The future of CodeProject
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jhaga wrote: There is one thing that I hope CP will have in the future. It is a system where people can work for some hours solving other CP members problems and then get credits in form of points that can be used as a currency. I could be way off base here but I think that this suggestion would begin the decline of CP as being such a great site. Right now you can post a question and people, good people, decent people will help you solve your problems (they will possibly have a little fun with you and eat you alive for using <> instead of !=) :-D and be happy to just do it. If CP starts offering points for solving peoples problems all the wrong crowd might possibly appear here like STINK ON _ _ _ _. It does not take a genius to figure out who the active helpers are in each forum. I think it would be more appropriate to RANDOMLY reward those who actively help and make a positive contribution to that end. You never know at all when your time will come but when it comes you can enjoy whatever it is that CP sends your way. I also think that Chris is very aware of the dangers that come from sponsorship and that he has sponsor relationships well in control. There are many of you who would see the trouble coming before it ever got here and I trust you might let other people know your thoughts quite quickly. Chris is the creator/founder but if he morphs this place into something people don't like I think they will 'let him have it' for doing so. CP has a natural rythym. It has it's own pulse. We have a great mix of people here, all of whom want to be here. We have are very own trollslayer and a good crew of clickety police. This place is growing slowly and it will gradually expand to include a lot of other cool stuff. Let's not force it. Let's see where it goes and enjoy the ride. Right now CP is mellow and nice and that's ok. Quite frankly I am not missing anything when I come here. This place has what I need and if I have an itch for something particular Google will hook me up with a few clicks.
"Back to school, back to school; to prove to dad I'm not a fool." - Billy Madison (Adam Sandler) Rex Winn
I totally agree with you on the points/credits issue. As to the evolution of CodeProject, I agree change can not be forced upon, but I also think that CPians have a serious role to play in improving the site and maintaining the quality of the content (call me an idealist if you want).
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The point/currency system would be the begining of the end of CodeProject. It would atract the wrong people and it would polute the forums with low quality answers from those eager to get points. It would also raise the barrier for those newbies with few points.
I have not suggested a point/currency system for answers. I suggested it for extra WORK as a way to get paid instead of money. jhaga --------------------------------- I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life, and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived. If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau, Walden, Conclusion, 1854
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Before people had to join to download stuff, the membership was 20% of what it is now. The numbers are now inflated by people who came once to download something and never came back. The growth in numbers has created a growth in the number of really bad articles, although there are still excellent articles written, as there always have been. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
Christian Graus wrote: The numbers are now inflated by people who came once to download something and never came back Why not make membership permanent only after a given number of articles or messages. After a few months those who did not meet the requirement would be deleted from the members database. That way membership numbers would be more accurate.
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Christian Graus wrote: The numbers are now inflated by people who came once to download something and never came back Why not make membership permanent only after a given number of articles or messages. After a few months those who did not meet the requirement would be deleted from the members database. That way membership numbers would be more accurate.
Because big membership numbers look good to potential advertisers. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
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Because big membership numbers look good to potential advertisers. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
Good point:-D. As a side note I would like to congratulate you for the great series of articles about image processing. And don't abandon us completly. Keep those contributions coming, be it in the form of messages or aticles, even if it is only once every six months. :)
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Good point:-D. As a side note I would like to congratulate you for the great series of articles about image processing. And don't abandon us completly. Keep those contributions coming, be it in the form of messages or aticles, even if it is only once every six months. :)
Thanks for the compliment. Yeah, I'd love to write some more articles, truth is, I have no idea what to write about. As an exercise, I'm going to write a guest book in ASP.NET, which I intend to be really, really cool ( not just a lame 2 evenings work guest book ). I hope I'll learn enough to have some things to write about, and to make the end product an article in it's own right. But for now, I need to find the time to write it.... Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
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Good point:-D. As a side note I would like to congratulate you for the great series of articles about image processing. And don't abandon us completly. Keep those contributions coming, be it in the form of messages or aticles, even if it is only once every six months. :)
apferreira wrote: I would like to congratulate you for the great series of articles about image processing. I'll second that. :)
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What annoys me is the lack of appreciation folks get that help out on the message boards. It is amazing what a difference a simple thank you makes. From time to time I get quite put out by this and back off from helping people. Rant over. Neville Franks, Author of ED for Windows. Free Trial at www.getsoft.com
Neville Franks wrote: What annoys me is the lack of appreciation folks get that help out on the message boards. Absolutely. I see the same thing over and over again :(
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
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Neville Franks wrote: What annoys me is the lack of appreciation folks get that help out on the message boards. Absolutely. I see the same thing over and over again :(
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
I help in the C# and VB forums, and I sometimes get thank-you's, but yes, still I agree - many people, including you, don't get the appreciation they deserve for their help.
