely a thing. Just that somehow my mind went there.
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Back when I was single, I used to go to bed between midnight and 1AM, read for an hour or two, and then get up around 9AM. Now I'm married, it's a rare occasion for me to still be awake beyond 9PM, and we usually wake up somewhere between 5AM and 6AM - sometimes earlier if the cats are being arseholes. Which should be good fun next week on the annual Belgium beer trip: we don't normally get back to the hotel before midnight. :beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer:
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Richard Deeming wrote:
earlier if the cats are being arseholes.
If? Cats are always arseholes, right? :-D We used to put ours in the back room each night, otherwise one or the other would be up puking, howling, bumping the door, etc. That's normal cat behavior, not deviant (for a cat). :laugh:
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charlieg wrote:
How are you sleeping?
At almost 57, I sleep just fine but I tend to wander. :zzz: The missus and I have a routine: 0: around 8PM, she falls asleep on the couch and I typically watch news until 9PM when Alexa tells me to take my meds. 1: go to bed, put on the news again and am usually out before 10. 2: around midnight, the missus and the hound move from the couch to the bed. 3: typically around 2AM I wake up drenched in sweat, or the hound has turned crossways and is kicking the hell out of me. 4: I move from the bed to the couch, put on the news again and sleep until 5AM or so 5: 50/50 either stay on the couch or go back to bed, depends on the position/disposition of the hound! :laugh:
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I've been on this site for nigh 2 decades. The honesty has always been concerning, refreshing and challenging. Many of us have been here so long, we are either reaching or have reached the end of our "careers" - whatever the hell that means. For me, my career has been running out of mouths to feed before running out of money. Setting humor aside... I'm 64. Here comes the question... How are you sleeping? I tend to crash around 10 or 11. But if I've been thinking about something, within a few hours I am wide awake. It's a little after 3am EST. Is this an age thing? Don't go medical on me - I'm just looking for general thoughts. I have a bottle of melatonin - meh. I tried a bottle of sleep aid from Costco (never again). This is border line (to be honest, probably well past) sleep disorder which is weird for me. Meanwhile, I hate my wife ;) She's snoring within 5 minutes and has an internal alarm clock for 5am...
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
Am 58. Usually go to bed at around 11 pm. And get up around 5.30 am. No disturbance except for occasional not-so-good dreams. One important thing. All digital devices are shut down before retiring to bed. Especially the mobile phone will be set to airplane ✈️ mode at 11 pm everyday. Only at 5.30 am will it be brought back live. I feel this matters in our sleep cycle.
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I've been on this site for nigh 2 decades. The honesty has always been concerning, refreshing and challenging. Many of us have been here so long, we are either reaching or have reached the end of our "careers" - whatever the hell that means. For me, my career has been running out of mouths to feed before running out of money. Setting humor aside... I'm 64. Here comes the question... How are you sleeping? I tend to crash around 10 or 11. But if I've been thinking about something, within a few hours I am wide awake. It's a little after 3am EST. Is this an age thing? Don't go medical on me - I'm just looking for general thoughts. I have a bottle of melatonin - meh. I tried a bottle of sleep aid from Costco (never again). This is border line (to be honest, probably well past) sleep disorder which is weird for me. Meanwhile, I hate my wife ;) She's snoring within 5 minutes and has an internal alarm clock for 5am...
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
I tend to go to bed between 3-4am and wake up at 10am. I wish I could sleep a couple more hours. My natural body rhythm favors an 18 hour day followed by 8 hours of sleep, but that causes me to go out of phase with my coworkers, so I compensate by sleeping less on weekdays. :( PS: I'm also 64 and have had this sleep cycle as long as I can remember. PPS: When I fall asleep I sleep soundly. Very soundly. /ravi
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I've been on this site for nigh 2 decades. The honesty has always been concerning, refreshing and challenging. Many of us have been here so long, we are either reaching or have reached the end of our "careers" - whatever the hell that means. For me, my career has been running out of mouths to feed before running out of money. Setting humor aside... I'm 64. Here comes the question... How are you sleeping? I tend to crash around 10 or 11. But if I've been thinking about something, within a few hours I am wide awake. It's a little after 3am EST. Is this an age thing? Don't go medical on me - I'm just looking for general thoughts. I have a bottle of melatonin - meh. I tried a bottle of sleep aid from Costco (never again). This is border line (to be honest, probably well past) sleep disorder which is weird for me. Meanwhile, I hate my wife ;) She's snoring within 5 minutes and has an internal alarm clock for 5am...
