Delegates and I am so glad to leave MS behind
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I think you're not noticing that managed code, to the extent of .NET and maybe Java, (I don't know much about Java except that I hate eclipse,) was revolutionary. It dumbed down programming on a scale even greater than the effect Visual Basic had on Windows application programming.
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
Not sure how you can draw that conclusion based off an SGML example. While I do concur the "rise" of XML and .NET were around the same time, that example stands independent of .NET, so I'm not sure what I failed to notice given the concept has nothing to do with managed code in and of itself and more to do with junior programmers of any generation knowing little of the past.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Oh, and IMO it's a bit easier to do multithreaded work in C on Linux than Windows.
I love thread handling in C#. I can go high level and just let the framework do what it thinks it's best, or I can go low level and take complete control. And threads (aka async tasks) with awaits, while it can be a bit of a hurdle to sometimes realize what I did wrong and to how to break the chain of, oh, this method is now async, so the parent has to be async, oh wait, the grandparent now has to be async..., yeah, how to do deal with that takes some finesse, but I still love how C# implements the whole mess. ;)
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Jeremy Falcon
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Not sure how you can draw that conclusion based off an SGML example. While I do concur the "rise" of XML and .NET were around the same time, that example stands independent of .NET, so I'm not sure what I failed to notice given the concept has nothing to do with managed code in and of itself and more to do with junior programmers of any generation knowing little of the past.
Jeremy Falcon
I just wanted to say that. Nothing personal.
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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So, I read this article: Easily navigate code delegates while debugging - Visual Studio Blog[^] and I am so glad, I just don't give a flying f*** anymore. I started doing serious Windows development in 2003. I inherited a project that used ActiveX controls. Just local, no downloads - all embedded system work. I have to plow through the changing terminology of COM, DCOM, COM++, ActiveX, etc. After 3 years, I declared it utter bull****. MS renaming things just to rename things for marketing purposes. So, I read this devblog article, and though delegates are somewhat different than function pointers, its the same old bs from Microsoft renaming stuff. Worse, I suspect it made it into the C++ standard. I don't know about that, nor do I care. Starting next week, I'm moving to linux.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
I admit to having never developed anything in C# or anything else managed. I admit that the .net ecosystem is nice, but I just wish Microsoft would stop renaming stuff to make it look new. That was the gist of my rant. I've done a good bit of Unix development in the past - device drivers, graphics subsystems, applications, likely a few years before Linux became a twinkle in someone's eye. Tinkering, it's a bit of a shock to step back into that environment - much closer to the base system. I'm looking forward to relearning make files :).
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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I just wanted to say that. Nothing personal.
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
Fair enough. :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon
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I admit to having never developed anything in C# or anything else managed. I admit that the .net ecosystem is nice, but I just wish Microsoft would stop renaming stuff to make it look new. That was the gist of my rant. I've done a good bit of Unix development in the past - device drivers, graphics subsystems, applications, likely a few years before Linux became a twinkle in someone's eye. Tinkering, it's a bit of a shock to step back into that environment - much closer to the base system. I'm looking forward to relearning make files :).
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
To be honest, I'm floating the idea of switching to Linux for personal use. I make my living with Microsoft technologies, but for personal use, I'm considering what would be involved in switching. I'll be interested to see how you make out.
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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So, I read this article: Easily navigate code delegates while debugging - Visual Studio Blog[^] and I am so glad, I just don't give a flying f*** anymore. I started doing serious Windows development in 2003. I inherited a project that used ActiveX controls. Just local, no downloads - all embedded system work. I have to plow through the changing terminology of COM, DCOM, COM++, ActiveX, etc. After 3 years, I declared it utter bull****. MS renaming things just to rename things for marketing purposes. So, I read this devblog article, and though delegates are somewhat different than function pointers, its the same old bs from Microsoft renaming stuff. Worse, I suspect it made it into the C++ standard. I don't know about that, nor do I care. Starting next week, I'm moving to linux.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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So, I read this article: Easily navigate code delegates while debugging - Visual Studio Blog[^] and I am so glad, I just don't give a flying f*** anymore. I started doing serious Windows development in 2003. I inherited a project that used ActiveX controls. Just local, no downloads - all embedded system work. I have to plow through the changing terminology of COM, DCOM, COM++, ActiveX, etc. After 3 years, I declared it utter bull****. MS renaming things just to rename things for marketing purposes. So, I read this devblog article, and though delegates are somewhat different than function pointers, its the same old bs from Microsoft renaming stuff. Worse, I suspect it made it into the C++ standard. I don't know about that, nor do I care. Starting next week, I'm moving to linux.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
Another way to leave MS's work out of the loop: The Impossibly Fast C++ Delegates, Fixed[^]. CP for the win!
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I admit to having never developed anything in C# or anything else managed. I admit that the .net ecosystem is nice, but I just wish Microsoft would stop renaming stuff to make it look new. That was the gist of my rant. I've done a good bit of Unix development in the past - device drivers, graphics subsystems, applications, likely a few years before Linux became a twinkle in someone's eye. Tinkering, it's a bit of a shock to step back into that environment - much closer to the base system. I'm looking forward to relearning make files :).
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
I haven't developed in C# or anything managed either. Some things about C# are appealing, but it's not a fit for what I've focused on so far. Besides, you can't kiss all the girls. Renaming in large corporations sometimes occurs when a new group takes something over and rebrands it, even to the point of inventing new terminology. It's often at the behest of the new VP, much like an animal engaging in scent marking. My former boss described it as "Same lady, new dress." :-D I'd heard so many horror stories about makefiles that I kept delaying porting my code from Windows to Linux. And one day I discovered CMake, which even this dinosaur learned with relative ease. If it's a fit for what you doing (building a large C++ code base in my case), take a look at it.
