The future of CodeProject
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I personally love this site and would like to see it grow even more. The community that developed around it is great. CodeProject already has a respectable number of members 472995, although not all participate actively and some are just one time stoppers. The ratio of articles to members is less than one percent. Although some of the articles are questionable, I think a large number of them are medium to high quality articles. Also,I think I speak for all when I say that CodeProject has been a great help in improving our skills and learning new things. But as with all things, there is allways room for improvement. How can CodeProject grow both in quality and in numbers? How do you imagine Codeproject 5 years from now? What is our role, as members of this community, in the growth of CodeProject?
apferreira wrote: But as with all things, there is allways room for improvement. How can CodeProject grow both in quality and in numbers? How do you imagine Codeproject 5 years from now? What is our role, as members of this community, in the growth of CodeProject? As I see it, this is a two part question. The first part is an implicit assumption that there's something wrong that needs to be fixed now. You mention quality along with growth, and the future, so I would assume that you want to discuss areas in which CP's current implementation may not sustain quality as it continues to grow in the future. So, in response, I'm curious as to what you mean by quality, and can you identify areas in the existing implementation that may compromise your concept of quality as CP experiences growth. Also, it's easy to say there's always room for improvement, but that begs the question, "what improvement do you suggest?" This is a pandora's box, because one person's concept of an improvement is another person's concept of a degredation in quality. The second phase is sort of like the first phase, but instead of identifying something wrong with CP's current approach, one can assume that everything for the moment is perfect, but that planning is needed to maintain the same level of perceived quality in the future. (To say that we want to exceed the current quality goes against the premise and reverts back to the first part of the question, which implies that there is something that can be improved now). So, again the question is, where do you perceive the computing community moving in the next 5 years, what technologies do you see evolving, and probably most relevant, what changes in Internet access do you see occurring? All of these are areas that require a crystal ball for appropriate planning, the goal of which is to maintain the same level of perceived quality. As an aside, I think it can be argued as to whether or not the perception of quality is enhanced when features are added that take advantage of new technologies, or if the perception of quality simply remains the same because it is expected that these enhancements are made, and the perception would degrade if the enhancements were not made. As a second aside, as a system matures it transitions from "new features" to "feature servicing". Where do you think CP is right now on that bar? Are there more features to be added or enhancements to existing features? And lastly, all things have a life cycle. Whi
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What I'd like to see? Besides the "when clicking link [^] in the editor, select the innerHTML, not the entire link" feature? As an "oldtimer", I must say, my first thought is conservation. Making sure CP doesn't go down the drain. We've all seen great sites and other new-technology-thingies diminish into commercial crap or nonexistance, and sadly, I've been "emotionally attached" to a few the same way I'm attached to CP. Community Feeling not swept away, the ever-increasing number of articles remaining valuable and findable (the latter becoming more difficult). You young paulish whippersnappers might need to sooth my philodrainophobia a bit when I get to intense Besides that? Maybe the Codeproject Projects evolves into a true online project development community - not just the "we are the tools" of SourceForge, but something with a distinct Windows and CodProject stint.
"Der Geist des Kriegers ist erwacht / Ich hab die Macht" StS
sighist | Agile Programming | doxygenpeterchen wrote: What I'd like to see? Besides the "when clicking link [^] in the editor, select the innerHTML, not the entire link" feature? I would hope that no more programing questions comes into the lounge! :-D Weiye, Chen When pursuing your dreams, don't forget to enjoy your life...
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What I'd like to see? Besides the "when clicking link [^] in the editor, select the innerHTML, not the entire link" feature? As an "oldtimer", I must say, my first thought is conservation. Making sure CP doesn't go down the drain. We've all seen great sites and other new-technology-thingies diminish into commercial crap or nonexistance, and sadly, I've been "emotionally attached" to a few the same way I'm attached to CP. Community Feeling not swept away, the ever-increasing number of articles remaining valuable and findable (the latter becoming more difficult). You young paulish whippersnappers might need to sooth my philodrainophobia a bit when I get to intense Besides that? Maybe the Codeproject Projects evolves into a true online project development community - not just the "we are the tools" of SourceForge, but something with a distinct Windows and CodProject stint.
"Der Geist des Kriegers ist erwacht / Ich hab die Macht" StS
sighist | Agile Programming | doxygenpeterchen wrote: the ever-increasing number of articles remaining valuable and findable (the latter becoming more difficult). I don't know if this is already how it works, but wouldn't it be good to search the site based on article keywords and with the highest rated article showing first? Maybe even the highest rated author (based on the user level).
I bleed orange.
