Foreign perception of the USA
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You sound a bit bitter, Drew... Are you an Italian porn star, by any chance?
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Andrew Torrance wrote: who was a drug taking body builder You obviously know nothing of Arnold’s body building career. Ever hear of the Arnold classic? Do you want to know why he's a famous body builder in the first place? BECAUSE HE WAS ONE OF THE FIRST BODY BUILDERS TO BUILD MUSCLE NATURALLY! While everyone else was pumping Decca et al, he was pumping iron. I don't know with certainty if he's never taken a roid in his whole life (because I'm not his father/shadow), but he never condoned the use of them publicly. And to judge him like that because he’s a body builder means you have issues, not him! Lemme guess, you're jealous because he gotten more pussy than you can dream of? Yeah, go ahead, deny it. BTW, just because someone's a bad actor (which he is) it doesn't mean he's stupid. I mean, unless you talk to the guy how do you know he's stupid? Jeremy Falcon
erm , yes I had never thought about how many partners Arnie had . It is completely irrelivant . OK , I could not put direct evidence in front of you which would proove he took drugs. Its just that when he had his heart valve operation many surgeons went on record here in the UK saying that the type of damage he had was common in people who had used drugs as part of a body building / weight lifting program . The question I put is how do you think this affects how this changes the perception of the USA in the minds of foriegners. I do not know or care if he is stupid .
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Yes, specially us weapons and us democracy. On the other hand it does metter how much weapons, drugs and porns you can find in any other country. I would say no more than in US, but in most of the countries less than in US.
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A third rate actor , who was a drug taking body builder is elected to high political office. How do you think this affects how the rest of the world views the USA ? Do you care ? Is it any different to Italy electing porn stars ? Space reserved for wit , humour and correct spelling.
.. wait until he's actually been in office for a bit and see how he does, before judging on anything. There have been pro football players, actors, wrestlers, businessmen, and ex-KKK in most every position. Previous career has little to do with ability, and the greater variety we have in that regard the better. It concerns me more that we have so many career politicians.
"The beat goes on.. da-da-dum dadum dum"
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You sound a bit bitter, Drew... Are you an Italian porn star, by any chance?
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Exchanging a walk-on part in the War
for the lead role in a Cage
If only ! Not bitter , just saddened. If he stood as an anti-candidate (none of the above or monster raving loony) I would applaud it . But when people get elected because of their image it diminishes democracy for all of us . To the enemies of the USA , which I am not , it is more grist to the mill. Image over substance and all that .
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I'm not really aware of what happened in California, so what I say is more a feeling than a firm opinion: * it's sad that somebody without a real program can be elected just because of his impact on the media. * it's great that somebody who isn't a professional politician for years can be elected.
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KaЯl wrote: * it's sad that somebody without a real program can be elected just because of his impact on the media. I'd say most politicians don't stick to the platform they were elected on anyway, so what difference has that made in the past. KaЯl wrote: it's great that somebody who isn't a professional politician for years can be elected. Right on, brother! :)
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I care. I live on the east coast of the US and I stayed up till 3:00 AM to watch the election results come in. John
You are excluded from this thread though as you live there! :suss:
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Andrew Torrance wrote: A third rate actor He is one of the most popular actors that america has ever had. John
Popular yes , I like most of his films , but would you really put him in the same acting league as De Niro or Nicholson ? Could he perform on the stage ? Could he astound you with his range like Pacino ?
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.. wait until he's actually been in office for a bit and see how he does, before judging on anything. There have been pro football players, actors, wrestlers, businessmen, and ex-KKK in most every position. Previous career has little to do with ability, and the greater variety we have in that regard the better. It concerns me more that we have so many career politicians.
"The beat goes on.. da-da-dum dadum dum"
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Thank you for a logical considered response.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: You obviously know nothing of Arnold’s body building career. Ever hear of the Arnold classic? Do you want to know why he's a famous body builder in the first place? BECAUSE HE WAS ONE OF THE FIRST BODY BUILDERS TO BUILD MUSCLE NATURALLY! While everyone else was pumping Decca et al, he was pumping iron. I started bodybuilding in 1982, followinf it in 1979. Never took drugs, never had the body or a shot of making a career of it. Not jealous of anyone who has made it through bodybuilder. Arnold took drugs, never outright admitted it but in many magazine interviews through the 90's he alluded to it and refused to deny it. Got the Arnold classic due to his enormous profile from 6 straight and 7 total Olympia titles (plus 5 Universes or there abouts) and the fact he made it big in movies (Remember Cactus Jack? Saw it at the drive ins when I was about 10). On top of that Joe Weider (narcissist and IFBB owner) used his name to make even more money. I like this guy in particular, his statue of himself as modelled by Robby Robinson in his hey day. Personally I couldn't give a fuck who was Governor of California, it doesn't affect me here in Sydney. My only question is, can Arnold make movies and Jesse 'The Body' Ventura wrestle while governors of their respective states? Michael Martin Australia "I suspect I will be impressed though, I am easy." - Paul Watson 21/09/2003
Michael Martin wrote: I started bodybuilding in 1982, followinf it in 1979. I don't care about that, besides it only means you're older than I am. :P Michael Martin wrote: Arnold took drugs, never outright admitted it but in many magazine interviews through the 90's he alluded to it and refused to deny it. Well, even if he did, if doesn't mean he'll be a bad governor. At least give him the credit of not flat-out lying. Michael Martin wrote: Got the Arnold classic I'm not talking about that aspect. I'm talking about that it's a drug free event. Michael Martin wrote: On top of that Joe Weider Joe != Arnold At least your opinions on the matter were formed from an education of the topic. I'm willing to bet the original poster did not do the same. Jeremy Falcon
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erm , yes I had never thought about how many partners Arnie had . It is completely irrelivant . OK , I could not put direct evidence in front of you which would proove he took drugs. Its just that when he had his heart valve operation many surgeons went on record here in the UK saying that the type of damage he had was common in people who had used drugs as part of a body building / weight lifting program . The question I put is how do you think this affects how this changes the perception of the USA in the minds of foriegners. I do not know or care if he is stupid .
