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[philip andrew]

>The point i was trying to make was that if the American Government >minds it's own business, according to Osama Bin Ladin, there will >be no furthur attacks on US of A. Do you belive the words of Osama Bin Ladin ? So your simple logic is, ok - get out, and Osama will leave everyone alone and we will all be happy little vegimites. Are you crazy or something? All countrys that the USA get involved in say "Mind your own business, don't get involved in our internal affairs". Such as China, I guess thats OK with you if people in China can't speak differing political views, so the USA should mind its own business, sure I guess it doesn't matter really to us - we arn't in China, so stuff em right? But we do business with them, so the following is important. Ask yourself, who do so many Chinese go to the USA to work and make lots of money if they hate the USA so much. The same goes for lots of foreigners that work there. The USA is not a evil empire, its simple goal in getting involved in the world is to provide an environment for companies to make a profit. That is all, and that generally requires peace, thats why selfish capitalism is so great a system, the role of government - supported by business is to provide a ever growing safe haven for business to exist. THAT IS ALL. The USA is not trying to be "good" or "bad", but of course politially its important to do it with a good image (which all countries do), and as such it can be seen as good. I wish people would see the truth in the matter rather than, over here - some country is good, or over there they are bad. That thinking is very BAD thinking, in Osamas mind he is very good, in the mind of the terrorists that crashes the planes they are very good and going to heaven. That is the crazy truth of it, they belive they are right, we belive we are right, the winner at the end is right, justly or not. Philip

[Alvaro Mendez]

BTW, America has supported terriost before to plot an assassination againts Cuban President, Fidel Castro. Why ? Well, the don't like the Cuban *System*. Please don't call the monster in power for the last 42 years "President". No one elected the motherf*cker! :mad: It's too bad the CIA failed to assasinate his ass, otherwise I'd probably still be in Cuba, my homeland, enjoying its great beauty. Instead, my parents and I had to leave everything (all of which was confiscated by the government) to get on a boat for freedom, 90 miles away. Unfortunately, the bastard has not been content with terrorizing Cuba, he has trained plenty of Guerrillas which have then gone off to just about every country in Latin America to impose Marxist regimes. He's even linked with drug-trafficking. I'm telling you: I, along with millions of Cubans, think assassination would be too good for him. He should be kicked and beaten with a bat for a few weeks, fed some of the crap he makes Cubans stand in long lines for, and then dropped in the ocean to give indigestion to a couple of sharks. Regards, Alvaro

[Mustafa Demirhan]

> ..an islamic country, where your mother/sisters have no rights (just > because they are women)? You STUPID!!! Mustafa Demirhan

[Christian Graus]

Hassan, while John often appears to post 'off the cuff', I believe his POV is a lot more logical than yours. I'm curious to know if this resurfacing of yours is only co=incidentally at the same time as some other jokers reviving the thread on the Quran article that was posted six weeks ago. Another of your pseudonyms I wonder ? Either way, John is right. Your viewpoint is stupid. The US should do what Bin Laden says and the world will be a better place ? You are a fool, and at your age I guess you can forgiven for that, but at least realise you have no idea how life works if you think it's the right thing to do to give in to a bully, and to allow the mass slaughter of innocents. Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.

[Christian Graus]

There is a link around here somewhere to a site run in secret by women in Afghanistan. It documents how a soccer field paid for by international aid is used for public executions, and specifically cases like a woman killed publically for beating her abusive husband to death, despite the pleas of her husbands parents for mercy on her. Yeah, killing a woman in front of her children and lots of spectators so that other Islamic women know to put up with their husbands beating up on them - that makes the suggestion that women have no rights in Islamic countries stupid. Dogs have no rights, women are lower than that, they are under constant attack, they are discriminated against and persecuted. Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.

[Christian Graus]

I thought it was Hassan chop ? Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.

[A A 0]

Mustafa, Don't get worked up over what people say, frankley there alot of people who are: A. Racist bigots (ie Italian Prime Minister) and/or B. 'Regurgitating' what they hear.

