The future of CodeProject
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Joaquín M López Muñoz wrote: Remember what happened to CG? No, what? BTW where is he, he is barely on CP anymore? -Nick Parker
:) Sorry, I was referring to CodeGuru. As for Christian Grauss, I guess he's still around, though possibly less so that in the past. He recently wrote some nice contributions to Windevnet.com, maybe this kind of stuff is taking his time. Joaquín M López Muñoz Telefónica, Investigación y Desarrollo
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Check out TechRepublic[^] for such a system. There is a programming board in the Technical Questions section, but it gets very little attention. One problem I've discovered with it is that people tend to answer questions that have high point values, and the average valued items get ignored. This makes it really tough on newbies who haven't accumulated high point balances and can't afford to post high valued questions. I've noted, too, that the quality of answers has diminished greatly in the past few years, which leads me to believe that a lot of the really sharp contributors may have already moved on. I'd hate to see the same happen here.:(
"The Lion shall lie down with the Lamb;
but the Lamb will not get much sleep..."
Lazarus LongWhat annoys me is the lack of appreciation folks get that help out on the message boards. It is amazing what a difference a simple thank you makes. From time to time I get quite put out by this and back off from helping people. Rant over. Neville Franks, Author of ED for Windows. Free Trial at www.getsoft.com
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I personally love this site and would like to see it grow even more. The community that developed around it is great. CodeProject already has a respectable number of members 472995, although not all participate actively and some are just one time stoppers. The ratio of articles to members is less than one percent. Although some of the articles are questionable, I think a large number of them are medium to high quality articles. Also,I think I speak for all when I say that CodeProject has been a great help in improving our skills and learning new things. But as with all things, there is allways room for improvement. How can CodeProject grow both in quality and in numbers? How do you imagine Codeproject 5 years from now? What is our role, as members of this community, in the growth of CodeProject?
Before people had to join to download stuff, the membership was 20% of what it is now. The numbers are now inflated by people who came once to download something and never came back. The growth in numbers has created a growth in the number of really bad articles, although there are still excellent articles written, as there always have been. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
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There is one thing that I hope CP will have in the future. It is a system where people can work for some hours solving other CP members problems and then get credits in form of points that can be used as a currency. jhaga --------------------------------- I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life, and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived. If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau, Walden, Conclusion, 1854
jhaga wrote: There is one thing that I hope CP will have in the future. It is a system where people can work for some hours solving other CP members problems and then get credits in form of points that can be used as a currency. I could be way off base here but I think that this suggestion would begin the decline of CP as being such a great site. Right now you can post a question and people, good people, decent people will help you solve your problems (they will possibly have a little fun with you and eat you alive for using <> instead of !=) :-D and be happy to just do it. If CP starts offering points for solving peoples problems all the wrong crowd might possibly appear here like STINK ON _ _ _ _. It does not take a genius to figure out who the active helpers are in each forum. I think it would be more appropriate to RANDOMLY reward those who actively help and make a positive contribution to that end. You never know at all when your time will come but when it comes you can enjoy whatever it is that CP sends your way. I also think that Chris is very aware of the dangers that come from sponsorship and that he has sponsor relationships well in control. There are many of you who would see the trouble coming before it ever got here and I trust you might let other people know your thoughts quite quickly. Chris is the creator/founder but if he morphs this place into something people don't like I think they will 'let him have it' for doing so. CP has a natural rythym. It has it's own pulse. We have a great mix of people here, all of whom want to be here. We have are very own trollslayer and a good crew of clickety police. This place is growing slowly and it will gradually expand to include a lot of other cool stuff. Let's not force it. Let's see where it goes and enjoy the ride. Right now CP is mellow and nice and that's ok. Quite frankly I am not missing anything when I come here. This place has what I need and if I have an itch for something particular Google will hook me up with a few clicks.
