Foreign perception of the USA
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: You obviously know nothing of Arnold’s body building career. Ever hear of the Arnold classic? Do you want to know why he's a famous body builder in the first place? BECAUSE HE WAS ONE OF THE FIRST BODY BUILDERS TO BUILD MUSCLE NATURALLY! While everyone else was pumping Decca et al, he was pumping iron. I started bodybuilding in 1982, followinf it in 1979. Never took drugs, never had the body or a shot of making a career of it. Not jealous of anyone who has made it through bodybuilder. Arnold took drugs, never outright admitted it but in many magazine interviews through the 90's he alluded to it and refused to deny it. Got the Arnold classic due to his enormous profile from 6 straight and 7 total Olympia titles (plus 5 Universes or there abouts) and the fact he made it big in movies (Remember Cactus Jack? Saw it at the drive ins when I was about 10). On top of that Joe Weider (narcissist and IFBB owner) used his name to make even more money. I like this guy in particular, his statue of himself as modelled by Robby Robinson in his hey day. Personally I couldn't give a fuck who was Governor of California, it doesn't affect me here in Sydney. My only question is, can Arnold make movies and Jesse 'The Body' Ventura wrestle while governors of their respective states? Michael Martin Australia "I suspect I will be impressed though, I am easy." - Paul Watson 21/09/2003
Michael Martin wrote: I started bodybuilding in 1982, followinf it in 1979. I don't care about that, besides it only means you're older than I am. :P Michael Martin wrote: Arnold took drugs, never outright admitted it but in many magazine interviews through the 90's he alluded to it and refused to deny it. Well, even if he did, if doesn't mean he'll be a bad governor. At least give him the credit of not flat-out lying. Michael Martin wrote: Got the Arnold classic I'm not talking about that aspect. I'm talking about that it's a drug free event. Michael Martin wrote: On top of that Joe Weider Joe != Arnold At least your opinions on the matter were formed from an education of the topic. I'm willing to bet the original poster did not do the same. Jeremy Falcon
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erm , yes I had never thought about how many partners Arnie had . It is completely irrelivant . OK , I could not put direct evidence in front of you which would proove he took drugs. Its just that when he had his heart valve operation many surgeons went on record here in the UK saying that the type of damage he had was common in people who had used drugs as part of a body building / weight lifting program . The question I put is how do you think this affects how this changes the perception of the USA in the minds of foriegners. I do not know or care if he is stupid .
I can't prove it, but I bet you any amount of money you looked that up on the Internet, etc. before you replied to this post. Jeremy Falcon
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KaЯl wrote: * it's sad that somebody without a real program can be elected just because of his impact on the media. I'd say most politicians don't stick to the platform they were elected on anyway, so what difference has that made in the past. KaЯl wrote: it's great that somebody who isn't a professional politician for years can be elected. Right on, brother! :)
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brianwelsch wrote: I'd say most politicians don't stick to the platform they were elected on anyway, so what difference has that made in the past. Because people vote for his face, not for his ideas. I know, I know, I'm so old-fashioned :rolleyes:
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Can you (I still would not say: Are you able to) imagine: A country comes to US and says: Guys, your political system is not good. You do not have enough human rights, your army is too strong armed, you have to do what we say. What would Americans do? Probably they will accept it? No, I think they will not. After that US is bombed. Is it democracy what US offers to the rest of the world? What do you expect to hear from the rest of the world about US?
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brianwelsch wrote: I'd say most politicians don't stick to the platform they were elected on anyway, so what difference has that made in the past. Because people vote for his face, not for his ideas. I know, I know, I'm so old-fashioned :rolleyes:
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As I just said to my co-worker, most people spend more time picking out a new TV or computer than they do their elected officials. No difference in California yesterday.
"The beat goes on.. da-da-dum dadum dum"
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Can you (I still would not say: Are you able to) imagine: A country comes to US and says: Guys, your political system is not good. You do not have enough human rights, your army is too strong armed, you have to do what we say. What would Americans do? Probably they will accept it? No, I think they will not. After that US is bombed. Is it democracy what US offers to the rest of the world? What do you expect to hear from the rest of the world about US?