[A A 0]

Where in the world are you when visitors post obscene pictures, and other things which are totally unsuitable for the younger audience that visit codeproject. :confused: Ofcourse on the other hand they might be related to 'MFC, COM and another technologies'

[realJSOP]

At his age, he simply makes a more challenging (i.e., shorter and faster-moving) target.

[Paul Watson]

..."(Note: I saw these images on another online message board, I do not frequent the site they are hosted on.)"... LMAO, wait till they catch you on tape using the site... hehe Don't you think it is a pretty judgemental and hypocritical world we live in when we have to make statements like that? (Note: I saw this post on another online message board, I do not frequent CP) ;P regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "We would accomplish many more things if we did not think of them as impossible." - Chretien Malesherbes

[Tim Smith]

Don't you think it is a pretty judgemental and hypocritical world we live in when we have to make statements like that? No, not really. Nothing wrong with being "judgmental". What is wrong is when people are judge, jury, and executioner. (waiting to see if Hassan picks up on that statement.) Tim Smith Descartes Systems Sciences, Inc.

[NormDroid]

Maybe if we kill you the damn situation will cease. Norm Almond Chief Technical Architect FS Walker Hughes Limited

[Gregg Carlstrom]

A.A., I'd humbly request you remove the stick from your arse. Where in the world are you when visitors post obscene pictures, and other things which are totally unsuitable for the younger audience that visit codeproject. Sorry. None of us were aware that the eight-year-old coding gurus visiting this programming website would be offended by pictures of the middle finger. We'll try to keep things a bit cleaner in the future, okay? Ofcourse on the other hand they might be related to 'MFC, COM and another technologies'. This is not a programming forum, this is the Lounge. From the description at the top of the page: The Lounge is a place where you can discuss anything that takes your fancy. If you just want to laze about and discuss things that don't quite fit elsewhere, then this is the place. In case you hadn't noticed, 90% of the stuff on this forum has no relation to programming. That's how it was intended. Lighten up.

[Mustafa Demirhan]

Thanks A.A. What Christian says is like saying "All Christians are assassins since US tried to kill Castro" or "All Christians are idiot because Christian Graus is a real idiot!" :confused: What I mean is that you cannot generalize the facts by using some bad (or good) examples. Anyway, since we are all the Earth citizens, we must learn to live in PEACE and we must be RESPECTFUL. :rose: Hey Christian, you are really a bigot and always trying to insult to Islam. Dont do this again. This is our way of living, and yours is yours!!!!!!!! :mad: Mustafa Demirhan

[Lost User]

Hi Mustafa, My post did not make a blanket statement against all Muslims. I meant just Afghanistan (I hope you will not dispute that) This is what the red cross tells us about Afghanitan: - Women cannot be treated by male doctors - Women cannot go to school (so chances of a women doctor is ruled out) - International agencies are not welcome, although they allow them. - Emergency care is based on the tribe you belong to. What does these mean? If a women has a serious medical condition, she is NOT ELIGIBLE for medical care. Any law that does not take into account welfare of the people is barbaric. I DO NOT think that Afghan people (or atleast women) want this or deserve this. Since any movement by a non-Islamic coutnry will again trigger religious sentiments, it is up to the international muslim community to condemn these and mobilise efforts to save these people from the atrocities that they face today. In my earler post I was not referring to Muslim individuals, rather Muslim regimes. I was referring to the "laws of the land" in many of these countries. Do MEN and WOMEN have equal rights under Islamic law? I have many muslim friends and am not suggesting that they treat women in an unfair way. They DO NOT. But, then they live in democratic countries. But, I am also suprised about their equi-vocal support to oppressive Islamic regimes, even when they do not want to live under those laws. I do not know which part of the world you are from. But do you really believe that there is a fair treatment and opportunities of women in Afghanistan and many other Muslim countries? Do they get enough opportunities to express themselves, choose the career of their choice, choose to leave an abusive spouse (if such a situation arises) with the same ease as a man could? In short, can women follow their dreams if they wanted to as a man could? Pakistani paper "Dawn" editorial recently stated that "if the government wants to do something that will cause public resentment, they do so in the name of Islam". People are afraid to speakup against atrocities that is done in the name of Islam, because their statements can be used in a way that they are anti-Islamic. T think, this is a dangerous trend that the Muslim community around the world should resist. The people in power (whether it is democratic or monarchy or autocratic) are first concerned about their survival. The world lacks true leaders, men and women who stand up for the good of the people. The problem that many Islamic countries face is that the