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*grin* When I first read your post above, I thought the same, then worked out you meant Code Guru. When I saw your comment about windevnet, I wondered what you meant - of course it was my last round of articles for WDJ. I'm still waiting for my Dr. Dobbs articles to surface, but I'm not holding my breath any longer. The truth is that life is just so busy for me now. We've just bought 5 acres ( 2 hectares ) of land, and we're in the process of moving, and then we'll be in the process of turning 5 acres of grass into a minifarm ( fruit trees, vegetable garden, chickens, I'm hoping a cow ). I also spent the last six months programming for Palm, and while I wrote a few articles, in the end I just sort of drifted away from CP because I was in another sphere. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
Christian Graus wrote: We've just bought 5 acres ( 2 hectares ) of land Wow, thats very cool, any pictures :-) How far is this place from your work. Kannan
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Christian Graus wrote: We've just bought 5 acres ( 2 hectares ) of land Wow, thats very cool, any pictures :-) How far is this place from your work. Kannan
It's about 20 minutes from work, and I'll try to get some pictures up tonight :-) Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
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:) Sorry, I was referring to CodeGuru. As for Christian Grauss, I guess he's still around, though possibly less so that in the past. He recently wrote some nice contributions to Windevnet.com, maybe this kind of stuff is taking his time. Joaquín M López Muñoz Telefónica, Investigación y Desarrollo
Gotcha. ;) -Nick Parker
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*grin* When I first read your post above, I thought the same, then worked out you meant Code Guru. When I saw your comment about windevnet, I wondered what you meant - of course it was my last round of articles for WDJ. I'm still waiting for my Dr. Dobbs articles to surface, but I'm not holding my breath any longer. The truth is that life is just so busy for me now. We've just bought 5 acres ( 2 hectares ) of land, and we're in the process of moving, and then we'll be in the process of turning 5 acres of grass into a minifarm ( fruit trees, vegetable garden, chickens, I'm hoping a cow ). I also spent the last six months programming for Palm, and while I wrote a few articles, in the end I just sort of drifted away from CP because I was in another sphere. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
Christian Graus wrote: We've just bought 5 acres ( 2 hectares ) of land, and we're in the process of moving, and then we'll be in the process of turning 5 acres of grass into a minifarm ( fruit trees, vegetable garden, chickens, I'm hoping a cow ). Nice! Will it be organic? I have a backyard garden that's a lush as a jungle, but it's not very big.
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Christian Graus wrote: We've just bought 5 acres ( 2 hectares ) of land, and we're in the process of moving, and then we'll be in the process of turning 5 acres of grass into a minifarm ( fruit trees, vegetable garden, chickens, I'm hoping a cow ). Nice! Will it be organic? I have a backyard garden that's a lush as a jungle, but it's not very big.
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhijdunlap wrote: Will it be organic? By definition :-) Do you mean will it be chemical free ? My family will be eating the produce, so that would be a big 'yes'. I'd rather lose a percentage to pests than eat poisons. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
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jdunlap wrote: Will it be organic? By definition :-) Do you mean will it be chemical free ? My family will be eating the produce, so that would be a big 'yes'. I'd rather lose a percentage to pests than eat poisons. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
Christian Graus wrote: I'd rather lose a percentage to pests than eat poisons. Same here. We grow all kinds of stuff from peppers to passion fruit. But the tomatoes are the biggest yielders - we have 'way too many to eat, so we're going to give some away. But most of the neighbors we've asked say they have too many, too.
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I personally love this site and would like to see it grow even more. The community that developed around it is great. CodeProject already has a respectable number of members 472995, although not all participate actively and some are just one time stoppers. The ratio of articles to members is less than one percent. Although some of the articles are questionable, I think a large number of them are medium to high quality articles. Also,I think I speak for all when I say that CodeProject has been a great help in improving our skills and learning new things. But as with all things, there is allways room for improvement. How can CodeProject grow both in quality and in numbers? How do you imagine Codeproject 5 years from now? What is our role, as members of this community, in the growth of CodeProject?