"Back to school, back to school; to prove to dad I'm not a fool." - Billy Madison (Adam Sandler) Rex Winn
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Check out TechRepublic[^] for such a system. There is a programming board in the Technical Questions section, but it gets very little attention. One problem I've discovered with it is that people tend to answer questions that have high point values, and the average valued items get ignored. This makes it really tough on newbies who haven't accumulated high point balances and can't afford to post high valued questions. I've noted, too, that the quality of answers has diminished greatly in the past few years, which leads me to believe that a lot of the really sharp contributors may have already moved on. I'd hate to see the same happen here.:(
"The Lion shall lie down with the Lamb;
but the Lamb will not get much sleep..."
Lazarus LongAnswering a question should not give any points but if an answer includes alot of coding then some system that would motivate people would be good. As the system is now, anybody that wants to do alot of programming can join a CPP project, and people with just a little time can give an answer in some of the message boards. But we don't have anything that would be somewhere between these two, something that would cover some hours or days of work. jhaga --------------------------------- I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life, and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived. If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau, Walden, Conclusion, 1854
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:) Sorry, I was referring to CodeGuru. As for Christian Grauss, I guess he's still around, though possibly less so that in the past. He recently wrote some nice contributions to Windevnet.com, maybe this kind of stuff is taking his time. Joaquín M López Muñoz Telefónica, Investigación y Desarrollo
*grin* When I first read your post above, I thought the same, then worked out you meant Code Guru. When I saw your comment about windevnet, I wondered what you meant - of course it was my last round of articles for WDJ. I'm still waiting for my Dr. Dobbs articles to surface, but I'm not holding my breath any longer. The truth is that life is just so busy for me now. We've just bought 5 acres ( 2 hectares ) of land, and we're in the process of moving, and then we'll be in the process of turning 5 acres of grass into a minifarm ( fruit trees, vegetable garden, chickens, I'm hoping a cow ). I also spent the last six months programming for Palm, and while I wrote a few articles, in the end I just sort of drifted away from CP because I was in another sphere. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
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The most significant threat to the future of CP is IMHO the site being taken over by MS via sponsoring and things like that. Remember what happened to CG? It takes little to notice that CP is a primary technology observatory for corporations, MS ranking first among these. Call it paranoia, but I strongly suspect MS knows promoting interest in say C# among CP regulars will catalyze adoption of this language by the entire developers community. Balancing independence and the unavoidable need for financial aid is a subtle art, which I'm sure Chris practices with extreme wisdom. Joaquín M López Muñoz Telefónica, Investigación y Desarrollo
Interesting point. I sincerely hope that independence, not only from MS but also from other companies, can be maintained. I agree that some CP regulars are strong opinion makers in the community. That can be a good thing, as long as an unbiased an plural culture can be maintained at CodeProject.
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Answering a question should not give any points but if an answer includes alot of coding then some system that would motivate people would be good. As the system is now, anybody that wants to do alot of programming can join a CPP project, and people with just a little time can give an answer in some of the message boards. But we don't have anything that would be somewhere between these two, something that would cover some hours or days of work. jhaga --------------------------------- I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life, and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived. If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau, Walden, Conclusion, 1854
The point/currency system would be the begining of the end of CodeProject. It would atract the wrong people and it would polute the forums with low quality answers from those eager to get points. It would also raise the barrier for those newbies with few points.