[A A 0]

Its not my style to get in these types of discussions but here it goes. I would advise you to do several things: A. Read what I was replying to. You say 'This is not a programming forum, this is the Lounge' well good then why dont you tell that to the person I was replying to. I was just telling him to be consistent. B. You say 'None of us were aware that the eight-year-old coding gurus visiting this programming website would be offended by pictures of the middle finger.' First of all I wasn't refering to that. Second of all I am amazed by the fact I have to be 8 to be offended. Respect the visitors, and there is a forum for such garbage. And try this advise: Try not to jump to conculsions and have some respect.

[Lost User]

I think we should be worried about what goes on elsewhere in the world also. It has been high time that nations have principled stance in their foreign policies. All I was saying was that - if basic human freedom is not allowed anywhere in the world, it SHOULD NOT be someone else's business. It should rather be every civilized society's business. We have to help each other out when rogues take control of our society and deny basic freedom. This is exactly what Taliban is doing to the people of Afghanistan. I am just telling you that 'please do not take for granted that everything being done in the name of Islam is right'. Similarly everything done by US is also not correct. But, no country should turn a blind eye to suffering imposed on the people of the same or another country by its own autocratic rulers. I am not against Islam, only those who take advantage of others using Islam. Thomas

[Christian Graus]

What Christian says is like saying "All Christians are assassins since US tried to kill Castro" or "All Christians are idiot because Christian Graus is a real idiot!" No, what I was saying was like saying that when you replied with the words 'you STUPID', you failed to make any argument apart from insulting someone, when to the casual observer it is plainly true that there are countries which claim to be Muslim ( regardless of if you agree or not ), where women are oppressed. You apparently are too dumb to refute this claim intelligently, so you just called the poster stupid. What I mean is that you cannot generalize the facts by using some bad (or good) examples. Anyway, since we are all the Earth citizens, we must learn to live in PEACE and we must be RESPECTFUL. You mean like calling people stupid ? Hey Christian, you are really a bigot and always trying to insult to Islam. Dont do this again. This is our way of living, and yours is yours!!!!!!!! Hey, Mustafa, pucker up. It is not bigoted to make a statement of FACT. The FACTS obviously make you uncomfortable, which is why you call racism instead of meeting the facts head on. If you'd responded by saying 'well, some countries are unfair to women but that is not the way of Islam', I'd respect that as your POV. But calling someone stupid because they pointed out something which I backed up as being utterly true ( that some Islamic fundamentalist countries treat women very poorly ) and then calling me racist for making a statement of fact is just pathetic. Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.

[Billy Peacock]

Well, America will never sell out its allies, Israel is our great hope, Israel is gods people, it says so in the bible, and running over gods people uequals distruction of your self, worser than the depths of hell America will never sell out Israel, for it gods promise is to israel, and i love Israel And by the way i am American, if America turns on Israel, i shall turn on America, for what was our cause for fighting for Independance day in July if we turn on our own friends, Independance day was for all People that yell for freedom and peace

[Mustafa Demirhan]

Hi Thomas, I am from Turkey. I thought that you were talking about all Muslims. Sorry for my words. I accept that Islam is misused by many organizations and countires (like Afghanistan). But this is not the way that Islam says us. Mustafa Demirhan