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I personally love this site and would like to see it grow even more. The community that developed around it is great. CodeProject already has a respectable number of members 472995, although not all participate actively and some are just one time stoppers. The ratio of articles to members is less than one percent. Although some of the articles are questionable, I think a large number of them are medium to high quality articles. Also,I think I speak for all when I say that CodeProject has been a great help in improving our skills and learning new things. But as with all things, there is allways room for improvement. How can CodeProject grow both in quality and in numbers? How do you imagine Codeproject 5 years from now? What is our role, as members of this community, in the growth of CodeProject?
apferreira wrote: But as with all things, there is allways room for improvement. How can CodeProject grow both in quality and in numbers? How do you imagine Codeproject 5 years from now? What is our role, as members of this community, in the growth of CodeProject? As I see it, this is a two part question. The first part is an implicit assumption that there's something wrong that needs to be fixed now. You mention quality along with growth, and the future, so I would assume that you want to discuss areas in which CP's current implementation may not sustain quality as it continues to grow in the future. So, in response, I'm curious as to what you mean by quality, and can you identify areas in the existing implementation that may compromise your concept of quality as CP experiences growth. Also, it's easy to say there's always room for improvement, but that begs the question, "what improvement do you suggest?" This is a pandora's box, because one person's concept of an improvement is another person's concept of a degredation in quality. The second phase is sort of like the first phase, but instead of identifying something wrong with CP's current approach, one can assume that everything for the moment is perfect, but that planning is needed to maintain the same level of perceived quality in the future. (To say that we want to exceed the current quality goes against the premise and reverts back to the first part of the question, which implies that there is something that can be improved now). So, again the question is, where do you perceive the computing community moving in the next 5 years, what technologies do you see evolving, and probably most relevant, what changes in Internet access do you see occurring? All of these are areas that require a crystal ball for appropriate planning, the goal of which is to maintain the same level of perceived quality. As an aside, I think it can be argued as to whether or not the perception of quality is enhanced when features are added that take advantage of new technologies, or if the perception of quality simply remains the same because it is expected that these enhancements are made, and the perception would degrade if the enhancements were not made. As a second aside, as a system matures it transitions from "new features" to "feature servicing". Where do you think CP is right now on that bar? Are there more features to be added or enhancements to existing features? And lastly, all things have a life cycle. Whi
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What I'd like to see? Besides the "when clicking link [^] in the editor, select the innerHTML, not the entire link" feature? As an "oldtimer", I must say, my first thought is conservation. Making sure CP doesn't go down the drain. We've all seen great sites and other new-technology-thingies diminish into commercial crap or nonexistance, and sadly, I've been "emotionally attached" to a few the same way I'm attached to CP. Community Feeling not swept away, the ever-increasing number of articles remaining valuable and findable (the latter becoming more difficult). You young paulish whippersnappers might need to sooth my philodrainophobia a bit when I get to intense Besides that? Maybe the Codeproject Projects evolves into a true online project development community - not just the "we are the tools" of SourceForge, but something with a distinct Windows and CodProject stint.
"Der Geist des Kriegers ist erwacht / Ich hab die Macht" StS
sighist | Agile Programming | doxygenpeterchen wrote: What I'd like to see? Besides the "when clicking link [^] in the editor, select the innerHTML, not the entire link" feature? I would hope that no more programing questions comes into the lounge! :-D Weiye, Chen When pursuing your dreams, don't forget to enjoy your life...