The UN came to Iraq and did everything but the bombing and invading. They condemned Iraq, but did nothing to back up the condemnation. The US backed it up. We will do this to anyone that threatens our livelyhood, and so would you.
"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln
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Michael Martin wrote: I started bodybuilding in 1982, followinf it in 1979. I don't care about that, besides it only means you're older than I am. :P Michael Martin wrote: Arnold took drugs, never outright admitted it but in many magazine interviews through the 90's he alluded to it and refused to deny it. Well, even if he did, if doesn't mean he'll be a bad governor. At least give him the credit of not flat-out lying. Michael Martin wrote: Got the Arnold classic I'm not talking about that aspect. I'm talking about that it's a drug free event. Michael Martin wrote: On top of that Joe Weider Joe != Arnold At least your opinions on the matter were formed from an education of the topic. I'm willing to bet the original poster did not do the same. Jeremy Falcon
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As I just said to my co-worker, most people spend more time picking out a new TV or computer than they do their elected officials. No difference in California yesterday.
"The beat goes on.. da-da-dum dadum dum"
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What about my most important question? Can Arnie act and Jesse wrestle while governors of their states? Michael Martin Australia "I suspect I will be impressed though, I am easy." - Paul Watson 21/09/2003
Michael Martin wrote: What about my most important question? :rolleyes: Michael Martin wrote: Can Arnie act and Jesse wrestle while governors of their states? Maybe it's for the best if they don't. :) Jeremy Falcon
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I can't prove it, but I bet you any amount of money you looked that up on the Internet, etc. before you replied to this post. Jeremy Falcon
Get your money out Jeremy old bean . I have an interest in drugs and sport .
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I don't think anyones views of California will change, its still just a bunch of nut jobs. Anyway, if anyone judges the US based one state's govenor there pretty much ignoring the majority of the US, especially when California is regarded as the nut job state. Besides, no one said anything when Ventura was elected. Arnold will probably do a better job than him. btw, no one likes trolls (yes I mean you) and wrong forum Matt Newman
Sonork: 100:11179 "If you're Noah and you're facing the Flood, don't call a lawyer, start building an Ark." - David CunninghamHow about this - To many people in the world , their biggest source of information about the USA is from the media , TV and films .
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A third rate actor , who was a drug taking body builder is elected to high political office. How do you think this affects how the rest of the world views the USA ? Do you care ? Is it any different to Italy electing porn stars ? Space reserved for wit , humour and correct spelling.
Considering a B movie actor was elected fourtieth president, I don't think a single state election is gonna matter.
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:cool:The strange guy rules only California. That state is known as "the strange zone" all over the world... :cool:
The land of fruits and nuts... Any idea that is obviously ridiculous and counterproductive will be given free reign there, and any act that you may wish to commit, however harmless, is either illegal or required by law and taxed. As a native of the PRC I can assure you that nothing Arnold can do will make the state any worse than it already is. I'm just thankful that so many morons are willing to live there; otherwise we'd have to put up with them in our communities!:-D "Your village called -
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The UN came to Iraq and did everything but the bombing and invading. They condemned Iraq, but did nothing to back up the condemnation. The US backed it up. We will do this to anyone that threatens our livelyhood, and so would you.
"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln
Jason Henderson wrote: The UN came to Iraq and did everything but the bombing and invading. They condemned Iraq, but did nothing to back up the condemnation. The US backed it up. Really, UN did it? :) Maybe Russia (as part of UN) did a lot of that? :) UN tried to find biologically weapons. Nothing more. It could not find anything. After that a lot of talking about nothing from US, and US started the war, of course with UK. Even now, US cannot find biologically weapons. But do not forget that US has similar weapons, maybe worse. Can you imagine that some people "will do this to anyone that threatens their livelihood"? Jason Henderson wrote: We will do this to anyone that threatens our livelyhood, and so would you. Some people has same opinion, but they are on opposite side to you. What about it? Maybe you have more power and the and of story? That is what I am talking about election winner. Pure power is so close to Americans. Election showed it. Do you know why US and UK are in Iraq? Oil, man, do not be child. Let you agree that oil is reason (Not "threatens our livelihood"...) and end of talking.
