Thank you Roger :-)
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I get nervous every time I have to take the server offline to install a patch There is no difference between Microsoft and Linux in that respect. In fact, Linux developers pride themselves on being able to release frequent patches to resolve security issues. So what you are saying is that you will not keep up to date with the latest Linux hotfixes and patches? That would require you to bring the servers offline too, you know. You should read my other messages from a couple of days ago, regarding people who believe that just by using Linux they alleviate the issue of frequent patches. Linux is no more secure than Windows NT on a day-to-day basis. David Wulff dwulff@battleaxesoftware.com
On linux you don't have to reboot when you install a patch, plus I cluster all important servers for redundancy. I also read that insurers raised rates for people using NT. I don't know if Linux is right for a small shop that doesn't need high up time, but I know my company needs it. The reason we went with Win2k was that we read that the " five nine" uptimes were possible with that OS. Unfortunatly because of the virus/worm situation my corp didn't see that and we had to switch to linux. The license model on Windows changes on October to the subscription model so we felt it was the best time to switch. I guess if I ran a small operation with 1-30 people(with a good cash flow), than Windows might be good because Windows Servers have a less steep learning curve because it's mostly point and click, and if didn't have to provide mission critical reliability. So for like a family resturant or a couple of programmers writting apps for windows those servers are good.
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Looks like we know Rogers 'alias' now. Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.
No, I'm not 'Roger'. Please don't be mean. Thanks.
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On linux you don't have to reboot when you install a patch, plus I cluster all important servers for redundancy. I also read that insurers raised rates for people using NT. I don't know if Linux is right for a small shop that doesn't need high up time, but I know my company needs it. The reason we went with Win2k was that we read that the " five nine" uptimes were possible with that OS. Unfortunatly because of the virus/worm situation my corp didn't see that and we had to switch to linux. The license model on Windows changes on October to the subscription model so we felt it was the best time to switch. I guess if I ran a small operation with 1-30 people(with a good cash flow), than Windows might be good because Windows Servers have a less steep learning curve because it's mostly point and click, and if didn't have to provide mission critical reliability. So for like a family resturant or a couple of programmers writting apps for windows those servers are good.
Aaron, or whoever you are, Why on earth are you spending so much time defending yourself ? With switching all you servers over to linux I would think that alone would be a full time job ! Lord you've got enough rationalizations here to write a small novel.
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Gee, isn't linux great! I think I'll throw like 7 years of VC++/Windows development out of the window and go learn how to code for linux too. James Spibey Well cover me in honey and throw me to the lesbians!
"Well cover me in honey and throw me to the lesbians!" in your dreams ;) --- "every year we invent better idiot proof systems and every year they invent better idiots ... and the linux zealots still aren't being sterilized"
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I have been reading the various posts that Roger and others wrote, and I finally realized he is right about Linux. The Gartner report has really changed my mind about MS in the Server market. I have already switched over all my company's servers from Windows 2000 to Linux because they would be down at least twice a week due to patches and hotfixes that needed to be applied. As of right now I'm so relieved that I did this, as it was quite easy to switch over my Active Server Pages to php with a program include in my distribution. Everything is running great. I'm now looking at making linux the desktop OS. I would now like to thank Roger for being persistant and informing me about Linux. The down time has now been eliminated from my company and that is great in this economic down turn. Plus I don't have to pay MS all those server license fees. Roger I hope you continue in your efforts, because at first I found you extremely annoying and brash, but I found that you are right. It takes an emotional effort to switch from something like MS after using it so long to Linux, and the only way I was able to do this was through your constant presentation of the facts. This finally made me realize that it is my responsiblity to make sure I have a secrure OS. If you hadn't informed and challenged me, I still would be an MS user. So I would encourage you not to get discouraged at some people's responses becuase they need to be informed, and nothing less than what you did will change them.
now accepting membership applications ;) --- "every year we invent better idiot proof systems and every year they invent better idiots ... and the linux zealots still aren't being sterilized"
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The desktop is still Windows, I only installed Linux on the servers. I also know that it can't get any worse than Windows so I'm satisfied with my decision. That Gartner report just proved my decision, and if I do have problems(I doubt I will) I'll just show it to my boss.
