Australians and Criminals
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Can any Australian member of CP trace their family tree back to a criminal that came to Oz from England? I think that two of my ancestors were the black sheep in the family and were chased away to South Africa/Namibia. :)
Speaking of Australian origins, does anyone know of a good place to read about how Australia turned from basically a prison colony into a rather nice place to live with a decent government? Having heard nothing about it, I'm curious. John
"We want to be alone when we hear too many words and we feel alone when it has been a while since anyone has spoken to us." Paul David Tripp -- War of Words -
Can any Australian member of CP trace their family tree back to a criminal that came to Oz from England? I think that two of my ancestors were the black sheep in the family and were chased away to South Africa/Namibia. :)
FranzKlein wrote: Can any Australian member of CP trace their family tree back to a criminal that came to Oz from England? Yes, but I can't be bothered looking it up right now :). I can't even remember where all the information's kept. I think it's at my aunt's place. We've traced our family tree back to King Edward IV, and before that it just follows the royal family. It seems that my ancestor at that point in time was an illegitimate son of King Edward, the result of an affair with a prostitute :wtf:
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
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Can any Australian member of CP trace their family tree back to a criminal that came to Oz from England? I think that two of my ancestors were the black sheep in the family and were chased away to South Africa/Namibia. :)
And can tolerate RealPlayer (The BBC really should stop using bloody realaudio) have a listen to this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/voices2/voices_transportation.shtml[^] Using the first hand testimony of convicts who survived the journey "beyond the seas" as they termed it, Voices of the Powerless is in Tasmania to find out what a sentence of transportation to Van Diemen's Land (as it was still known) really meant in the penal settlements of Hobart and elsewhere Only half an hour, and Melvyn Bragg isn't being all that smug and condescending. Ryan.
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FranzKlein wrote: Can any Australian member of CP trace their family tree back to a criminal that came to Oz from England? Yes, but I can't be bothered looking it up right now :). I can't even remember where all the information's kept. I think it's at my aunt's place. We've traced our family tree back to King Edward IV, and before that it just follows the royal family. It seems that my ancestor at that point in time was an illegitimate son of King Edward, the result of an affair with a prostitute :wtf:
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
Does that mean if I (sorry, someone :-)) killed enough of the Royal Family and descendants, you'd be the King of England? :laugh: -- Ian Darling If I was any more loopy, I'd be infinite.
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Does that mean if I (sorry, someone :-)) killed enough of the Royal Family and descendants, you'd be the King of England? :laugh: -- Ian Darling If I was any more loopy, I'd be infinite.
Ian Darling wrote: Does that mean if I (sorry, someone ) killed enough of the Royal Family and descendants, you'd be the King of England? Yes, but you'd probably have to use a nuke or something, because there's an awful lot of them in line before me :)
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
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Does that mean if I (sorry, someone :-)) killed enough of the Royal Family and descendants, you'd be the King of England? :laugh: -- Ian Darling If I was any more loopy, I'd be infinite.
Maybe that was why your ancestors were deported to Oz? :~
David Wulff
"Yeah, ohh, ahh. That's how it always starts. But then later there's running, and screaming." -- Jeff Goldblum, The Lost World.
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Maybe that was why your ancestors were deported to Oz? :~
David Wulff
"Yeah, ohh, ahh. That's how it always starts. But then later there's running, and screaming." -- Jeff Goldblum, The Lost World.
David Wulff wrote: Maybe that was why your ancestors were deported to Oz? OK, now I'm confused - I'm a Brit, not an Aussie (not for the lack of trying though :-)) Was this intended for Ryan? -- Ian Darling If I was any more loopy, I'd be infinite.