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
Hehehe... I've been here more than 2 decades, and I still love it, even though my job no longer needs me to program. I go to bed between 10 PM and 4 AM, depending on absolutely nothing. If there's nothing interesting to do, it's early; if I'm engrossed in something, it's near dawn before I lay me down. Sometimes I wake in a couple of hours, sometimes it's hard to wake up. I have a bottle of scotch for that. I retired 7 years ago, then went back to work for twice the salary last May; it's fun! The Dr gave me Trazadone to help get to sleep; I rarely take one, and the effect only lasts a couple of hours. Of course, he prescribed a year supply, so I have enough to last several lifetimes. Regardless of when I get to sleep, most mornings I wake around 5 - 6 AM, then roll over and solve all the world's problems while I wait for the alarm to fire off. As for wives, I got over that expensive habit 35 years ago, and haven't met anyone worth the effort to settle down with since. Even if I did, she wouldn't last one night; I snore enough that no one but me is getting any sleep, or so I'm told by occasionally sober witnesses. I'm 69 next month, and looking forward to it.
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charlieg wrote:
completely private
That's going to be complicated, I think. Maybe you have to setup a discord channel ? On the other side, if you are as concerned as it seems, it may be a good idea to seek real help and not facts from a statistically biased population.
Difficult yes. But the only reason is I wanted to ask specific dietary questions - any maybe life things. And to keep it completely private. I'll search and see what I can find. I despise google - it's all ad's and lies. I was just shooting for some raw data from people like me. For example, I have often woken up in the dead of night knowing where the bug is. etc
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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If related to sleeping are you aware that you can go to a doctor and have a sleep study done? You will sleep (whatever that means for you) and they will analyze what is actually going on. Not to mention some other testing. I know someone that did that and then got a CPAP (google if you don't know) and went from sleeping maybe 2 hours a night for decades to actually sleeping 8 hours a night. But not necessarily a cure-all, since it doesn't work for everyone. But there are other solutions. And yes not sleeping often can impact other health conditions.
Agreed. The doctors and I are in a death struggle with my blood count (I am exceptionally anemic). We're making progress. I have my annual physical coming up in January so I'll bring it up.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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I'm 74, going on 75. Yes, there is maximum age discrimination in the industry. It is one of the things I have nightmares about. They don't wake me up, however. I go to bed around 10:30, and then have a set schedule to be awakened by my need to get up and go to the bathroom. Once at 12:30, and once around 3:30. My wife, like yours, falls asleep in a minute or so. She snores, sometimes so loudly, it wakes her up.
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snores - which can never be mentioned. ever :) I tried some sleep aid from Costco (mainly antihistamine if I recall correctly). Even less sleep and talk about getting wired.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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Last night to bed at 11 up at 3:30 Night before to bed at 10:30 up at 2 I'm 74 and have had sleeping problems for many years.
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charlieg wrote:
Is this an age thing?
Yes. Or at least probably depending on age.
charlieg wrote:
She's snoring within 5 minutes and has an internal alarm clock for 5am
People tend to think getting older means exactly the same thing for everyone. It doesn't. Sometimes older people sleep better than when they were young. Following seems like a good link A Good Night's Sleep | National Institute on Aging[^]
I'll read it. FWIW, I believe the beginning of wisdom is realizing you lack it and ask questions. Hence this thread.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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Am 58. Usually go to bed at around 11 pm. And get up around 5.30 am. No disturbance except for occasional not-so-good dreams. One important thing. All digital devices are shut down before retiring to bed. Especially the mobile phone will be set to airplane ✈️ mode at 11 pm everyday. Only at 5.30 am will it be brought back live. I feel this matters in our sleep cycle.
I always leave my phone downstairs. Always. My inlays (in laws, my laptop keyboard is dying) live 5 houses up the street, and if you think I or we have sleep problems, my MIL is legendary. My wife charges her phone next to the bed. The good thing is she has the latest iPhone and it radically dims the display at night. HOWEVER, she does get a number of butt dials and this launches the phone. I've found I'm very sensitive to light variations. Neither of us really sleep deep. Now before all of you noobs go bonkers, I've raised 11 children. You old timers already know this. So the wife and I are very sensitive to small sounds (like cracking diapers from toddlers roaming the halls).
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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Hehehe... I've been here more than 2 decades, and I still love it, even though my job no longer needs me to program. I go to bed between 10 PM and 4 AM, depending on absolutely nothing. If there's nothing interesting to do, it's early; if I'm engrossed in something, it's near dawn before I lay me down. Sometimes I wake in a couple of hours, sometimes it's hard to wake up. I have a bottle of scotch for that. I retired 7 years ago, then went back to work for twice the salary last May; it's fun! The Dr gave me Trazadone to help get to sleep; I rarely take one, and the effect only lasts a couple of hours. Of course, he prescribed a year supply, so I have enough to last several lifetimes. Regardless of when I get to sleep, most mornings I wake around 5 - 6 AM, then roll over and solve all the world's problems while I wait for the alarm to fire off. As for wives, I got over that expensive habit 35 years ago, and haven't met anyone worth the effort to settle down with since. Even if I did, she wouldn't last one night; I snore enough that no one but me is getting any sleep, or so I'm told by occasionally sober witnesses. I'm 69 next month, and looking forward to it.