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For many guys that most would consider “macho” there are two types of women – the kind you sleep with and the kind you care about. You marry the second kind. Jeremy Falcon
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Jason Henderson wrote: The UN came to Iraq and did everything but the bombing and invading. They condemned Iraq, but did nothing to back up the condemnation. The US backed it up. Really, UN did it? :) Maybe Russia (as part of UN) did a lot of that? :) UN tried to find biologically weapons. Nothing more. It could not find anything. After that a lot of talking about nothing from US, and US started the war, of course with UK. Even now, US cannot find biologically weapons. But do not forget that US has similar weapons, maybe worse. Can you imagine that some people "will do this to anyone that threatens their livelihood"? Jason Henderson wrote: We will do this to anyone that threatens our livelyhood, and so would you. Some people has same opinion, but they are on opposite side to you. What about it? Maybe you have more power and the and of story? That is what I am talking about election winner. Pure power is so close to Americans. Election showed it. Do you know why US and UK are in Iraq? Oil, man, do not be child. Let you agree that oil is reason (Not "threatens our livelihood"...) and end of talking.
Anonymous wrote: But do not forget that US has similar weapons, maybe worse. Can you imagine that some people "will do this to anyone that threatens their livelihood"? The US has been destroying its bio and chemical stockpiles for years. We had so many built up from the Cold War that it takes forever to get rid of all of it. Saddam was deemed a direct threat to us, via his terrorist links with al-queda subgroups. We gave him 14 months to show proof that he had destroyed the weapons the UN told him to destroy after the first Gulf War. Anonymous wrote: That is what I am talking about election winner. Pure power is so close to Americans. Election showed it. The election in California has absolutely nothing to do with American foreign policy. Anonymous wrote: Do you know why US and UK are in Iraq? Oil, man, do not be child. Let you agree that oil is reason (Not "threatens our livelihood"...) and end of talking. "do not be child"? How about you stop being so naive and quick to judge based on some crazy conspiracy theories.
"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln
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Anonymous wrote: But do not forget that US has similar weapons, maybe worse. Can you imagine that some people "will do this to anyone that threatens their livelihood"? The US has been destroying its bio and chemical stockpiles for years. We had so many built up from the Cold War that it takes forever to get rid of all of it. Saddam was deemed a direct threat to us, via his terrorist links with al-queda subgroups. We gave him 14 months to show proof that he had destroyed the weapons the UN told him to destroy after the first Gulf War. Anonymous wrote: That is what I am talking about election winner. Pure power is so close to Americans. Election showed it. The election in California has absolutely nothing to do with American foreign policy. Anonymous wrote: Do you know why US and UK are in Iraq? Oil, man, do not be child. Let you agree that oil is reason (Not "threatens our livelihood"...) and end of talking. "do not be child"? How about you stop being so naive and quick to judge based on some crazy conspiracy theories.
"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln
Jason Henderson wrote: The US has been destroying its bio and chemical stockpiles for years. We had so many built up from the Cold War that it takes forever to get rid of all of it. O course, Iraq too (You see that BW cannot be found in Iraq). No difference. You really believe that US destroy its BW!? :) You heard it on TV or newspaper? :) Jason Henderson wrote: Saddam was deemed a direct threat to us, via his terrorist links with al-queda subgroups. We gave him 14 months to show proof that he had destroyed the weapons the UN told him to destroy after the first Gulf War. No proof for Saddam links to terrorists. It was said in US. Sorry some TV's and newspapers say so. You can, too, find answer in your: "How about you stop being so naive and quick to judge based on some crazy conspiracy theories." Just one mention: I have lived in communist country and capitalist too. People have same wash brain. Most of them believe their TV and newspaper. Exactly same story. But believe me, communist TV and NP are so naive in comparing with capitalst that you cannot imagine it. It is, for sure, one of the main reasons that communism is broken.