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What I'd like to see? Besides the "when clicking link [^] in the editor, select the innerHTML, not the entire link" feature? As an "oldtimer", I must say, my first thought is conservation. Making sure CP doesn't go down the drain. We've all seen great sites and other new-technology-thingies diminish into commercial crap or nonexistance, and sadly, I've been "emotionally attached" to a few the same way I'm attached to CP. Community Feeling not swept away, the ever-increasing number of articles remaining valuable and findable (the latter becoming more difficult). You young paulish whippersnappers might need to sooth my philodrainophobia a bit when I get to intense Besides that? Maybe the Codeproject Projects evolves into a true online project development community - not just the "we are the tools" of SourceForge, but something with a distinct Windows and CodProject stint.
"Der Geist des Kriegers ist erwacht / Ich hab die Macht" StS
sighist | Agile Programming | doxygenpeterchen wrote: the ever-increasing number of articles remaining valuable and findable (the latter becoming more difficult). I don't know if this is already how it works, but wouldn't it be good to search the site based on article keywords and with the highest rated article showing first? Maybe even the highest rated author (based on the user level).
I bleed orange.
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*grin* When I first read your post above, I thought the same, then worked out you meant Code Guru. When I saw your comment about windevnet, I wondered what you meant - of course it was my last round of articles for WDJ. I'm still waiting for my Dr. Dobbs articles to surface, but I'm not holding my breath any longer. The truth is that life is just so busy for me now. We've just bought 5 acres ( 2 hectares ) of land, and we're in the process of moving, and then we'll be in the process of turning 5 acres of grass into a minifarm ( fruit trees, vegetable garden, chickens, I'm hoping a cow ). I also spent the last six months programming for Palm, and while I wrote a few articles, in the end I just sort of drifted away from CP because I was in another sphere. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
Christian Graus wrote: We've just bought 5 acres ( 2 hectares ) of land Wow, thats very cool, any pictures :-) How far is this place from your work. Kannan
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Christian Graus wrote: We've just bought 5 acres ( 2 hectares ) of land Wow, thats very cool, any pictures :-) How far is this place from your work. Kannan
It's about 20 minutes from work, and I'll try to get some pictures up tonight :-) Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
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:) Sorry, I was referring to CodeGuru. As for Christian Grauss, I guess he's still around, though possibly less so that in the past. He recently wrote some nice contributions to Windevnet.com, maybe this kind of stuff is taking his time. Joaquín M López Muñoz Telefónica, Investigación y Desarrollo
Gotcha. ;) -Nick Parker
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*grin* When I first read your post above, I thought the same, then worked out you meant Code Guru. When I saw your comment about windevnet, I wondered what you meant - of course it was my last round of articles for WDJ. I'm still waiting for my Dr. Dobbs articles to surface, but I'm not holding my breath any longer. The truth is that life is just so busy for me now. We've just bought 5 acres ( 2 hectares ) of land, and we're in the process of moving, and then we'll be in the process of turning 5 acres of grass into a minifarm ( fruit trees, vegetable garden, chickens, I'm hoping a cow ). I also spent the last six months programming for Palm, and while I wrote a few articles, in the end I just sort of drifted away from CP because I was in another sphere. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
Christian Graus wrote: We've just bought 5 acres ( 2 hectares ) of land, and we're in the process of moving, and then we'll be in the process of turning 5 acres of grass into a minifarm ( fruit trees, vegetable garden, chickens, I'm hoping a cow ). Nice! Will it be organic? I have a backyard garden that's a lush as a jungle, but it's not very big.
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi -
Christian Graus wrote: We've just bought 5 acres ( 2 hectares ) of land, and we're in the process of moving, and then we'll be in the process of turning 5 acres of grass into a minifarm ( fruit trees, vegetable garden, chickens, I'm hoping a cow ). Nice! Will it be organic? I have a backyard garden that's a lush as a jungle, but it's not very big.
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhijdunlap wrote: Will it be organic? By definition :-) Do you mean will it be chemical free ? My family will be eating the produce, so that would be a big 'yes'. I'd rather lose a percentage to pests than eat poisons. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
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jdunlap wrote: Will it be organic? By definition :-) Do you mean will it be chemical free ? My family will be eating the produce, so that would be a big 'yes'. I'd rather lose a percentage to pests than eat poisons. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
Christian Graus wrote: I'd rather lose a percentage to pests than eat poisons. Same here. We grow all kinds of stuff from peppers to passion fruit. But the tomatoes are the biggest yielders - we have 'way too many to eat, so we're going to give some away. But most of the neighbors we've asked say they have too many, too.