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So, I read this article: Easily navigate code delegates while debugging - Visual Studio Blog[^] and I am so glad, I just don't give a flying f*** anymore. I started doing serious Windows development in 2003. I inherited a project that used ActiveX controls. Just local, no downloads - all embedded system work. I have to plow through the changing terminology of COM, DCOM, COM++, ActiveX, etc. After 3 years, I declared it utter bull****. MS renaming things just to rename things for marketing purposes. So, I read this devblog article, and though delegates are somewhat different than function pointers, its the same old bs from Microsoft renaming stuff. Worse, I suspect it made it into the C++ standard. I don't know about that, nor do I care. Starting next week, I'm moving to linux.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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I think Micro$oft's Delegate system to be quite hokey. Just give me regular function pointers to work with!
Exactly what I was thinking. But my C++ work tends to be relatively close to hardware with some desktop code mixed in, so I rarely if ever use the higher end stuff of C++. Need to read the next comment. :)
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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All my personal stuff ( a lot ) is on Linux
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My first plan is to see how much I can do on a raspberry pi. Plug in a 1TB usb drive, and I think it will do everything I need it to do.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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My first plan is to see how much I can do on a raspberry pi. Plug in a 1TB usb drive, and I think it will do everything I need it to do.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
Take a look at the new NVME hat for the 5. I am now also using macro pads on the Pi and Debian. Lazy man’s tool.
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So, I read this article: Easily navigate code delegates while debugging - Visual Studio Blog[^] and I am so glad, I just don't give a flying f*** anymore. I started doing serious Windows development in 2003. I inherited a project that used ActiveX controls. Just local, no downloads - all embedded system work. I have to plow through the changing terminology of COM, DCOM, COM++, ActiveX, etc. After 3 years, I declared it utter bull****. MS renaming things just to rename things for marketing purposes. So, I read this devblog article, and though delegates are somewhat different than function pointers, its the same old bs from Microsoft renaming stuff. Worse, I suspect it made it into the C++ standard. I don't know about that, nor do I care. Starting next week, I'm moving to linux.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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So, I read this article: Easily navigate code delegates while debugging - Visual Studio Blog[^] and I am so glad, I just don't give a flying f*** anymore. I started doing serious Windows development in 2003. I inherited a project that used ActiveX controls. Just local, no downloads - all embedded system work. I have to plow through the changing terminology of COM, DCOM, COM++, ActiveX, etc. After 3 years, I declared it utter bull****. MS renaming things just to rename things for marketing purposes. So, I read this devblog article, and though delegates are somewhat different than function pointers, its the same old bs from Microsoft renaming stuff. Worse, I suspect it made it into the C++ standard. I don't know about that, nor do I care. Starting next week, I'm moving to linux.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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To be honest, I'm floating the idea of switching to Linux for personal use. I make my living with Microsoft technologies, but for personal use, I'm considering what would be involved in switching. I'll be interested to see how you make out.
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
Richard Andrew x64 wrote:
I'm floating the idea of switching to Linux for personal use. I make my living with Microsoft technologies
I'm in the same boat. Can't abandon MS because of work (I've always worked for full-on MS shops), but given where MS is clearly headed, I'd rather not follow. I like tinkering with Linux in a VM, and have an old laptop or two running it directly on the hardware, but dedicating myself to it would be a tough transition.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Oh, and IMO it's a bit easier to do multithreaded work in C on Linux than Windows.
I love thread handling in C#. I can go high level and just let the framework do what it thinks it's best, or I can go low level and take complete control. And threads (aka async tasks) with awaits, while it can be a bit of a hurdle to sometimes realize what I did wrong and to how to break the chain of, oh, this method is now async, so the parent has to be async, oh wait, the grandparent now has to be async..., yeah, how to do deal with that takes some finesse, but I still love how C# implements the whole mess. ;)
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this method is now async, so the parent has to be async, oh wait, the grandparent now has to be async...
So much this. One of these days I'll have to actually sit down and take the time to study this and try to understand, once and for all, how to avoid getting yourself in that situation. Because right now I find myself avoiding using async/await because I see it as having to "retroactively pollute the entire codebase". And that can't be right, that *has* to be just me misunderstanding and misusing it.
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I think Micro$oft's Delegate system to be quite hokey. Just give me regular function pointers to work with!
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How 1990's of you. Coming straight for Slashdot? (Sorry, it's just a pet peeve of mine. My perspective is, get over it, everybody does what they do for $ and if you're not, you're either lying or I don't know what part of the world you're from where everything is free).
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Not sure how you can draw that conclusion based off an SGML example. While I do concur the "rise" of XML and .NET were around the same time, that example stands independent of .NET, so I'm not sure what I failed to notice given the concept has nothing to do with managed code in and of itself and more to do with junior programmers of any generation knowing little of the past.
Jeremy Falcon
We just happened to be scaling more in the time of .NET. I don't think anything will ever dethrone VB/Office dev as making dev simpler, save maybe new AI things that don't yet exist but harken back to those "design by wizard" but with way way better wizards.
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I do have to admit man, while I've done very, very, very little multi-threading in C#, from what I've seen it does make it nice. More recent versions of C++ do as well.
Jeremy Falcon