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Not if they see you for the person you are you don't. Anna :rose: Homepage | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work. Trouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Visual C++ Add-In
And in case you hadn’t noticed – guys like sex! Some are emotional about it regardless and some are only emotional when it’s someone they care about. Also, I didn't judge you when you decided to get your dick chopped off. Don't you think it's hypocritical to judge me so quickly? There are different types of people in this world, and I’m supposed to understand and accept you then but you not do the same for me? Like hell! The fact is, if you pumped yourself full of testosterone and spent more time with guys that aren’t sissies, then you’d bloody well understand where I’m coming from. Jeremy Falcon
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And in case you hadn’t noticed – guys like sex! Some are emotional about it regardless and some are only emotional when it’s someone they care about. Also, I didn't judge you when you decided to get your dick chopped off. Don't you think it's hypocritical to judge me so quickly? There are different types of people in this world, and I’m supposed to understand and accept you then but you not do the same for me? Like hell! The fact is, if you pumped yourself full of testosterone and spent more time with guys that aren’t sissies, then you’d bloody well understand where I’m coming from. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote: And in case you hadn’t noticed – guys like sex! Some are emotional about it regardless and some are only emotional when it’s someone they care about. So do I. I don't go around bragging about how many people I've picked up though - or accusing others of being jealous "because they didn't get as much pussy" as Arnie. Oh please. Jeremy Falcon wrote: Also, I didn't judge you when you decided to get your dick chopped off. That shows how much you know about the subject. They don't chop it off - they skin it, remove the erectile tissue and use the rest to form the new anatomy. The testicles get burnt - which is about the best thing to do with them I think. If the clinic would give them to me I'd burn them myself - publicly. Fancy a barbeque? I do mean grilled meatballs. ;) Jeremy Falcon wrote: Don't you think it's hypocritical to judge me so quickly? Believe me if I was judging you you'd know about it. Your comment just struck me as very, very insensitive. I know you're capable of better. Jeremy Falcon wrote: There are different types of people in this world, and I’m supposed to understand and accept you then but you not do the same for me? Like hell! The fact is, if you pumped yourself full of testosterone and spent more time with guys that aren’t sissies, then you’d bloody well understand where I’m coming from. Err no...if I pumped myself full of testosterone and "spent more time with guys who weren't sissies" I'd probably be dead by now. Why do you think transition is the recommended treatment for intense dysphoria now? I chose this path because I wanted to survive and contribute something to the lives of others in pain. As for the whole "macho" thing - well being expected to live up to that crap made most of my life hell so don't expect me to keep quiet when I come across it now. You'll be disappointed if you do. I have no problem with you hun, but the attitude you expressed in your original reply to Andrew stinks. I know you can do better. Anna :rose: Homepage | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work. Trouble with resource IDs? Try the
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Anyone else consider the fact that another famous govenor of California - who subsequently went on to become "The most powerful man in the World" - was none other than Ronald Reagan..... And for the Americans among us - is it true / false that Arnie cannot go on to stand for president, since he's not a natural born American - causing quite some discussions around my office! In fact, seem to remember reading that he can't serve in Senate / Congress for the same reason, so why is he allowed to be Govenor? Corrections anyone? "Now I guess I'll sit back and watch people misinterpret what I just said......" Christian Graus At The Soapbox
Article 1 Section 3 of the US Constitution (in part)...No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen. Article 1 Section 3 of the US Constitution (in part)...No Person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen. Article 2 Section 1 of the US Constitution (in part)...No person except a natural-born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the office of president; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States. ==================================== Basically a Representative or Senator need only be a US Citizen for the minimum specified number of years. The President must be a natural born citizen (the one exception was for US citizens (who were foreign born) that were alive when the constitution was adopted in 1787). The Vice President of the United States is technically the "President of the Senate" so the eligibility requirements for a Senator applied to him - so Arnold could not run for President, but could run for everything up to Vice President. Steve