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Can any Australian member of CP trace their family tree back to a criminal that came to Oz from England? I think that two of my ancestors were the black sheep in the family and were chased away to South Africa/Namibia. :)
My ancestors weren't criminals, they were entrepreneurs. cheers, Chris Maunder
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My ancestors weren't criminals, they were entrepreneurs. cheers, Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote: My ancestors weren't criminals, they were entrepreneurs. The union of those two sets is not the empty set, though. :-D "When a man sits with a pretty girl for an hour, it seems like a minute. But let him sit on a hot stove for a minute and it's longer than any hour. That's relativity." - Albert Einstein
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Can any Australian member of CP trace their family tree back to a criminal that came to Oz from England? I think that two of my ancestors were the black sheep in the family and were chased away to South Africa/Namibia. :)
None of my ancestors were criminals (that were caught anyway), but I recently discovered an interesting overlooked fact - As Australia was a new colony and had extreme labour shortages, the powers that be decided to be extremely selective when choosing who would be transported. As a result, to get transported you had to be a skilled tradesman or specialist labourer. The vast majority of transportees had committed very minor offences, but were sent to Aus to alleviate the labour shortage rather than to rid England of undesirables. The murderers, rapists and scum (unless highly qualified) therefore were left to rot in Ol' Blighty. Casts a somewhat different light on the "Convict" status of early Australia. *************************** Statistics are like bikinis - both look extremely attractive, but both hide the truely essential
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David Wulff wrote: Maybe that was why your ancestors were deported to Oz? OK, now I'm confused - I'm a Brit, not an Aussie (not for the lack of trying though :-)) Was this intended for Ryan? -- Ian Darling If I was any more loopy, I'd be infinite.
Uh huh, your message just happened top be the last one on the screen as my my boss walked towards my screen... :-O
David Wulff
"Yeah, ohh, ahh. That's how it always starts. But then later there's running, and screaming." -- Jeff Goldblum, The Lost World.
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None of my ancestors were criminals (that were caught anyway), but I recently discovered an interesting overlooked fact - As Australia was a new colony and had extreme labour shortages, the powers that be decided to be extremely selective when choosing who would be transported. As a result, to get transported you had to be a skilled tradesman or specialist labourer. The vast majority of transportees had committed very minor offences, but were sent to Aus to alleviate the labour shortage rather than to rid England of undesirables. The murderers, rapists and scum (unless highly qualified) therefore were left to rot in Ol' Blighty. Casts a somewhat different light on the "Convict" status of early Australia. *************************** Statistics are like bikinis - both look extremely attractive, but both hide the truely essential
Are you sure insanity wasn't part of the transport requirements? *Thinks of the person's lineage who created Blinky Bill* :laugh:
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Maybe that was why your ancestors were deported to Oz? :~
David Wulff
"Yeah, ohh, ahh. That's how it always starts. But then later there's running, and screaming." -- Jeff Goldblum, The Lost World.
David Wulff wrote: Maybe that was why your ancestors were deported to Oz? Unlikely, since Edward IV reigned 300 years before Australia was even settled ;)
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
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Can any Australian member of CP trace their family tree back to a criminal that came to Oz from England? I think that two of my ancestors were the black sheep in the family and were chased away to South Africa/Namibia. :)
All the family tree stuff was being maintained by one of my aunts in Sydney I think, so I don't have it handy. But apparently my fathers side traces back to the Mayor of Boston (!), so I found that pretty neat.
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Can any Australian member of CP trace their family tree back to a criminal that came to Oz from England? I think that two of my ancestors were the black sheep in the family and were chased away to South Africa/Namibia. :)
FranzKlein wrote: Can any Australian member of CP trace their family tree back to a criminal that came to Oz from England? Yes, on my fathers side. The ancestor arrived on a ship in the second fleet. He was a convict. That's all I know about him. My mothers side were free settlers as far as we could tell. Jeff Green - Greentrees All pigs fed and ready to fly jefgre@tpg.com.au MSN: jefgre@tpg.net.au
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Can any Australian member of CP trace their family tree back to a criminal that came to Oz from England? I think that two of my ancestors were the black sheep in the family and were chased away to South Africa/Namibia. :)
A business man flew to Austrialia to visit some clients. At the airport, Customs asked him, among other questions: "Do you have a criminal record?". The business man responded with: "Do you still need one to get into Australia?". :laugh: I think this guy got searched thoroughly.... VictorV