Will Rogers never met me.
:) I tried the med thing - I wanted to jump out of my skin, or felt like I should. As for getting over the wife thing, yeah I have a keeper (if she'll keep me).
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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I've been on this site for nigh 2 decades. The honesty has always been concerning, refreshing and challenging. Many of us have been here so long, we are either reaching or have reached the end of our "careers" - whatever the hell that means. For me, my career has been running out of mouths to feed before running out of money. Setting humor aside... I'm 64. Here comes the question... How are you sleeping? I tend to crash around 10 or 11. But if I've been thinking about something, within a few hours I am wide awake. It's a little after 3am EST. Is this an age thing? Don't go medical on me - I'm just looking for general thoughts. I have a bottle of melatonin - meh. I tried a bottle of sleep aid from Costco (never again). This is border line (to be honest, probably well past) sleep disorder which is weird for me. Meanwhile, I hate my wife ;) She's snoring within 5 minutes and has an internal alarm clock for 5am...
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
all of you that have replied - I truly appreciate it. Sometimes, we get isolated and lean toward concluding that it's just our problem. Keep paddling.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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so you just suck it up and move on? I know my mom did.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
Getting old ain't for sissies!
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Difficult yes. But the only reason is I wanted to ask specific dietary questions - any maybe life things. And to keep it completely private. I'll search and see what I can find. I despise google - it's all ad's and lies. I was just shooting for some raw data from people like me. For example, I have often woken up in the dead of night knowing where the bug is. etc
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
charlieg wrote:
For example, I have often woken up in the dead of night knowing where the bug is. etc
That's been happening to me for over 40 years. Spend hours on a problem, eventually go to bed, wake up at 4AM having worked it out subconsciously... FYI, I'm 68. Often don't get to sleep until after 2AM. Usually set alarm for 7:30AM, but the cats sometimes pre-empt this often resulting in them getting shut out of the bedroom - they run downstairs thinking I've got up to feed them...
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Here's to Old Eddie, a timeless spirit in a world that sometimes forgets the value of experience! As the years add up like chapters in a well-worn book, your journey becomes a testament to resilience and wisdom. In an industry that may be obsessed with the new, you stand as a living testament to the richness that comes with age. Here's to the countless stories etched in the lines on your face, each one a treasure trove of lessons and laughter. May your days continue to be filled with the warmth of memories and the joy of knowing that every year adds a new layer to the masterpiece that is your life. Happy 74th, with anticipation for the adventures that 75 will undoubtedly bring! 🎉🥳 (thanks chap gpt)
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You're pretty cool yourself. :)
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I brew my own beer. Chemist. Turn water, sugar, yeast, hops, and grain into beer. Turn the beer into urine. Life is good. :)
>64 Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.
Separate the urine into water and urea. Use the water for the beer, and the urea as fertilizer for the grain. :)
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I've been on this site for nigh 2 decades. The honesty has always been concerning, refreshing and challenging. Many of us have been here so long, we are either reaching or have reached the end of our "careers" - whatever the hell that means. For me, my career has been running out of mouths to feed before running out of money. Setting humor aside... I'm 64. Here comes the question... How are you sleeping? I tend to crash around 10 or 11. But if I've been thinking about something, within a few hours I am wide awake. It's a little after 3am EST. Is this an age thing? Don't go medical on me - I'm just looking for general thoughts. I have a bottle of melatonin - meh. I tried a bottle of sleep aid from Costco (never again). This is border line (to be honest, probably well past) sleep disorder which is weird for me. Meanwhile, I hate my wife ;) She's snoring within 5 minutes and has an internal alarm clock for 5am...
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
Same happens here. I crash arount 10 PM, sleeping one cycle - about 1.5 hours, then awake for a cycle. Or two. But everything is OK if I can sleep till 7 AM. If I survive this 10 PM shutdown, I am up till ~ 1 AM, but then it is better not to sleep till 7 AM. Then 6 AM - 6:30 AM is the best. Force shutdown: Valeriana (Valeriana Officinalis + Passiflora Incarnata + Humulus Lupulus) Harmony capsule. According to my Honor Band 5, it significantly increases the amount of deep sleep, which translates to being more awaken next day.