I can't prove it, but I bet you any amount of money you looked that up on the Internet, etc. before you replied to this post. Jeremy Falcon
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KaЯl wrote: * it's sad that somebody without a real program can be elected just because of his impact on the media. I'd say most politicians don't stick to the platform they were elected on anyway, so what difference has that made in the past. KaЯl wrote: it's great that somebody who isn't a professional politician for years can be elected. Right on, brother! :)
"The beat goes on.. da-da-dum dadum dum"
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brianwelsch wrote: I'd say most politicians don't stick to the platform they were elected on anyway, so what difference has that made in the past. Because people vote for his face, not for his ideas. I know, I know, I'm so old-fashioned :rolleyes:
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Can you (I still would not say: Are you able to) imagine: A country comes to US and says: Guys, your political system is not good. You do not have enough human rights, your army is too strong armed, you have to do what we say. What would Americans do? Probably they will accept it? No, I think they will not. After that US is bombed. Is it democracy what US offers to the rest of the world? What do you expect to hear from the rest of the world about US?
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brianwelsch wrote: I'd say most politicians don't stick to the platform they were elected on anyway, so what difference has that made in the past. Because people vote for his face, not for his ideas. I know, I know, I'm so old-fashioned :rolleyes:
Silence Means Death Stand On Your Feet Inner Fear Your Worst Enemy
As I just said to my co-worker, most people spend more time picking out a new TV or computer than they do their elected officials. No difference in California yesterday.
"The beat goes on.. da-da-dum dadum dum"
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Can you (I still would not say: Are you able to) imagine: A country comes to US and says: Guys, your political system is not good. You do not have enough human rights, your army is too strong armed, you have to do what we say. What would Americans do? Probably they will accept it? No, I think they will not. After that US is bombed. Is it democracy what US offers to the rest of the world? What do you expect to hear from the rest of the world about US?
The UN came to Iraq and did everything but the bombing and invading. They condemned Iraq, but did nothing to back up the condemnation. The US backed it up. We will do this to anyone that threatens our livelyhood, and so would you.
"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln
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Michael Martin wrote: I started bodybuilding in 1982, followinf it in 1979. I don't care about that, besides it only means you're older than I am. :P Michael Martin wrote: Arnold took drugs, never outright admitted it but in many magazine interviews through the 90's he alluded to it and refused to deny it. Well, even if he did, if doesn't mean he'll be a bad governor. At least give him the credit of not flat-out lying. Michael Martin wrote: Got the Arnold classic I'm not talking about that aspect. I'm talking about that it's a drug free event. Michael Martin wrote: On top of that Joe Weider Joe != Arnold At least your opinions on the matter were formed from an education of the topic. I'm willing to bet the original poster did not do the same. Jeremy Falcon
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As I just said to my co-worker, most people spend more time picking out a new TV or computer than they do their elected officials. No difference in California yesterday.
"The beat goes on.. da-da-dum dadum dum"
BW
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What about my most important question? Can Arnie act and Jesse wrestle while governors of their states? Michael Martin Australia "I suspect I will be impressed though, I am easy." - Paul Watson 21/09/2003
Michael Martin wrote: What about my most important question? :rolleyes: Michael Martin wrote: Can Arnie act and Jesse wrestle while governors of their states? Maybe it's for the best if they don't. :) Jeremy Falcon
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I can't prove it, but I bet you any amount of money you looked that up on the Internet, etc. before you replied to this post. Jeremy Falcon
Get your money out Jeremy old bean . I have an interest in drugs and sport .
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I don't think anyones views of California will change, its still just a bunch of nut jobs. Anyway, if anyone judges the US based one state's govenor there pretty much ignoring the majority of the US, especially when California is regarded as the nut job state. Besides, no one said anything when Ventura was elected. Arnold will probably do a better job than him. btw, no one likes trolls (yes I mean you) and wrong forum Matt Newman
Sonork: 100:11179 "If you're Noah and you're facing the Flood, don't call a lawyer, start building an Ark." - David CunninghamHow about this - To many people in the world , their biggest source of information about the USA is from the media , TV and films .