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi -
I personally love this site and would like to see it grow even more. The community that developed around it is great. CodeProject already has a respectable number of members 472995, although not all participate actively and some are just one time stoppers. The ratio of articles to members is less than one percent. Although some of the articles are questionable, I think a large number of them are medium to high quality articles. Also,I think I speak for all when I say that CodeProject has been a great help in improving our skills and learning new things. But as with all things, there is allways room for improvement. How can CodeProject grow both in quality and in numbers? How do you imagine Codeproject 5 years from now? What is our role, as members of this community, in the growth of CodeProject?
I always have a fear that what happned to CodeGuru would happen to CP but I doubt that. For those that have not been around it appeared that CodeGuru was sold off to make money. It grew to the point it was a valuable resource and then sold. First though it was abused with tons of ads from (I believe) DoubleClick and then finally sold. CP seems to be doing fine and has a good future ahead of it. I know Chris will continue to provide great services for the developer community and make CP the central developer site. Would be interesting to get the membership numbers in tune with what the real developer population on CP. The forcing of memberships to download code was a bad idea to me, it did nothing but artificialy increase the membership number, I never pay any attention to that number anymore since it has no value. Would be interesting if that requirement for membership was dropped and then have your account automatically deleted after say three months of not being used. That number surely would drop. But this may be for marketing to make the site appear larger to draw higher paid sponsors. That is fine with me. A feature I would like to see some kind of localizing developer communities. I am thinking of a method to get developers in their local communities together or some form of networking on a local level. When I refer to local, I mean by a single metro area or say a hundred mile radius. May not be a simple answer to this but would be great to network on a local level via CP. Another feature that might have some power would be a subscription membership area for enhanced services. Possible video tutorials, detailed study materials, code libraries that are only available to members, etc. Then the developers who produce the materials and services could get a portion of the membership revenue. Of course CP would get a big chunk of it for providing the service. Anyway, If CP continues on just like it is that is fine with me. I do not care if every add on the site was from Microsoft or not. I am not a hypocrite when it comes to developement, I work with Microsoft technologies and the company is fine with me. If I did not like Microsoft, I would not us their technology (including their OS). Plus, if MS owned every ad on CP, the site would surely have a lot of revenue ;) Rocky Moore <><
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I totally agree with you on the points/credits issue. As to the evolution of CodeProject, I agree change can not be forced upon, but I also think that CPians have a serious role to play in improving the site and maintaining the quality of the content (call me an idealist if you want).
DISCLAIMER: If any part of this reply angers anyone please give me a chance to explain before flaming. :omg: apferreira wrote: call me an idealist if you want I'm not going to call you names. Nobody benefits.:cool: apferreira wrote: I also think that CPians have a serious role to play in improving the site... I don't think we are saving lives here so I personally would moderate the "serious role":eek:. As far as improving the site goes. For me at least I am fine to let Chris and his associates make those calls. I think that Chris has some outstanding and very bright people helping him with this site I also believe that he has great vision as evidenced by where it is today. I am quite comfortable to email my suggestions for improving the site to Chris and letting him seek his own input on any suggestions that are worth while in his mind. Problem is at this point I don't have any. CP is like that totally broke-in pair of jeans. They just fit and you don't have to screw with them. (My Opinion only, vote if you agree.) ;) I think this discussion could easily take on religios proportions and I am not one bit interested in that. I am going to mosey along now and see what else is cooking in other parts of this great site. The last think I personally want to say is to respond to "less than 1% of current attendance" is writing articles" crapola. If CP was just about writing articles let's change the whole look and feel and dump the forums completely. A lot of people, myself included, come here for the outstanding articles. We hit are favorite forums and we surf around and take in the scenery. Not everyone has the gift of writing or teaching. If you think that quality is bad with less than 1% contributing, wait and see how it gets if you somehow try to force/encourage/entice the other 99% or a fraction thereof to submit articles. As I said before, CP has it's own pulse, a healthy one. From what I can see this site is in no danger of dying soon. Comparing it to other sites has always struck me as interesting. The World-Wide-Web is only a click away. If some other site has your magic trinket then give it a book mark and go there as needed. Throw a suggestion Chris's way using the "suggestions" forum http://www.codeproject.com/script/comments/forums.asp?forumid=1645[