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The most significant threat to the future of CP is IMHO the site being taken over by MS via sponsoring and things like that. Remember what happened to CG? It takes little to notice that CP is a primary technology observatory for corporations, MS ranking first among these. Call it paranoia, but I strongly suspect MS knows promoting interest in say C# among CP regulars will catalyze adoption of this language by the entire developers community. Balancing independence and the unavoidable need for financial aid is a subtle art, which I'm sure Chris practices with extreme wisdom. Joaquín M López Muñoz Telefónica, Investigación y Desarrollo
Unfortunately, there's absolutely nothing any of us can do at our level to keep that from happening. All we can do on our end is to continue to support the site - by word of mouth, visiting and contributing via articles and $ - and hope that Dundas never relinquishes control of the site. Cheers, Tom Archer Inside C#,
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jhaga wrote: There is one thing that I hope CP will have in the future. It is a system where people can work for some hours solving other CP members problems and then get credits in form of points that can be used as a currency. I could be way off base here but I think that this suggestion would begin the decline of CP as being such a great site. Right now you can post a question and people, good people, decent people will help you solve your problems (they will possibly have a little fun with you and eat you alive for using <> instead of !=) :-D and be happy to just do it. If CP starts offering points for solving peoples problems all the wrong crowd might possibly appear here like STINK ON _ _ _ _. It does not take a genius to figure out who the active helpers are in each forum. I think it would be more appropriate to RANDOMLY reward those who actively help and make a positive contribution to that end. You never know at all when your time will come but when it comes you can enjoy whatever it is that CP sends your way. I also think that Chris is very aware of the dangers that come from sponsorship and that he has sponsor relationships well in control. There are many of you who would see the trouble coming before it ever got here and I trust you might let other people know your thoughts quite quickly. Chris is the creator/founder but if he morphs this place into something people don't like I think they will 'let him have it' for doing so. CP has a natural rythym. It has it's own pulse. We have a great mix of people here, all of whom want to be here. We have are very own trollslayer and a good crew of clickety police. This place is growing slowly and it will gradually expand to include a lot of other cool stuff. Let's not force it. Let's see where it goes and enjoy the ride. Right now CP is mellow and nice and that's ok. Quite frankly I am not missing anything when I come here. This place has what I need and if I have an itch for something particular Google will hook me up with a few clicks.
"Back to school, back to school; to prove to dad I'm not a fool." - Billy Madison (Adam Sandler) Rex Winn
I totally agree with you on the points/credits issue. As to the evolution of CodeProject, I agree change can not be forced upon, but I also think that CPians have a serious role to play in improving the site and maintaining the quality of the content (call me an idealist if you want).
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The point/currency system would be the begining of the end of CodeProject. It would atract the wrong people and it would polute the forums with low quality answers from those eager to get points. It would also raise the barrier for those newbies with few points.
I have not suggested a point/currency system for answers. I suggested it for extra WORK as a way to get paid instead of money. jhaga --------------------------------- I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life, and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived. If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau, Walden, Conclusion, 1854
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Before people had to join to download stuff, the membership was 20% of what it is now. The numbers are now inflated by people who came once to download something and never came back. The growth in numbers has created a growth in the number of really bad articles, although there are still excellent articles written, as there always have been. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
Christian Graus wrote: The numbers are now inflated by people who came once to download something and never came back Why not make membership permanent only after a given number of articles or messages. After a few months those who did not meet the requirement would be deleted from the members database. That way membership numbers would be more accurate.
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Christian Graus wrote: The numbers are now inflated by people who came once to download something and never came back Why not make membership permanent only after a given number of articles or messages. After a few months those who did not meet the requirement would be deleted from the members database. That way membership numbers would be more accurate.
Because big membership numbers look good to potential advertisers. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
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Because big membership numbers look good to potential advertisers. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
Good point:-D. As a side note I would like to congratulate you for the great series of articles about image processing. And don't abandon us completly. Keep those contributions coming, be it in the form of messages or aticles, even if it is only once every six months. :)
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Good point:-D. As a side note I would like to congratulate you for the great series of articles about image processing. And don't abandon us completly. Keep those contributions coming, be it in the form of messages or aticles, even if it is only once every six months. :)
Thanks for the compliment. Yeah, I'd love to write some more articles, truth is, I have no idea what to write about. As an exercise, I'm going to write a guest book in ASP.NET, which I intend to be really, really cool ( not just a lame 2 evenings work guest book ). I hope I'll learn enough to have some things to write about, and to make the end product an article in it's own right. But for now, I need to find the time to write it.... Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
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Good point:-D. As a side note I would like to congratulate you for the great series of articles about image processing. And don't abandon us completly. Keep those contributions coming, be it in the form of messages or aticles, even if it is only once every six months. :)
apferreira wrote: I would like to congratulate you for the great series of articles about image processing. I'll second that. :)
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
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What annoys me is the lack of appreciation folks get that help out on the message boards. It is amazing what a difference a simple thank you makes. From time to time I get quite put out by this and back off from helping people. Rant over. Neville Franks, Author of ED for Windows. Free Trial at www.getsoft.com
Neville Franks wrote: What annoys me is the lack of appreciation folks get that help out on the message boards. Absolutely. I see the same thing over and over again :(
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
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Neville Franks wrote: What annoys me is the lack of appreciation folks get that help out on the message boards. Absolutely. I see the same thing over and over again :(
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
I help in the C# and VB forums, and I sometimes get thank-you's, but yes, still I agree - many people, including you, don't get the appreciation they deserve for their help.