I always have a fear that what happned to CodeGuru would happen to CP but I doubt that. For those that have not been around it appeared that CodeGuru was sold off to make money. It grew to the point it was a valuable resource and then sold. First though it was abused with tons of ads from (I believe) DoubleClick and then finally sold. CP seems to be doing fine and has a good future ahead of it. I know Chris will continue to provide great services for the developer community and make CP the central developer site. Would be interesting to get the membership numbers in tune with what the real developer population on CP. The forcing of memberships to download code was a bad idea to me, it did nothing but artificialy increase the membership number, I never pay any attention to that number anymore since it has no value. Would be interesting if that requirement for membership was dropped and then have your account automatically deleted after say three months of not being used. That number surely would drop. But this may be for marketing to make the site appear larger to draw higher paid sponsors. That is fine with me. A feature I would like to see some kind of localizing developer communities. I am thinking of a method to get developers in their local communities together or some form of networking on a local level. When I refer to local, I mean by a single metro area or say a hundred mile radius. May not be a simple answer to this but would be great to network on a local level via CP. Another feature that might have some power would be a subscription membership area for enhanced services. Possible video tutorials, detailed study materials, code libraries that are only available to members, etc. Then the developers who produce the materials and services could get a portion of the membership revenue. Of course CP would get a big chunk of it for providing the service. Anyway, If CP continues on just like it is that is fine with me. I do not care if every add on the site was from Microsoft or not. I am not a hypocrite when it comes to developement, I work with Microsoft technologies and the company is fine with me. If I did not like Microsoft, I would not us their technology (including their OS). Plus, if MS owned every ad on CP, the site would surely have a lot of revenue ;) Rocky Moore <><
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I totally agree with you on the points/credits issue. As to the evolution of CodeProject, I agree change can not be forced upon, but I also think that CPians have a serious role to play in improving the site and maintaining the quality of the content (call me an idealist if you want).
DISCLAIMER: If any part of this reply angers anyone please give me a chance to explain before flaming. :omg: apferreira wrote: call me an idealist if you want I'm not going to call you names. Nobody benefits.:cool: apferreira wrote: I also think that CPians have a serious role to play in improving the site... I don't think we are saving lives here so I personally would moderate the "serious role":eek:. As far as improving the site goes. For me at least I am fine to let Chris and his associates make those calls. I think that Chris has some outstanding and very bright people helping him with this site I also believe that he has great vision as evidenced by where it is today. I am quite comfortable to email my suggestions for improving the site to Chris and letting him seek his own input on any suggestions that are worth while in his mind. Problem is at this point I don't have any. CP is like that totally broke-in pair of jeans. They just fit and you don't have to screw with them. (My Opinion only, vote if you agree.) ;) I think this discussion could easily take on religios proportions and I am not one bit interested in that. I am going to mosey along now and see what else is cooking in other parts of this great site. The last think I personally want to say is to respond to "less than 1% of current attendance" is writing articles" crapola. If CP was just about writing articles let's change the whole look and feel and dump the forums completely. A lot of people, myself included, come here for the outstanding articles. We hit are favorite forums and we surf around and take in the scenery. Not everyone has the gift of writing or teaching. If you think that quality is bad with less than 1% contributing, wait and see how it gets if you somehow try to force/encourage/entice the other 99% or a fraction thereof to submit articles. As I said before, CP has it's own pulse, a healthy one. From what I can see this site is in no danger of dying soon. Comparing it to other sites has always struck me as interesting. The World-Wide-Web is only a click away. If some other site has your magic trinket then give it a book mark and go there as needed. Throw a suggestion Chris's way using the "suggestions" forum http://www.codeproject.com/script/comments/forums.asp?forumid=1645[
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apferreira wrote: But as with all things, there is allways room for improvement. How can CodeProject grow both in quality and in numbers? How do you imagine Codeproject 5 years from now? What is our role, as members of this community, in the growth of CodeProject? As I see it, this is a two part question. The first part is an implicit assumption that there's something wrong that needs to be fixed now. You mention quality along with growth, and the future, so I would assume that you want to discuss areas in which CP's current implementation may not sustain quality as it continues to grow in the future. So, in response, I'm curious as to what you mean by quality, and can you identify areas in the existing implementation that may compromise your concept of quality as CP experiences growth. Also, it's easy to say there's always room for improvement, but that begs the question, "what improvement do you suggest?" This is a pandora's box, because one person's concept of an improvement is another person's concept of a degredation in quality. The second phase is sort of like the first phase, but instead of identifying something wrong with CP's current approach, one can assume that everything for the moment is perfect, but that planning is needed to maintain the same level of perceived quality in the future. (To say that we want to exceed the current quality goes against the premise and reverts back to the first part of the question, which implies that there is something that can be improved now). So, again the question is, where do you perceive the computing community moving in the next 5 years, what technologies do you see evolving, and probably most relevant, what changes in Internet access do you see occurring? All of these are areas that require a crystal ball for appropriate planning, the goal of which is to maintain the same level of perceived quality. As an aside, I think it can be argued as to whether or not the perception of quality is enhanced when features are added that take advantage of new technologies, or if the perception of quality simply remains the same because it is expected that these enhancements are made, and the perception would degrade if the enhancements were not made. As a second aside, as a system matures it transitions from "new features" to "feature servicing". Where do you think CP is right now on that bar? Are there more features to be added or enhancements to existing features? And lastly, all things have a life cycle. Whi
You truly have a gift for communication. I mean that sincerely. I think this is a fantastic response that you give and it makes me wish that I could communicate as succinctly as this. Best Regards, Rex
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You truly have a gift for communication. I mean that sincerely. I think this is a fantastic response that you give and it makes me wish that I could communicate as succinctly as this. Best Regards, Rex
"Back to school, back to school; to prove to dad I'm not a fool." - Billy Madison (Adam Sandler) Rex Winn
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I checked my profile today and it has been three years almost to the day since the current member/profile system went up, and I can't even tell you when it was before then that I actually started visiting here, let alone when I signed up. In that time I am certain the change has been significant, yet I can't actually rememeber a time when it has been any different. In five years time, apart from being able to dictate messages to be posted in the Lounge via a wireless microphone installed in my cheek and viewing the results directly on my retina, I can't see any major changes occuring (nor needing to). CodeProject simply evolves along with it's members for the industry it deals with. Today it is Codeproject Projects, tomorrow it may be anything.