Aaron that Gartner report proved nothing. If everyone switches over to Linux in a few months there will be more viruses for Linux targeted at it's security holes than you can shake a stick at. You will then be spending just as much time patching and securing Linux as you were Windows. Do you honestly think that Microsoft with all it's billions and all it's minions would intentionally make IIS a bad product? Do you think they sit around saying "hey IIS 5.1 has this big security hole, lets ship it" ? Is it not more plausable that it simply has been a bigger and more worthy target of virus writers, hence why it has been shown up. Oh and just remember your words "it can't get any worse than Windows" when you are getting 100 support calls an hour from irate desktop users who have been forced to migrate from Windows to Linux and now cannot even find the print button or the open icon. By all means use Linux on your servers, it is no better and no worse than Windows (Linux stability vs. Windows features) but think LONG and HARD about your desktops. Your users will not thank you for swapping, believe me. Otherwise, the best of luck and may you and Linux have a fruitful companionship... regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "We would accomplish many more things if we did not think of them as impossible." - Chretien Malesherbes
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now accepting membership applications ;) --- "every year we invent better idiot proof systems and every year they invent better idiots ... and the linux zealots still aren't being sterilized"
Oooohhhh I want life membership please. I would like the Fake Roger the Dodger ID Book and the Dual Rodger Danger CP Login Accounts. I would ask for the Rodger Action Figure but I already have the Bill Gates one and they may clash in my room. Also when I join can I please swap my copy of Windows for a copy of Linux? I know it is not worth much and is the work of the devil but it must be good for something, right? ;P Good one Lauren! regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "We would accomplish many more things if we did not think of them as impossible." - Chretien Malesherbes
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I have been reading the various posts that Roger and others wrote, and I finally realized he is right about Linux. The Gartner report has really changed my mind about MS in the Server market. I have already switched over all my company's servers from Windows 2000 to Linux because they would be down at least twice a week due to patches and hotfixes that needed to be applied. As of right now I'm so relieved that I did this, as it was quite easy to switch over my Active Server Pages to php with a program include in my distribution. Everything is running great. I'm now looking at making linux the desktop OS. I would now like to thank Roger for being persistant and informing me about Linux. The down time has now been eliminated from my company and that is great in this economic down turn. Plus I don't have to pay MS all those server license fees. Roger I hope you continue in your efforts, because at first I found you extremely annoying and brash, but I found that you are right. It takes an emotional effort to switch from something like MS after using it so long to Linux, and the only way I was able to do this was through your constant presentation of the facts. This finally made me realize that it is my responsiblity to make sure I have a secrure OS. If you hadn't informed and challenged me, I still would be an MS user. So I would encourage you not to get discouraged at some people's responses becuase they need to be informed, and nothing less than what you did will change them.
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Oooohhhh I want life membership please. I would like the Fake Roger the Dodger ID Book and the Dual Rodger Danger CP Login Accounts. I would ask for the Rodger Action Figure but I already have the Bill Gates one and they may clash in my room. Also when I join can I please swap my copy of Windows for a copy of Linux? I know it is not worth much and is the work of the devil but it must be good for something, right? ;P Good one Lauren! regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "We would accomplish many more things if we did not think of them as impossible." - Chretien Malesherbes
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... through the serial port ;P Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
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now accepting membership applications ;) --- "every year we invent better idiot proof systems and every year they invent better idiots ... and the linux zealots still aren't being sterilized"
Does it come with Honey and Lesbians? :-D Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
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Gee, isn't linux great! I think I'll throw like 7 years of VC++/Windows development out of the window and go learn how to code for linux too. James Spibey Well cover me in honey and throw me to the lesbians!
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"Well cover me in honey and throw me to the lesbians!" in your dreams ;) --- "every year we invent better idiot proof systems and every year they invent better idiots ... and the linux zealots still aren't being sterilized"
Dreams come true, don't they? James Spibey Well cover me in honey and throw me to the lesbians!
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Dreams come true, don't they? James Spibey Well cover me in honey and throw me to the lesbians!
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What do you think the honey is for?
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What do you think the honey is for?
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Aaron that Gartner report proved nothing. If everyone switches over to Linux in a few months there will be more viruses for Linux targeted at it's security holes than you can shake a stick at. You will then be spending just as much time patching and securing Linux as you were Windows. Do you honestly think that Microsoft with all it's billions and all it's minions would intentionally make IIS a bad product? Do you think they sit around saying "hey IIS 5.1 has this big security hole, lets ship it" ? Is it not more plausable that it simply has been a bigger and more worthy target of virus writers, hence why it has been shown up. Oh and just remember your words "it can't get any worse than Windows" when you are getting 100 support calls an hour from irate desktop users who have been forced to migrate from Windows to Linux and now cannot even find the print button or the open icon. By all means use Linux on your servers, it is no better and no worse than Windows (Linux stability vs. Windows features) but think LONG and HARD about your desktops. Your users will not thank you for swapping, believe me. Otherwise, the best of luck and may you and Linux have a fruitful companionship... regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "We would accomplish many more things if we did not think of them as impossible." - Chretien Malesherbes
<<< If everyone switches over to Linux in a few months there will be more viruses for Linux targeted at it's security holes than you can shake a stick at. >>> Sorry, but the internet is already mostly non-IIS. According to Netcraft.com, Microsoft runs on less than half of the web servers than Apache software runs on. Even though Apache is twice as large as IIS, nobody has written an Apache exploit that has done a fraction of the damage that Code Red has done. <<< Do you think they sit around saying "hey IIS 5.1 has this big security hole, lets ship it" ? >>> Because Microsoft has an embarrasing history of having its own computers hacked because it failed to apply its own patches to its own systems, I wonder how much Microsoft's employees care about security. Heck, Apache hasn't had one extremely bad security flaw since 1997. ( http://www.zdnet.com/eweek/stories/general/0,11011,2792860,00.html ) <<< Is it not more plausable that it simply has been a bigger and more worthy target of virus writers, hence why it has been shown up. >>> If you want to target 26% of web servers, you go after IIS. If you want to target 59% of web serveres, you go after Apache. Funny how script kiddies seem to favor the smaller target over the bigger target.
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I still don't think they would want him, covered in honey or not. Actually honey would make him less appealing. It attracts insects.
I hate being rejected :(( James Spibey Well cover me in honey and throw me to the lesbians! - but only if they want to. I'm not trying to pressurise anyone.
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"were do I plug the joystick in then eh love?" wise words from Roger the Dodger ;P regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "We would accomplish many more things if we did not think of them as impossible." - Chretien Malesherbes