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
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I personally love this site and would like to see it grow even more. The community that developed around it is great. CodeProject already has a respectable number of members 472995, although not all participate actively and some are just one time stoppers. The ratio of articles to members is less than one percent. Although some of the articles are questionable, I think a large number of them are medium to high quality articles. Also,I think I speak for all when I say that CodeProject has been a great help in improving our skills and learning new things. But as with all things, there is allways room for improvement. How can CodeProject grow both in quality and in numbers? How do you imagine Codeproject 5 years from now? What is our role, as members of this community, in the growth of CodeProject?
apferreira wrote: But as with all things, there is allways room for improvement. How can CodeProject grow both in quality and in numbers? How do you imagine Codeproject 5 years from now? What is our role, as members of this community, in the growth of CodeProject? As I see it, this is a two part question. The first part is an implicit assumption that there's something wrong that needs to be fixed now. You mention quality along with growth, and the future, so I would assume that you want to discuss areas in which CP's current implementation may not sustain quality as it continues to grow in the future. So, in response, I'm curious as to what you mean by quality, and can you identify areas in the existing implementation that may compromise your concept of quality as CP experiences growth. Also, it's easy to say there's always room for improvement, but that begs the question, "what improvement do you suggest?" This is a pandora's box, because one person's concept of an improvement is another person's concept of a degredation in quality. The second phase is sort of like the first phase, but instead of identifying something wrong with CP's current approach, one can assume that everything for the moment is perfect, but that planning is needed to maintain the same level of perceived quality in the future. (To say that we want to exceed the current quality goes against the premise and reverts back to the first part of the question, which implies that there is something that can be improved now). So, again the question is, where do you perceive the computing community moving in the next 5 years, what technologies do you see evolving, and probably most relevant, what changes in Internet access do you see occurring? All of these are areas that require a crystal ball for appropriate planning, the goal of which is to maintain the same level of perceived quality. As an aside, I think it can be argued as to whether or not the perception of quality is enhanced when features are added that take advantage of new technologies, or if the perception of quality simply remains the same because it is expected that these enhancements are made, and the perception would degrade if the enhancements were not made. As a second aside, as a system matures it transitions from "new features" to "feature servicing". Where do you think CP is right now on that bar? Are there more features to be added or enhancements to existing features? And lastly, all things have a life cycle. Whi
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What I'd like to see? Besides the "when clicking link [^] in the editor, select the innerHTML, not the entire link" feature? As an "oldtimer", I must say, my first thought is conservation. Making sure CP doesn't go down the drain. We've all seen great sites and other new-technology-thingies diminish into commercial crap or nonexistance, and sadly, I've been "emotionally attached" to a few the same way I'm attached to CP. Community Feeling not swept away, the ever-increasing number of articles remaining valuable and findable (the latter becoming more difficult). You young paulish whippersnappers might need to sooth my philodrainophobia a bit when I get to intense Besides that? Maybe the Codeproject Projects evolves into a true online project development community - not just the "we are the tools" of SourceForge, but something with a distinct Windows and CodProject stint.
"Der Geist des Kriegers ist erwacht / Ich hab die Macht" StS
sighist | Agile Programming | doxygenpeterchen wrote: What I'd like to see? Besides the "when clicking link [^] in the editor, select the innerHTML, not the entire link" feature? I would hope that no more programing questions comes into the lounge! :-D Weiye, Chen When pursuing your dreams, don't forget to enjoy your life...