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I personally love this site and would like to see it grow even more. The community that developed around it is great. CodeProject already has a respectable number of members 472995, although not all participate actively and some are just one time stoppers. The ratio of articles to members is less than one percent. Although some of the articles are questionable, I think a large number of them are medium to high quality articles. Also,I think I speak for all when I say that CodeProject has been a great help in improving our skills and learning new things. But as with all things, there is allways room for improvement. How can CodeProject grow both in quality and in numbers? How do you imagine Codeproject 5 years from now? What is our role, as members of this community, in the growth of CodeProject?
apferreira wrote: grow both in quality and in numbers Member.. grow!! It's grown by over 450,000 members in the last 1.5 years!! I think thats a fairly big growth rate :-D Regards, Brian Dela :-)
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*grin* When I first read your post above, I thought the same, then worked out you meant Code Guru. When I saw your comment about windevnet, I wondered what you meant - of course it was my last round of articles for WDJ. I'm still waiting for my Dr. Dobbs articles to surface, but I'm not holding my breath any longer. The truth is that life is just so busy for me now. We've just bought 5 acres ( 2 hectares ) of land, and we're in the process of moving, and then we'll be in the process of turning 5 acres of grass into a minifarm ( fruit trees, vegetable garden, chickens, I'm hoping a cow ). I also spent the last six months programming for Palm, and while I wrote a few articles, in the end I just sort of drifted away from CP because I was in another sphere. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
Christian Graus wrote: The truth is that life is just so busy for me now. We've just bought 5 acres ( 2 hectares ) of land, and we're in the process of moving, and then we'll be in the process of turning 5 acres of grass into a minifarm ( fruit trees, vegetable garden, chickens, I'm hoping a cow ). Cool, nothing like nature to unstress our stressful life :-) Cheers,Joao Vaz One protocol to rule them all One protocol to find them One protocol to bring them all And in the darkness, bind them In the land of mordor.net, where the shadowed fibers lie
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I'll second that. It's part of what makes him a great leader. :)
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I personally love this site and would like to see it grow even more. The community that developed around it is great. CodeProject already has a respectable number of members 472995, although not all participate actively and some are just one time stoppers. The ratio of articles to members is less than one percent. Although some of the articles are questionable, I think a large number of them are medium to high quality articles. Also,I think I speak for all when I say that CodeProject has been a great help in improving our skills and learning new things. But as with all things, there is allways room for improvement. How can CodeProject grow both in quality and in numbers? How do you imagine Codeproject 5 years from now? What is our role, as members of this community, in the growth of CodeProject?
apferreira wrote: How do you imagine Codeproject 5 years from now? I imagine CP purchasing a small island in the Carribbean, and forming a nation of coders. :bob: will be our king. All Hail The King!! BW "In a world full of people, only some want to fly,Isn't that crazy?" - Seal
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apferreira wrote: How do you imagine Codeproject 5 years from now? I imagine CP purchasing a small island in the Carribbean, and forming a nation of coders. :bob: will be our king. All Hail The King!! BW "In a world full of people, only some want to fly,Isn't that crazy?" - Seal
:-D
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apferreira wrote: How do you imagine Codeproject 5 years from now? I imagine CP purchasing a small island in the Carribbean, and forming a nation of coders. :bob: will be our king. All Hail The King!! BW "In a world full of people, only some want to fly,Isn't that crazy?" - Seal
:-D